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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:48 am Post subject: NY car bomb Times Square plot 'not al-Qaeda'
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There is no evidence the failed attempt to detonate a car bomb in New York was the work of al-Qaeda or any other big terrorist group, the city's mayor says.
Michael Bloomberg spoke after police dismissed claims by a Pakistani Taliban group that it was responsible.
Although details remain unclear, one possibility being investigated by police is that the bomb was placed near the New York headquarters of South Park's owners, Viacom, by angry Islamists in revenge for the cartoon series' irreverent treatment of their prophet Mohammed.
Yep, we mustn't leave any stone unturned...
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"South Park – We'd stand beside you if we weren't so scared." Bart Simpson's words – scrawled on the blackboard in the opening credits of last Sunday's The Simpsons – are looking mightily prophetic in the light of yesterday's huge, failed car bomb in Times Square.
Have they questioned er Stan, Kyle and Cartman? And more importantly - DID THEY KILL KENNY?
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:12 pm Post subject:
* Mayor Bloomberg has said there is no evidence/forensic link to the Taliban
* Pakistan security officials have dismissed the claim on a 'Taliban' website that the attack was the work of the Taliban
Car Bomb In New York City's Times Square Contained Nonexplosive Fertiliser!!!!
..........Police said the gasoline-and-propane bomb was crude but could have sprayed shrapnel and metal parts with enough force to kill pedestrians and knock out windows on one of America's busiest streets, full of Broadway theaters and restaurants on a Saturday night.
Top police spokesman Paul Browne says more than 100 pounds of a substance found in the back of the SUV was fertilizer.
But unlike the ammonium nitrate grade fertilizer that has been used in terror attacks including the Oklahoma City bombing, Browne says this fertilizer would not have caused a massive explosion.
The homemade bomb was made largely with ordinary items, including three barbecue grill-size propane tanks, two 5-gallon gasoline containers, store-bought fireworks and cheap alarm clocks attached to wires.
"The intent of whoever did this to cause mayhem, create casualties," Kelly said.
New York police and FBI agents are going store to store in Manhattan rounding up security tapes that may hold clues, reports CBS News correspondent Bob Orr.
Because the device did not explode and the car was not destroyed, police have a wealth of forensic evidence. And investigators are using motor vehicle logs and toll booth records to track both the car's ownership history and recent movements, Orr reports.
these people on the radio arguing it was a nutter not the taliban
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I heard some US government spokesperson blaming the internet for supplying the info/technology to the alleged NY car bomber, how long before swinging censorship is exacted on the only media to discuss 911 objectively?
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 11:15 pm Post subject:
I would imagine Times Square is heavily covered by CCTV. Maybe they werent working when the driver of the car drove there, parked. and walked away.
US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan need something to keep the morale going. _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
Watching the BBC News with Bloomberg looking somewhat sheepish...in the spirit of David Icke...Bloomberg serving his reptilian hybrid masters with insider knowledge of this continued so-called 'war on terrorism' is just predictable now. _________________ "The likelihood of one individual being right increases in direct proportion to the intensity to which others are trying to prove him[her] wrong."
- - Harry Segall
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." Lenin 1917
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:05 pm Post subject:
Gordon Duff: Times Square “Fizzler,” Israel’s “Crotch Bomber Redux
May 5, 2010 posted by Gordon Duff · 186 Comments
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GOP and FOX NEWS Campaign Continues to Stamp Israeli Brand On Time Square Bomber
By Gordon Duff | STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor
Times Square Bomber Faisal ShahzadWatching the news on the arrest of the Time Square bomber, or as we will call him, “the Time Square Fizzler,” and the flood of political attacks on the president and news reports condemning Pakistan and Islam make it all clear as a bell. The ‘highly trained’ terrorist, supposedly schooled in explosives and ’secret agent stuff’ is another patsy.
Think “Mumbai” and the recent trial. All our suspect could say, over and over, knowing he is doomed is that he was ’set up.’
With the Pakistan Taliban the biggest security risk for the only Islamic nuclear power, they became extremely attractive to India and Israel some time ago. Noting that India has been given free rein to run intelligence operations on the Pakistani border, they and their good friends in Israel, have flooded the region with “helpers” busy recruiting, training and supporting attacks, primarily on Pakistan.
Some time ago, it was warned that these Indian and Israeli trained groups that the US had knowingly allowed, and admitted to, would be used against the United States. Welcome to that world.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:23 am Post subject:
Pak being “set up” but civil-mly leadership remains silent
By Shireen M Mazari Submitted 2 days 21 hrs ago
http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/ print/Politics/09-May-2010/Pak-being-set-up-but-civilmly-leadership-re mains-silent
Hillary Clinton has once again come into her own true self and issued a direct threat to Pakistan of “severe consequences” if the ‘terror attack’ of Times Square New York City had been successful and found to have definitively originated in Pakistan. It brings to mind an earlier moment when Hillary, during the course of her unsuccessful bid for the Democratic presidential nomination, had responded to a question on whether she would use tactical nuclear weapons against Pakistan in the context of a terror attack linked to Pakistan and she unhesitatingly declared “Yes”! She was also right up there with Bush on the question of the Iraq war until she realised how unpopular it was becoming within her own country. So she is very much in the same mould as Condi Rice!
However, her latest threat has established without an iota of doubt the larger US game plan for Pakistan, and the issue is not what the US plans to do so much as what our leadership is doing or not doing to protect itself from this increasingly threatening US agenda. But first some serious questions that our leadership and our normally verbose Ambassador to Washington should have raised in the immediate aftermath of the Faisal Shahzad episode, which is beginning to look more and more like a deliberately created incident to suck Pakistan into not only doing the US bidding vis a vis North Waziristan but also to provide a scenario which would allow more US forces into the country and move the US further into forcibly taking control of our nuclear assets.
Liz Cheney, daughter of former Vice President Cheney and founder of the Keep America Safe PAC, claimed on Fox News last night that holding terrorism trials in New York "endangers the United States" and brings the country "back to a pre-9/11 mentality" . . . .
She also hinted that civilian trials would lead to more terrorist attacks.
New York Times, today:
Not one, not two, but three terrorism cases weaved their way simultaneously this week through the federal courthouse in Lower Manhattan. . . .
The courthouse, on Pearl Street off Foley Square, has become "the cineplex of terrorism trials," said Karen J. Greenberg, executive director of the Center on Law and Security at New York University. Her words may have been mildly flippant, but her point could not have been more serious.
Here we have all these cases unfolding in the civic heart of New York -- people accused or convicted of loathsome deeds involving mass murder, whether planned or carried out. Not only have the proceedings been handled within the rule of law, but also New Yorkers went about their business without so much as a raised eyebrow.
The normality speaks volumes.
What's most striking is how we collectively never learn lessons. These are the same people who ran around screaming for two years that we had to attack Iraq or else Saddam would get us all with his mad chemical scientists (Dr. Anthrax and Mrs. Germ) and nuclear clouds, yet they are still listened to whenever they unleash their newest Scary Villains. Fear is a potent weapon.
Speaking of fear-mongering, The Guardian today has an article with this headline: "Barack Obama accused of exaggerating terror threat for political gain." It quotes numerous Pakistani and European officials as arguing that the Obama administration's travel advisory this week for Europe -- and its accompanying claim about ongoing plots aimed at Germany and France -- "was politically motivated and not based on credible new information." In particular, these sources asserted that the alert "was an attempt to justify a recent escalation in US drone and helicopter attacks inside Pakistan"; was influenced by the imminent elections; and, most of all, that "President Obama was reacting to pressure to demonstrate that his Afghan war strategy and this year's troop surge, which are unpopular with the American public, were necessary."
I wasn't particularly impressed with the reporting here: Pakistani officials always downplay the Terrorism threat coming from their country and the European officials cited in this article are largely (though not exclusively) anonymous. But then I saw this Associated Press article this morning:
NATO: terror threat in Europe justifies Afghan war
An al-Qaida-linked plot that triggered this week's U.S. terror alert for Europe underlines the need for the war in Afghanistan, a top NATO commander argued Friday.
U.S. Adm. James Stavridis, NATO's top commander in Europe, said terrorists using Afghanistan as a base are still trying to target Europe and that this threat justifies a war that has grown unpopular in many places.
This doesn't at all prove that the terror alert was designed to justify the war by spreading fear, but military officials wasted no time seizing on the alert for that purpose. That is essentially how America is governed: constantly ensure that Americans are petrified of an always-changing, always-expanding cast of Horribles so that they submit to whatever policies -- wars -- are alleged to be devoted to eradicating those threats. There isn't much attention paid to what happens to a citizenry that is kept in a constant state of increasing fear, but there should be, because the way that degrades a nation's character can't be overstated.
UPDATE: Several important items relating to these issues:
(1) Here's an excellent 2-minute video of what is actually happening in New York as Terrorist trials proceed, in contrast to the swamp of fear-mongering to which we have been relentlessly subjected (h/t Daphne Eviatar):
(2) As I indicated, the media led the way in War on Terror fear-mongering with articles like the one from CNN linked above, touting the scary Iraqis Villains "Dr. Germ and Mrs. Anthrax." But perhaps the nadir of that fear-mongering was the media's fixation on the Most Wanted Iraqis deck of playing cards, which they touted endlessly. Today, Marc Lynch pointed me to something amazing that I had never seen before: watch this YouTube video from an Al Jazeera documentary on the media's coverage of the Iraq War, beginning at the 4:50 mark, as the U.S. military introduces the playing deck and media figures become instantly desperate to get their own copies and then dutifully march forward to promote them. It's really quite something.
(3) ProPublica's Dafna Linzer has a very worthwhile exposé on one of the detainees the Obama administration is attempting to indefinitely imprison without any charges (no trial or even military commission). Using inadvertently disclosed information, she compellingly documents how dubious the case against him is.
(4) Chris Floyd has an important essay on several complex issues, including some discussed here. Without endorsing all of it, I highly recommend it.
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