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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:40 am    Post subject: Putin Obama = Molotov Ribbentrop Is Attack on Iran on Cards? Reply with quote

The 'crash' of the Polish airplane appears to be a joint venture between the US and Russia.

Who actually downed it isn't the issue, the cover up seems to be a joint venture though.

Putin has been seen embracing Kaczinskis brother and Russia has had a good press from the western media as of late.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7095406.ece# cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093

Ukraine is back firmly in their hands, Georgia will soon join them as well and then the green light will be given for the long awaited attack on Iran.

47 countries meeting in Washington for nuclear war (they call it disarmament-'peace in our time' Chamberlaine) may be the operation to see how they will react to a nuclear attack on iran or north korea.

The big powers are doing deals behind the scenes and the peoples of the world will have to pay for it.

http://themoderatevoice.com/69144/russia-and-america-call-for-universa l-nuclear-disarmament-kommersant-russia/

The fact that the Poles were against Lisbon wasn't enough to credit them with being against the NWO when they had such a significant contigents both in Iraq and Afghanistans.

Obamas window of opportunity against Iran is limited to this summer at the latest if not earlier. When Iraq was attacked Israel kept quiet. Now they state they will attack them if the US doesn't.

Both Iran and North Korea weren't invited to the summit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1265332/Barack-Obama -tells-nuclear-summit-terrorists-greatest-threat.html

A possible false flag attack on US soil which then is blamed on terrorists gives the green light to attack both Iran and North Korea...

Iran condemns the USA's threat of using nuclear weapons as state terrorism
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=123170&sectionid=351020101
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Two things have changed which may show that Russia is now fully on board of Obamas NWO, until he turns on them...

Russia plans to sell arms to NATO members
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100128/157703757.html

The above could only have been agreed by conditions lifted by the USA.

This is how the situation was two years ago in the war in Georgia...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1043185/The-Pipeline -War-Russian-bear-goes-Wests-jugular.html

The Nord Stream pipeline has had the go ahead and construction has started this month...
http://www.ogj.com/index/article-display/3541744532/articles/oil-gas-j ournal/transportation-2/pipelines/construction/2010/04/nord-stream_gas _pipeline.html

The Georgian opposition has threatened a Kyrgistan style revolution against Shaakasvili. If he is toppled that might be the seal on the agreement and then the green light for the possible attack on Iran...
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White House drifting apart from official Tbilisi

2010-04-13 00:44

At the invitation of his American colleague, President of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili is going to take part in the nuclear safety summit that is going to be held in Washington on April 12-13. The official Tbilisi rejoiced some time ago, asserting that the White House was consistently implementing the line of the former President Georgia Bush who called Georgia "the lighthouse of democracy" and was lavish at supporting the young revolutionists. However, it became known today that the long-awaited meeting of Barack Obama and Mikhail Saakashvili in Washington is never going to take place. Does it mean that the forecasts of some of the Georgian experts talking about the White House's growing indifference to the unpredictable Georgian leader start coming true?
For several months running, the Georgian authorities have been repeating the same words like a mantra: the USA are still supporting democracy in Georgia and the Russian-American "reload" does not concern Georgia at all. Indeed, the latest events confirmed to some extent that nothing threatens the friendship of the USA and the small Georgia. At least, Washington has more than once stated its loyalty to Georgia's territorial integrity and scolded Moscow for its position in respect of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Only the experts were still alert, underlining that things are not that smooth in the "Georgian-American kingdom"; they said that the new president would not support Mikhail Saakashvili as vehemently as his predecessor did, in the context of the "reload" between Moscow and Washington. The official authorities took such forecasts as an unfortunate joke. Anyway, the recent conversation between Mikhail Saakashvili and Barack Obama caused true euphoria.
Newspapers, TV channels and informational agencies were reporting all together that the US president rated the reforms in Georgia high. As was underlined by Press Speaker of the head of Georgia Manana Mandzhgaladze at the special press-conference, this was stated by Obama in the course of his telephone conversation with President of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili. "The US president highly estimated the current reforms and expressed his satisfaction", - Mandzhgaladze said. At the same time, she pointed at the fact that in the course of the conversation, Obama said that Washington is going to take every effort to make Georgia a successful country. Mandzhgaladze also underlined that in the opinion of the US president, no one is able to isolate Georgia, so long as it is supported by both the international community and the United States. The expert community supporting the authorities saw important messages in the telephone talk of the two presidents.
"The first point is that the conversation took place and the second is that is became known to the general public. As we can see, Barack Obama wanted to make it clear to Russia that America keeps cooperating with Georgia and that the "reload" of the Russian-American relationship is not carried on at the expense of our country", - expert Gia Nodia stated to the journalists. Expert Soso Tsintsadze called the telephone conversation between the presidents of Georgia and the USA "a cool shower" for some of the political forces. As the expert told the journalists, the conversation became a cool shower for certain powers in Georgia, especially for Russia, which has already buried the Georgian-American relationship. In this optimistic chorus, one can single out the voice of another expert Gia Khukhashvili, who underlined skeptically that a five-minute telephone talk is an inadequate price for sending 750 soldiers to Afghanistan.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Aircrash could be seen as an act of defiance from the Russians.
If they also have been grooming Poles in Office it could be a Russian Window into NATO strategy. A coup if you will?

You are right though, the Western Media are covering this up, but maybe the payback would be 9/11 disclosure? Hmm do we need to stock up on Gas Masks? Duck and Cover?

If the Agenda is depopulation. and has always been thus re WW1 and 2, then this has always been a War fought by the rich to eliminate the poor!

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Barak: “The Only Way out of Iran Crises is a Bold Israeli Move”

Al-Manar TV – 19/04/2010

Israel Defense Minister Ehud Barak told Israel Radio on Monday that the only way out of the current “stalemate” with Iran is a bold Israeli move, adding that he felt that Iran did not pose an “immediate existential threat” to Israel.

Barak also responded to remarks by Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. military’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, who said Sunday that the military options available to Barack Obama would go “a long way” to delaying Iran’s nuclear progress but may not set the country back long-term. He called a military strike his “last option” right now.

Barak told Israel Radio that the time has come for sanctions with a specific deadline “in order to facilitate what Mullen’s remarks imply.”

“I prefer to refrain from speculation about the future,” Barak added. “Right now, Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel. If Iran becomes nuclear, it will spark an arms race in the Middle East. This region is very sensitive because of the oil flow, the region is important to the entire world. The fact that Iran is not an immediate threat, but could evolve into one, means that we can’t let ourselves fall asleep.”

On Sunday, U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, releasing a statement about a secret memorandum he sent to the White House in January, said he identified “next steps in our defense planning process” that would be reviewed by decision makers in the coming weeks and months.

“There should be no confusion by our allies and adversaries that the United States is properly and energetically focused on this question and prepared to act across a broad range of contingencies in support of our interests,” Gates said in the statement, issued to refute characterizations of the memo in a New York Times report.
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The air crash has increased mistrust between the Polish and Russian elites. Halting a rapprochment.
So, if this was anything other than a real accident, it's unlikely to be Vlad is it?
Much more likely the NATO/Israeli criminal gangs in this part of the world.

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TonyGosling wrote:
The air crash has increased mistrust between the Polish and Russian elites. Halting a rapprochment.
So, if this was anything other than a real accident, it's unlikely to be Vlad is it?
Much more likely the NATO/Israeli criminal gangs in this part of the world.



I read this today. Highlighted points by me. Taking into account that he is running US foreign policy it is illuminating what he states. So reading between the lines, the Americans have enforced change on Poland in this fashion thus recreating the old well trodden path of Hitler. I believe Georgia will fall next. Then war will be on the cards with Iran, if it doesn't happen sooner...

From Poland's Tragedy, Hope for Better Ties with Russia
By Zbigniew Brzezinski Thursday, Apr. 15, 2010



For decades the word Katyn, for the Poles, has stood for an unspeakable crime as well as tragedy. Henceforth, it will stand also for an additional national disaster — but perhaps also for hope.

In the past, Katyn signified mass murder committed in 1940 in a forest just west of the Russian town of Smolensk by troops of the Soviet Union, who killed defenseless Polish prisoners of war. The victims of the atrocity accounted for much of Poland's military as well as intellectual elite. The second Katyn tragedy — the April 10 crash on the approach to Smolensk airport of a plane carrying dignitaries to a ceremony commemorating that very 1940 massacre — led to the death of nearly 100 of the top political personalities of a newly independent, and once again democratic, Poland. Those who died on this modern pilgrimage of peace included Poland's President, Lech Kaczynski. (See pictures of Poland's days of mourning.)

And yet it is possible that future historians will see in these combined events — and especially in the consequence of the second one — the beginning of a truly significant turning point in Polish-Russian relations. Should that come to pass, it would represent a geopolitical change in Europe of genuinely historic proportions. (Read more about the Polish-Russian relations.)

A few days before the second tragedy, the Polish Prime Minister, Donald Tusk, and the Russian Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, met to formalize a protracted process of painful accommodation regarding the Katyn crime. What happened in the forest 70 years ago was for many years a forbidden fact of life in Polish society. From the end of World War II to 1989, Poland was politically subservient to the Soviet Union. Even the closest relatives of those who perished at Katyn were not allowed to talk about it. People who claimed that their fathers or grandfathers had died on a certain date in 1940 were often viewed with suspicion; it was thought that they might be aware of who the killers really were. It was not until the era of Boris Yeltsin, President of Russia from 1991 to 1999, that a serious process to acknowledge what had happened in the past was initiated.

When Tusk and Putin met on April 7, the goal of the two men was a formal and comprehensive reconciliation of their nations. Putin spoke at that event and spoke well. But he still spoke more as a statesman doing what was needed; somehow, he did not really connect, in a human sense, with the Poles. By contrast, within hours of the fatal plane crash outside Smolensk three days later, Putin himself was on the spot in Katyn, reaching out to the Poles in a spontaneously warm and compassionate fashion. That all of a sudden infused human feelings into an issue that had divided the two peoples. (See TIME's Poland covers.)

It is difficult to tell what the long-term reactions in Poland will be to what has so recently transpired. Poland is still mourning its dead; it is possible that conspiracy theories could yet surface. But I feel confident that the gestures of the past few days will unleash a degree of reciprocal human warmth from the Poles and the Russians. There is a chance that together they will initiate a new era in the historically troubled relationship between their two nations.

Should that happen, the map of central Europe would be transformed.
A Russian-Polish reconciliation is impossible to imagine without it leading also to greater security for others who live in proximity to Russia, whether they be Estonians or Ukrainians or perhaps even Georgians, who fought a brief war with Russia in 2008. One should not overestimate the consequences of a change in mood, but ultimately human affairs are shaped by human beings. The sensitivity with which Russian leaders have handled the tragedy, coupled with the determination of Poland's leaders to face the future without recrimination, augur well for what is to come. (See the top 10 news stories of 2009.)

If my hopeful perspective comes to pass, the evolving reconciliation between the Poles and the Russians will be another milestone in the process of a larger European accommodation. It is only in recent years that a genuine and socially far-reaching reconciliation between Poland and Germany — bitter enemies in World War II — took place. And it is only a matter of decades since something similar happened between the Germans and the French. A Europe in which old enmities like that between Russia and Poland have been put aside will in turn make the relationship of the U.S. with Russia easier.

In brief, maybe someday there will be a memorial in Katyn to all its victims: the earlier ones, whose death and suffering in 1940 was ignored for so long and even lied about, and the more recent ones, who perished on a mission of peace in 2010. If so, Katyn will have at last earned a more hopeful place in Europe's collective memory.

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Is this how the false flag attack will start?

Georgia confirms highly enriched uranium seizure

Desmond Butler, Associated Press Writer – Thu Apr 22, 7:09 am ET
NEW YORK – Georgia's president said his country had seized a shipment of highly enriched uranium, blaming Russia for creating the instability that allows nuclear smugglers to operate in the region.

Russia dismissed the claims Thursday and said Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili's comments were "unsubstantiated" and amounted to propaganda.

Saakashvili gave few details of the seizure during an interview Wednesday with The Associated Press, saying only that the uranium was intercepted last month coming into his country in the Caucasus region of southeast Europe.

The Georgian Interior Ministry said a group of foreign nationals had been detained, and the uranium was in a secure location.

The head of Georgia's nuclear safety agency, Zaal Lomatadze, told AP Television News in Tbilisi that the "organized group of people tried to smuggle in a small amount of enriched uranium with the purpose of selling it to a would-be buyer."

He said Georgia had registered such smuggling "attempts" involving Russian citizens as well as people from the breakaway Georgian territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. "What will happen in the future of course is hard to say ... but we know it could be a potential problem," he said. Georgia borders Russia to the south, with all but one border crossing going through the breakaway regions.

Russia's Foreign Ministry rejected the Georgian claims outright.

"It's not serious to make such unsubstantiated statements," ministry spokesman Igor Lyakin-Frolov told The Associated Press in Moscow. "(Saakashvili) must be fully honest in saying where and when it happened, instead of using it for political purposes and propaganda."

Saakashvili's government no longer controls the regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which declared independence after the 2008 Russia-Georgia war, and the president said the smuggling is evidence of a security black hole in the area.

Such seizures have come "mostly from the direction of Russia," Saakashvili said.

The two countries have had tense relations for years, with their leaders routinely trading barbs.

During the brief August 2008 war, Russia destroyed much of Georgia's military infrastructure and occupied the two territories. Georgia has protested fiercely, claiming that Russia is trying to annex the regions.

Only Venezuela, Nicaragua and the South Pacific island nation of Nauru have followed Russia's example and recognized both regions as independent states, while the rest of the world considers them part of Georgia.

Russia has since taken steps to establish long term military bases close to the territories' borders with Georgia proper, and Saakashvili said it has been building up its artillery there, posing a menacing threat to Georgia. In the interview, Saakashvili appealed for more western support, saying western involvement in the region is his country's best defense.

"We are not asking for an American troop presence," he said. "We are asking for an American political, economic and security presence."

South Ossetia's border is a mere 30 miles (48 kilometers) from Georgia's capital, Tbilisi.

News of the uranium seizure emerged during last week's nuclear security summit in Washington, which was hosted by President Barack Obama and that Saakashvili attended. It was first reported by Britain's The Guardian newspaper.

Obama has pointed to Russian cooperation as essential to his goal of securing all of the world's nuclear materials within four years. At the summit, Russia and the U.S. signed a deal to dispose of tons of weapons-grade plutonium.

But Saakashvili said Wednesday that under Russian control, Georgia's two breakaway regions have become havens for nuclear smugglers.

"If you are legally in occupation then you are responsible for controlling proliferation," he said.

He pointed to a 2006 sting stemming from an investigation in South Ossetia as evidence of the smuggling problem in the breakaway republics. In that instance, Georgian authorities arrested four people accused of trying to sell a small quantity of highly enriched uranium.

Saakashvili also said that Russia's military buildup in the breakaway regions are a threat to his country's security, noting that Russia has "not only the ability, but the intention to depose our government."

"Russia is involved in geopolitical games all around us," he added. "Vladimir Putin has never given up on the threat to restore some sort of Soviet Union."

In one incident in July that was never disclosed, Saakashvili said, a Russian commander upset over an officer's defection from the breakaway territories to Georgia ordered Russian tanks 10 miles (16 kilometers) into Georgia proper. He said that there have been at least three defections of Russian officers to Georgia since the war.

Saakashvili said U.S.-Georgian relations have not suffered from the Obama administration's efforts to improve relations with Russia. He said he has been pleased by the administration's public support of Georgian sovereignty and steps to boost economic cooperation and trade.

Saakashvili warned that Georgia is a test case for whether former Soviet countries can assert their independence from Russia and integrate with the West. He said that Georgia was still looking toward NATO membership, despite the apparent reluctance of many member countries to expand the security alliance toward Russia.

"The international situation in this region cannot be static," he said. "Either the West will expand eastward or hard-liners in Moscow will expand westward."

Saakashvili added that he thinks that Russia is currently too tied down with its own internal problems including unrest in the North Caucasus to make a move militarily against Georgia.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was Putin on history over the last few years.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2163481.ece

Orlando Figes a British historian was part of the new american cold war against Russia.

Amazon has exposed him and he will soon be forced to resign

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How I rumbled the lying professor: The story behind the discredited don who rubbished rivals on Amazon...then left his own wife to take the blame

By Rachel Polonsky
Last updated at 2:20 AM on 25th April 2010

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Why are pro-american historians being rumbled by amazon?

Part of the deal between Russia and the USA?
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No,
Bizarrely Amazon editors are pretty switched on.
The internet book people seem to be on the side of Truth.
Even though they treat their workers very badly, that is another department.

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How did Amazon release details of the e-mail accounts?
I presume the right to privacy does not exist for these issues?

It could be an argument over libel or promotion of both historians or even a storm in a teacup. But coming on the backs of the Polish events, Brezinskis statements it seems too close to not be related.


Robert Service on Orlando Figes
http://worldbbnews.com/2010/04/23/the-shame-of-orlando-figes-robert-se rvice/

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Orlando Figes’ folly shows why we need libel law reform
Martin Bentham, Home Affairs Editor Martin Bentham, Home Affairs Editor
27.04.10


To be described as “contaminant slime” and publicly exposed as a liar is not the ideal method of making your mark in history. Nor, it would seem, is acting in a way that allows one's name to be mentioned alongside Jeffrey Archer, Jonathan Aitken and Robert Maxwell.

But after joining the ranks of the most notorious abusers of Britain's libel laws, Orlando Figes might yet achieve a positive place in posterity. The reason, regrettably for the Birkbeck College professor, might not be the undoubted brilliance of his award-winning books on Russia. Instead, it is the blizzard of menacing legal threats which he issued to his critics during his recent dispute, which ended with him admitting penning a series of anonymous reviews rubbishing the work of his rivals. His behaviour has highlighted, perhaps more vividly than ever, the need for libel reform in this country.

The saga began when writer Rachel Polonsky received a drubbing on Amazon for her new book from an anonymous reviewer named “historian”. Polonsky discovered that the same reviewer had rubbished the books of fellow Soviet expert Professor Robert Service, while lavishing praise on Figes's work.

When she also found that these reviews could all be traced back to a user nicknamed “orlando-birkbeck”, Service wrote to fellow academics suggesting that Figes might be the author.
Figes's response was to send legal letters to Service and others who had become involved, threatening libel action and demanding damages.

Only now, after first blaming his wife for penning the reviews, has Figes admitted being the author, blaming “health problems” for what he now says were his “stupid” and “foolish errors”.

For outsiders the spat has provided great entertainment. But it's more serious than that. As a recent report by Lord Justice Jackson revealed, many people facing libel action choose to settle without fighting the case because of the way legal bills can spiral by up to four times the actual cost in the event of defeat.

The judge proposed overhauling “no win no fee” arrangements, which have dramatically driven up the fees of libel lawyers and the costs faced by those defending themselves against them.

Science writer Simon Singh spent two years and £200,000 fighting a libel action after expressing doubts about the effectiveness of chiropractic treatments: the case was finally dismissed earlier this month.

Robert Service has described how the prospect of libel action from Figes and the potentially vast costs attached had inflicted days of “hell” upon himself and his wife.

He has also revealed how he came close to “caving in” because he lacked Figes's wealth. Quite correctly, he warned how “if someone is wealthy and malicious enough it is possible to tread on the throat” of free speech in this country.

On the back of his latest book on life under Stalin, Figes describes “a world where everyone was afraid to talk” because of oppression.

It's a sad irony that his own actions were intended to achieve the same effect. But while Figes must live with the shame of his lies, his behaviour proves once again the perverse workings of our libel laws.
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Israelis Are Not Jews and American Leaders Are Not Christian


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The two paper-thin lies the 21st Century fascists use to
promote unlawful war is that Iran threatens to destroy Israel and Iran
has a nuclear weapons program. Both are quickly proven as lies.
http://dailycensored.com/2010/05/05/us-uk-france-italy-walk-out-of-un- nuclear-conference-in-war-propaganda-theatrics-to-attack-iran/

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IRAN - Beware of False Flag

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Scott Ritter - Dealing with Iran

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