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| Quote: | MoD worker fell apart after 9/11 attacks, inquest told
By Richard Pain
April 13, 2010
THE 9/11 terrorist attacks in America sparked the mental health decline of a mathematician who was found dead in woodland in Guildford, an inquest has heard.
Mark Mockler disappeared on June 1, 2008. His body was discovered by a dog walker in bushes near the southbound A3 slip road at Burpham 24 days later.
On Monday, an inquest at Surrey Coroner’s Court in Woking heard that Mr Mockler, who was 39, had previously worked for the Ministry of Defence (MoD) in the missile technology department.
His uncle, Anthony Mockler, said his mental health deteriorated after the attacks on New York’s World Trade Center and The Pentagon on September 11, 2001.
“Before that he had always been a bit of a loner,” Anthony Mockler said. “But he came to see us at the family home that Christmas and he was in a very odd state of mind.
“He started going on about how the Jews were responsible for it [the 9/11 attacks].
“I was rather horrified by that particular visit. As far as I recall, he would not stop going on about it.”
Pathologist Robert Chapman said Mr Mockler’s body was so badly decomposed that he could not ascertain the cause of death.
“I think it’s likely he died a short time after he disappeared,” he told the inquest.
"Guarded and anxious"
It was shortly after 9/11 that Mr Mockler became known to mental health workers in Guildford and he was in regular contact with them until his death.
Edith Von Torne, Mr Mockler’s case worker, said he had spent three separate spells as an inpatient at the Farnham Road Hospital in Guildford.
In 2002, he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and depression. Two years later he moved into county council-assisted accommodation in London Road, where he lived right up until he died.
Miss Von Torne said she last saw Mr Mockler on May 15, 2008, when he told her he was feeling better and had voluntarily reduced his medication.
However, she phoned Mr Mockler on May 28 because other members of the mental health team had raised concerns about his well-being while she was on leave the previous week.
“He was increasingly paranoid and ruminating a lot about events of the past,” she told the inquest. “He also sounded quite anxious on the phone.
“I rang him again on [Friday] May 30. He sounded very guarded and anxious on the phone and felt that someone or something was manipulating him.”
Miss Von Torne said she offered Mr Mockler the opportunity to speak to a ‘crisis home treatment support team’ over the weekend but he refused.
She tried to call him the following Monday, June 2, but he did not pick up. The social worker reported Mr Mockler missing to police on June 4 after he had missed an appointment with his psychiatrist the previous day.
It was said Mr Mockler had made an official complaint about a previous psychiatrist because he had not been told that clorazil – an anti-psychotic drug he had been prescribed – would lead to weight gain.
Open verdict
Neil Chisholme, a neighbour of Mr Mockler’s, was the last person to see the former Warwick University graduate alive.
In a written statement, Mr Chisholme told the inquest that Mr Mockler appeared at his front door on Sunday, June 1.
He said his neighbour appeared in an agitated state and the pair walked to Stoke Park and eventually all the way to Send before taking a cab home.
“Mark had become quite suspicious and stand-offish,” Mr Chisholme said.
This was the last time Mr Mockler was seen until his body was found at about 1.30pm on June 25 by Guildford resident Jonathan Poole.
“When I reached the bushes, my attention was drawn to something,” Mr Poole said. “I thought it was a pair of legs with white trainers on the feet.”
Richard Travers, deputy coroner for Surrey, recorded an open verdict.
He said: “There is insufficient evidence for a substantive conclusion explaining how Mr Mockler came to his death.” |
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2069230_mod_worker_fell_apart_after_ 911_attacks_inquest_told |
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| TonyGosling wrote: | | If the meetings of Reinvestigate 9/11 weren't secret this poor chap might have come along and still be alive. |
I've been googling his name and there is nothing on the web about him until his disappearance and death. I would have thought if had gone onto the internet at any time between 2002 and 2008 he would have come across 9/11 sites... it is very strange. Spookily, I regularly used the A3 where his body was found in 2008...  |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: Very strange |
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| Quote: | | His uncle, Anthony Mockler, said his mental health deteriorated after the attacks on New York’s World Trade Center and The Pentagon on September 11, 2001 |
What a curious thing to say. Why would the 911 attacks turn someone mad?
Clearly, the uncle thought he was mad because he was taking conspiracy theories seriously. Might it be that his uncle is involved in the military?
But, I think that the public (as opposed to the media and politicians) are no longer prepared to argue that a person is clinically mad for exploring conspiracy theories as they were in the past. Which makes his death stranger. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Very strange |
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| insidejob wrote: | | Quote: | | His uncle, Anthony Mockler, said his mental health deteriorated after the attacks on New York’s World Trade Center and The Pentagon on September 11, 2001 |
What a curious thing to say. Why would the 911 attacks turn someone mad?
Clearly, the uncle thought he was mad because he was taking conspiracy theories seriously. Might it be that his uncle is involved in the military?
But, I think that the public (as opposed to the media and politicians) are no longer prepared to argue that a person is clinically mad for exploring conspiracy theories as they were in the past. Which makes his death stranger. |
There is always the suggestion of paranoia when you say "they are out to get me" - and investigating 9/11 is can make depressed people even more depressed unfortunately... especially with the amount of disbelief from mind-shackled folk. |
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I knew Mark Mockler but not as well as a good friend of mine. Here is some further information which has not been made publicly available before.
(1) Mark came into work at GCHQ, UK, on the morning of 9/11/01 and was immediately struck by the atmosphere with everyone huddled around monitors and an air of expectation. It was clear to Mark that there was prior knowledge of the attack that had yet to take place. This is what unhinged Mark and lead to his subsequent diagnosis and mental decline. Mark was a perfectly rationale and intelligent man.
(2) There was an additional article published by his local paper the Surrey Advertiser at the time of his inquest that was kept offline. In it the police admit to having "lost" the notebook which was found besides Marks body. Reasons given were that they had a general clear out and that the policewoman responsible for Marks case was on maternity leave.
Mental health care in Guildford remains very poor with little interest in the person or problem but instead a total reliance on medication from usually uninformed diagnosis made by overpaid psychiatrists with their own private consultancies and protected by a paranoid management protecting their own interests. Mark is one of many I know who have been failed (ie dead) by the mental health services but one of the few who held a real and important truth. GCHQ knew beforehand of the 9 11 attacks. |
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| Betamax wrote: | I knew Mark Mockler but not as well as a good friend of mine. Here is some further information which has not been made publicly available before.
(1) Mark came into work at GCHQ, UK, on the morning of 9/11/01 and was immediately struck by the atmosphere with everyone huddled around monitors and an air of expectation. It was clear to Mark that there was prior knowledge of the attack that had yet to take place. This is what unhinged Mark and lead to his subsequent diagnosis and mental decline. Mark was a perfectly rationale and intelligent man.
(2) There was an additional article published by his local paper the Surrey Advertiser at the time of his inquest that was kept offline. In it the police admit to having "lost" the notebook which was found besides Marks body. Reasons given were that they had a general clear out and that the policewoman responsible for Marks case was on maternity leave.
Mental health care in Guildford remains very poor with little interest in the person or problem but instead a total reliance on medication from usually uninformed diagnosis made by overpaid psychiatrists with their own private consultancies and protected by a paranoid management protecting their own interests. Mark is one of many I know who have been failed (ie dead) by the mental health services but one of the few who held a real and important truth. GCHQ knew beforehand of the 9 11 attacks. |
Hi Betamax,
Thanks for the information.
I've always maintained that Tony Blair knew the timing of 9/11 - hence why he timed his TUC speech, a task that he always hated and was expected to get a hard time, for the afternoon of Tuesday Sept 11th.
The fact that GCHQ knew as well confirms this suspicion.
So Mark Mockler worked for GCHQ or was just visiting on that day? Did you get this information directly from him or via your mutual friend? Can you confirm Mark's mental state? Was he suicidal or suicided, do you think? |
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Mark worked for DERA the MoD Defence Agency which was privatised and became https://www.qinetiq.com/about-us/our-history/Pages/default.aspx At the time of 9 11 Mark was on secondment working at GHCQ.
Mark was extremely private and although I knew him all my information comes from my mutual friend who is equally private but with whom Mark confided.
The feeling is that in all likelihood Mark crossed the main road walked down to the corner of the field lay down with his precious notebook by his side and died of exposure. ie suicide during a period of despair.
The Surrey Advertiser published 3 articles on Mark's death but only two went into the online edition and as previously mentioned the third article included details on the police losing Mark's notebook. So I would be inclined to believe that there was a coverup of the contents in Mark's notebook which may have provided further evidence on GCHQ knowing before it happened.
I haven't yet cross referenced other sources regarding GCHQ's prior knowledge |
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| conspiracy analyst wrote: | | Wrong |
Can you be a little more expansive? |
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Yes, how and why wrong?
| scienceplease 2 wrote: | | conspiracy analyst wrote: | | Wrong |
Can you be a little more expansive? |
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| Whitehall_Bin_Men wrote: | Yes, how and why wrong?
| scienceplease 2 wrote: | | conspiracy analyst wrote: | | Wrong |
Can you be a little more expansive? |
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Betamax is a new poster and has written many sentences and it appears that you find something "wrong". Wrong with what has been written or that the official story is wrong (that would be my take from your post). But it is ambiguous. |
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