Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:52 pm Post subject:
outsider wrote:
'Iranian aid ships going to Gaza escorted by warships':
NOT a very bright idea!!
And one full of Iranian volunteer relief workers. Dont think I would like to be on board that one without a life jacket
This is waving a red flag at a bull. More about politics than sending aid
Biblical prophecy from several thousand years ago
“I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.” (Zechariah 12:2-3) _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
'Iranian aid ships going to Gaza escorted by warships':
NOT a very bright idea!!
A Bilderberg majority ok an attack on Iran, and immediately the Ahmadinejad regime is sending Iranian warships into Gaza
The flotilla attack looked like a trigger for WWIII, and Turkey and Iran seem up for it. The coming attack on Iranian nuclear facilities will be very serious
No need for a false flag to carry out the attack - fallout plumes spreading over the middle east and asia - just a conflict on the high seas _________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
A eastern European friend believes they smuggled arms, his logic is no one does anything for nothing, almost can't argue with that imo, but we all know its a political message saying the Arabs have had enough!
I recommend the The Hitler Speech They Don't Want You To Hear in the Media section.
Very telling of complicity to spread the war, and in line with Eugenicists as back then and today. Gotta be a whole lot easier and profitable to wage war than simply spend millions on vaccines/chemtrails and all the other fearmongering thats going on! _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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'Iranian aid ships going to Gaza escorted by warships':
NOT a very bright idea!!
Sure fire sign that the Arab nations are ready for any outcome (if its true and not propaganda) They do seem to be rallying behind one another! Even Kuwait has got in on the action.
Stupid I think not, remember Israel will have to strike 1st?
Same if Erdogan was to accompany any future efforts from Turkey.
Its a very good time for all Arab nations to torment the Rabid Beast. Shame for the innocents in all this. This really is the world elite cueing up for a cull of the masses imo!
In fact I saw a recent article stating I'm In A Dinnerjacket calling for NWO? _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
A short primer on Israeli propaganda for media dummies*
By Stuart Littlewood
9 June 2010
Stuart Littlewood deconstructs the Israeli propaganda that has been flooding the airwaves following Israel’s murder of humanitarian activists aboard the Gaza-bound international aid flotilla, most notably from the orifice of the Israeli prime minister’s spokesman, Australian-born Mark Regev, and debunks the propaganda manual used by Israeli officials and stooges to hoodwink Westerners.
What were Israel’s excuses for hijacking the Free Gaza ships in international waters and imprisoning their passengers after gunning down nine of them and wounding several more?
There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and
Israel already allows sufficient humanitarian aid into Gaza so the flotilla was “an armada of hate and violence", said Israel’s deputy foreign minister.
But according to John Ging, United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) director of operations in Gaza, “It’s a struggle to survive [with] the infrastructure and water and sanitation in a state of collapse and all that goes with that... People are at their wits’ end to understand when all of this will come to an end.”
If the Free Gaza ships delivered the humanitarian cargo to the Israeli port of Ashdod, Israel would ensure it was delivered to Gaza after checking it for arms.
That’s very unlikely. The report “Failing Gaza: No rebuilding, no recovery, no more excuses” by a group of 16 European non-governmental organizations, published in December 2009, showed that the Israelis allow only a feeble trickle and what is permitted changes from day to day.
Israel could not allow the ships into Gaza without searching them for arms that might be of use to Hamas.
There are peaceful alternatives for checking cargoes. Besides, it’s time Israel implemented The Agreement on Movement and Access it signed in November 2005, under which it promised to allow its crossings into Gaza to “operate continuously” so that people and goods could move freely.
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* eg: Today's Daily Wail article on the new GMO onslaught doesn't even mention the recent findings of the Russian academy that demonstrate that GM food causes 2nd and 3rd generation sterility - just what Rockyfella and Herr Heinz Kissinger ordered back in the '70's.
yet
"The world has enough for everyone's needs but never enough for some people's greed" - how prescient Gandhi was... _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
Meanwhile, following the 'Punch Up at the Knesset', so-called Israeli 'democracy' goes into witch-hunt mode:-
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Jonathan Cook reports that an Israeli Arab MP, Haneen Zoubi, who has testified that she had seen passengers on board the Gaza-bound Turkish aid ship Mavi Marmara shot in the head by Israeli soldiers and others left to bleed to death, is now facing a possible trial and revocation of her citizenship for speaking the truth.
An Israeli parliamentary committee has recommended stripping an Arab MP of her privileges in a move to prepare the ground for putting her on trial for participating last week in the Gaza-bound aid flotilla attacked by Israeli commandos.
Haneen Zoubi, who has become a national hate figure since challenging Israel’s account of the confrontation, said on 7 June she was facing “a witch-hunt”.
The interior minister, Eli Yishai, has submitted a request for her citizenship to be revoked, and a bill – labelled the “Zoubi Law” – is being considered that would allow a serving MP to be expelled for “inciting” against the state.
Ms Zoubi has been provided with a bodyguard after receiving a spate of death threats. A popular Facebook page in Hebrew is calling for her execution and an online petition for her expulsion from the parliament has attracted tens of thousands of supporters.
Last week, in unprecedented scenes as she tried to address parliament, Ms Zoubi was heckled into silence by Jewish legislators shouting out “terrorist” and “traitor”. Guards only narrowly prevented a far-right parliamentarian from attacking her. ... ... ...
This is also straight out of the Zionist 'Manual On How to Destroy Anything and Anybody Decent'
Perhaps it is time for those in the know to shun Facebook and Twitter - the font of most of the present mental sickness emanating from the Likud party? The font of all the hate directed at bona-fide Knesset MP's who have the shear cojones to stand up to these zio-fascist maniacs?
This is never going to end peacefully until enough decent, honest people decide to get their hands dirty and act from their hearts and conscience. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
the above Youtube shows, we are told, Israelis celebrating in front of the Turkish Embassy after the flotilla murders. Note, Turkey has been an allay of Israel.
Reports I have heard show that Israelis are unconcerned about the international condemnation of the killings. Ordinary Israelis support what has been done.
Framing the Narrative: Israeli Commandos Seize Videotape and Equipment from Journalists After Deadly Raid
Palestinian Member of Israeli Knesset Receives Death Threats After Surviving Israeli Raid on Gaza Aid Flotilla
Israel Rejects Call for International Probe into Attack on Gaza Flotilla
43 Years After Surviving Israeli Attack on USS Liberty, US Veteran Joe Meadors Seized by Israeli Forces on Gaza Aid Flotilla
As Obama Refuses to Condemn Flotilla Assault, Survivors Recount Shootings, Beatings Aboard Mavi Marmara
more upto date info:
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Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 1959 Location: South London
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject:
This looks like the road to war. If Iranian warships escort a new aid convoy towards Gaza surely Israel will attack them. Turkey could join in the fight to support Iran. Israel could well bomb Iran.
Would the US stand aside or would it too attack Iran? There would probably be no need for the US to support Israel militarily because it has already ensured Israel is so well armed that it would not need US military help.
What would NATO do when one of its members, Turkey, gets involved? I can't see NATO supporting Turkey.
The result would be a nuclear armed nation, Israel, attacking a non-nuclear one: Iran. Despite all the hype I don't believe Iran has nuclear weapons, but Israel could use nukes, murdering millions of innocent people.
the above Youtube shows, we are told, Israelis celebrating in front of the Turkish Embassy after the flotilla murders. Note, Turkey has been an allay of Israel.
Reports I have heard show that Israelis are unconcerned about the international condemnation of the killings. Ordinary Israelis support what has been done.
Can anyone explain this attitude among Israelis?
Well, perhaps one reason is the controlled media. Yes, Haaretz does publish articles outside of the Israel establishment view, but in general, they are fed the same sh## that any reader of the Daily Mail gets, day in day out.
A second possible reason is the siege mentality. I.e. We, the Jews have always been prejudiced against. Therefore whenever we are criticised, we just hunker down and get behind our leaders.
And finally, IMO, ironically, when the judgement day comes, they will spout the same excuse as the Germans did. We didn't know. _________________ In the end, it's not the words of your enemies you will remember, but the silence of your friends. Martin Luther King
The earlier part of the 'Democracy Now' program, re drones used on US-Mexico border, also looks interesting (I mention this, because the link starts at the Mavi Marvara business).
This is a very interesting issue of Information Clearing House, with flotilla raid, Israel wanting more US arms, and Iran issues:
http://bl112w.blu112.mail.live.com/default.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0 _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Joined: 13 May 2009 Posts: 40 Location: North Devon, UK
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:55 pm Post subject:
Xmasdale, this could just be posturing on Irans part, but something tells me it isn't. I bloody well hope i'm wrong.
It is more likely to be a pre ordained plan to spark off some sort of conflict between Iran and Israel.. all scripted.. Netanyayu and Ahmadinejad are probably long lost cousans or something.. you know how it goes.
Perhaps Israel will 'chuck one over the sea' at Iran.. creating god knows what worldwide..
University of Korea cancels granting Peres honorary doctorates
THURSDAY, 10 JUNE 2010 11:41 ADDED BY PT EDITOR OMAR GHRAIEB
Korea, June 10, (Pal Telegraph) One of the South Korea universities decided to cancel granting the Israeli President Shimon Peres a honorary doctorates. The Korean authorities also decided to reduce Peres’ visit today, because of the massacre committed by Israeli occupation forces against the "fleet of freedom."
South Korea - according to the Korean news agency, "Yonhap" - attempted to fully cancel the visit of Peres in protest of the massacre committed by the Israeli occupation forces against the peace activists on board of the freedom fleet in international waters, but many interventions placed pressure on the Korean administration to agree to the visit, but routinely, and to reduce its agenda, in reference to mounting international criticism raging against the Israeli occupation because of the recent attack on a fleet of humanitarian aid carrying food and medicine to Gaza under siege for nearly four years. The agency quoted a source at the Israeli Embassy at Seoul saying that awarding an honorary doctorate to the Israeli president Shimon Peres at the University of Korea has been canceled.
Dozens of South Koreans conducted demos in Seoul against the president Shimon Peres, and described him as a “killer” during his wandering in the Korean capital.
Peres arrived in South Korea on an official visit, in addition to Korean President, Shimon wasn’t greeted by the Korean public as was decided in advance because of the massacre and he was greeted by a Korean. Peres was scheduled to visit Vietnam tomorrow, but the government in Hanoi, requested the postponement for an indefinite period to show protest of the freed fleet’s.
It is noteworthy that dozens of meetings and international symposia and conferences with the participation of Israel have been canceled. _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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After all this it is Iran that gets the UN sanctions.
What a joke.
This is the upside-down kingdom in full effect.
I agree Tony.
I know it won't do much good but I sent a letter to William Hague last week.
This was the text
Dear Mr Hague
Re: Israeli aggression.
I write to you as a 52 year old businessman. I am not a political activist and do not make a habit of writing to members of Parliament, but I am so angry about the latest Israeli aggression that I feel I have to write to you.
Many years ago I was a strong supporter of Israel and saw the Jewish people as a beleaguered nation amongst hostile neighbors. I have, therefore, watched in dismay as thanks to unprecedented American help, Israel has gradually turned into a highly armed, repressive state which seems to have absolutely no regard for non Jewish human life.
I now have every sympathy for the wretched Palestinian people who have been driven into ever smaller ghettos. I have come to believe that whatever the Israeli Government says publicly that the long term intention is now to drive the Palestinians out of Israel – either by forcing them to leave, or to make the lives of those who remain completely intolerable. Any reasonable human being would conclude that a two state solution is the only way out if this mess, but Israel will never accept this solution as the land “has been given to them by God” (as a committed Christian I very much doubt that!)
The constant Israeli Government sanctioned “illegal” settlements in Palestinian territory are a proof that Israelis see no place for Palestinians in their society. All land is being systematically confiscated acre by acre.
In itself the closure of all borders to Gaza has been inhumane. To stop all building materials is bad enough, but reports suggest that even nappies and children’s crayons are banned. Do the Israelis seriously think children will crayon them to death?
No wonder Palestinians fire rockets into Israel. If I were a Palestinian and my friends had been murdered, my lands occupied and stolen and my contact with the outside world cut off, I too might act as they do.
Israel has now with the latest attack on the peaceful convoy, bringing much needed materials to Gaza, placed itself at odds with the world.
Israel must now be treated as a pariah state until it changes its ways and starts to act as a responsible member of the international community. I would respectfully ask that your Government now consider introducing sanctions against Israel and suspends any aid monies sent to that country with immediate effect.
The irony is that the world places sanctions on Iran on the grounds that it “might” develop nuclear weapons and yet we do nothing about the fact that Israel is widely known to already have such weapons in large numbers. Frankly I would trust Iran with such weapons more than the current Israeli regime. A regime which has after all recently sent its agents to murder someone in Dubai - using false British Passports and a regime that has killed thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese in recent years. I am not aware that Iran has committed any such atrocities.
Please can you put pressure on the US to stop supporting Israel? I know there is probably a slim chance of you doing this, because it seems to me that for some unfathomable reason the world governments are in Israel's grip, but you seem to be a decent man and I feel I must flag this up with you. If you and others who have some chance of influencing Israel at this time do not do so, I have little hope that we will not ultimately be dragged into World War 3 over the issue of Israel. The writing is on the wall and I fear for my grandchildren, as I see little future for them if we do not act now.
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 475 Location: North London
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: Indulging Zionism
Good letter andrew1957
Zionists make us all feel guilty about the Holocaust. What's the real story?
http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/07/06/reviews/970706.06wyman.html
A remark Ben-Gurion made soon after Kristallnacht in reaction to a British decision not to permit 10,000 Austrian and German Jewish children to go to Palestine but instead to offer them refuge in Britain. He stated: ''Were I to know that all German Jewish children could be rescued by transferring them to England and only half by transfer to Palestine, I would opt for the latter, because our concern is not only the personal interest of these children, but the historic interest of the Jewish people.''
During the 1940s, Peter Bergson, nephew of a Palestinian rabbi, organised a campaign in the US to save European Jews from the Nazis.
“Bergson’s hard-hitting approach rattled some mainstream American Jewish leaders, who feared that loud protests might provoke antisemitism. …Yet there were also pockets of sympathy for the Bergson group within the Jewish leadership.”
Pockets of sympathy?
He also writes: “[the Bergson march] was to be the only rally in Washington on the rescue issue during the entire period of the Holocaust [but t]he idea of Jews marching through streets of the nation’s capital, promoting specifically Jewish requests such as rescue, especially during wartime, was anathema to mainstream Jewish leaders.”
Rescue an anathema? This is from someone who writes about the Holocaust.
The US Jewish lobby did not want to save European Jews from the Nazis. Indeed, there was a propaganda effort against him by Zionist organisations.
Rapoport, Louis, 1999, ‘Shake heaven and earth: Peter Bergson and the struggle to rescue the Jews of Europe, Gefen, Jerusalem and New York’ (p.viii):
“The record of their achievements refutes those who claim that ‘nothing could be done.’ Something was done, and a great deal more could have been achieved had the establishment Zionist and Jewish organizations not concentrated so much of their efforts on destroying the ‘Bergson group’
Jewish efforts to destroy the attempt to rescue Jews from Nazi Europe?
[img=http://*.com/news/idf_video/newspage.html]wtf source[/img] (the censoring software has taken out the name part of the website - put in whatdef*** where the asterisk appears)
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The unraveling of this tall tale on the high seas began on the morning of Friday, June the 4th when the poster known as Shadow made the following remark to another forum poster known as JayRodney:
"I had a close look at web pics of the Mavi Marmara and the ship in the vid that shows the Turks attacking the IDF as they land. I do not believe it is the same ship. Compare them though, I'd like your opinion on it."
To which JayRodney responded: "I have to conclude by my initial observation 'Mavi Marmara' should be visible 36-37 seconds into the video. Octo is getting screen shots and we will make the best comparison based upon available evidence.
I think it's safe to call shenanigans. It looks suspiciously like Mossad Productions, I'd say the margin of error is less than 1%. This is most assuredly propaganda."
Then the proverbial bomb was dropped, irrefutable evidence provided in the form of an animated .gif file:
The poster known as Octo said: "ok, the pics are from slightly different angles, but to the best of my knowledge at approximately the same place of the ship(s) superimposed: doesn't even look like the same ship to me."
Proof positive! The boats name should have been visible in at least one frame of the SKY NEWS video. Not only is the ships designation 'Mavi Marmara' conspicuously absent, but the entire vessel is clearly different; it's not the same boat!
This IDF footage is clearly fabricated, I wonder how the Israeli government will explain this away?
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It’s the TDI Karadeniz , the Mavi Marmara’s sister ship. It was recently sold to a Greek company and renamed “Dream”. In the IDF video you can clearly see the painted over “Turkish Maritime Lines” that was never on the Mavi Marmara
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1. There is no genuine violence shown in the video just a lot of motion. It doesn’t show a single case of anyone actually being hit by anything at all. We’re supposed to assume that it’s happening outside of our vision (like in stage magic). And they even tell us what we are supposed to imagine seeing with notes on the screen.
2. It’s not even the right ship.
The peace ship has a metal framework support for a shade awning that covers nearly the entire outside deck.
There is no sign of that awning in the IDF video.
The framework can be seen in this video from 1:08 to 1:15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch
3. Fake wave motion.
Although they tried to fake wave motion by moving the camera around and rolling it from side to side, there is zero variation of relative vertical position between the ship being filmed and the ship from which the film was supposedly made. When the photographer stops moving the camera the two boats don’t have any relative motion to each other.
That’s impossible at sea.
4. Fake infrared
The hijacking occurred at night but the video was clearly made in broad daylight.
They have photoshopped in a lot of brightness and contrast trying to fake Infrared night photography. But the result isn’t even close. Genuine infrared photography has almost zero halftones. Every pixel is either black or white. The IDF video is full of halftones.
5. The passengers fully knew they would be arrested and that was their stated intention.
Why in the world would they attack armed assault troops when they wanted to be arrested as a means of protesting Israel’s inhumanity. Why would they court death and destroy the very reason for their coming in the first place?
Compare for yourself
genuine nighttime infrared video versus daylight video bleached out to supposedly simulate infrared.
1. genuine infrared video taken from the helicopter.
(starts after several seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch
notice, there are no halftones at all
everything is either black or white.
2. the faked IDF video, obviously taken in broad daylight and then photo-edited to try to fake infrared night video. http://www.youtube.com/watch
notice that it’s full of halftones
Also.
Watch the real aerial video carefully again and watch for any sigh of the supposed violence on the faked IDF video.
I couldn’t see any sign whatsoever of passenger violence on the genune video. The passengers are obviously frightened and they obey orders to move, stop, and lie down.
Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 6060 Location: East London
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject:
paul wright wrote:
[img=http://*.com/news/idf_video/newspage.html]wtf source[/img] (the censoring software has taken out the name part of the website - put in whatdef*** where the asterisk appears)
Quote:
The unraveling of this tall tale on the high seas began on the morning of Friday, June the 4th when the poster known as Shadow made the following remark to another forum poster known as JayRodney:
"I had a close look at web pics of the Mavi Marmara and the ship in the vid that shows the Turks attacking the IDF as they land. I do not believe it is the same ship. Compare them though, I'd like your opinion on it."
To which JayRodney responded: "I have to conclude by my initial observation 'Mavi Marmara' should be visible 36-37 seconds into the video. Octo is getting screen shots and we will make the best comparison based upon available evidence.
I think it's safe to call shenanigans. It looks suspiciously like Mossad Productions, I'd say the margin of error is less than 1%. This is most assuredly propaganda."
Then the proverbial bomb was dropped, irrefutable evidence provided in the form of an animated .gif file:
The poster known as Octo said: "ok, the pics are from slightly different angles, but to the best of my knowledge at approximately the same place of the ship(s) superimposed: doesn't even look like the same ship to me."
Proof positive! The boats name should have been visible in at least one frame of the SKY NEWS video. Not only is the ships designation 'Mavi Marmara' conspicuously absent, but the entire vessel is clearly different; it's not the same boat!
This IDF footage is clearly fabricated, I wonder how the Israeli government will explain this away?
Quote:
It’s the TDI Karadeniz , the Mavi Marmara’s sister ship. It was recently sold to a Greek company and renamed “Dream”. In the IDF video you can clearly see the painted over “Turkish Maritime Lines” that was never on the Mavi Marmara
Quote:
1. There is no genuine violence shown in the video just a lot of motion. It doesn’t show a single case of anyone actually being hit by anything at all. We’re supposed to assume that it’s happening outside of our vision (like in stage magic). And they even tell us what we are supposed to imagine seeing with notes on the screen.
2. It’s not even the right ship.
The peace ship has a metal framework support for a shade awning that covers nearly the entire outside deck.
There is no sign of that awning in the IDF video.
The framework can be seen in this video from 1:08 to 1:15.
http://www.youtube.com/watch
3. Fake wave motion.
Although they tried to fake wave motion by moving the camera around and rolling it from side to side, there is zero variation of relative vertical position between the ship being filmed and the ship from which the film was supposedly made. When the photographer stops moving the camera the two boats don’t have any relative motion to each other.
That’s impossible at sea.
4. Fake infrared
The hijacking occurred at night but the video was clearly made in broad daylight.
They have photoshopped in a lot of brightness and contrast trying to fake Infrared night photography. But the result isn’t even close. Genuine infrared photography has almost zero halftones. Every pixel is either black or white. The IDF video is full of halftones.
5. The passengers fully knew they would be arrested and that was their stated intention.
Why in the world would they attack armed assault troops when they wanted to be arrested as a means of protesting Israel’s inhumanity. Why would they court death and destroy the very reason for their coming in the first place?
Compare for yourself
genuine nighttime infrared video versus daylight video bleached out to supposedly simulate infrared.
1. genuine infrared video taken from the helicopter.
(starts after several seconds)
http://www.youtube.com/watch
notice, there are no halftones at all
everything is either black or white.
2. the faked IDF video, obviously taken in broad daylight and then photo-edited to try to fake infrared night video. http://www.youtube.com/watch
notice that it’s full of halftones
Also.
Watch the real aerial video carefully again and watch for any sigh of the supposed violence on the faked IDF video.
I couldn’t see any sign whatsoever of passenger violence on the genune video. The passengers are obviously frightened and they obey orders to move, stop, and lie down.
It's a pity whoever put that 'flashing pictures' business on the web, didn't simply put stills against the real pics of 'Mavi Marmara'. It is much easier to compare straight stills than going giddy trying to fathom semi-subliminal flashes.
There certainly seems to be a great deal of evidence of another ship being used to 'fake' the film.
But, of course, the survivors have admitted to having used violence against the murderous IDF invaders, so althiough the 'footage' doesn't show it, we can be confidant it occured.
Some of you 'tech guys' can surely put stills up of the two ships for camparison, rather than flashing pics? _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 6060 Location: East London
Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:53 am Post subject:
paul wright wrote:
Can you do all of the pics? This clearly shows what appears to be an attachment to the raked structure, about 1/3 way up, on 1st pic, not present on Mavi Marmara pic.
This is actually what prompted me to ask if someone (thanks, Paul) could post stills. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Just Released: Unedited Footage from Mavi Marmara of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla (1 hour)
dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/just-released-unedit...
sent by DandelionSalad since 16 hours 27 minutes
"On the night of Sunday, May 30, showing a terrifying disregard for human life, Israeli naval forces surrounded and boarded ships sailing to bring humanitarian aid to the blockaded Gaza Strip. On the largest ship, the Mavi Marmara, Israeli commandos opened fire on civilian passengers, killing at least 9 passengers and wounding dozens more. Others are still missing. The final death toll is yet to be determined. Cultures of Resistance director Iara Lee was aboard the besieged ship and has since returned home safely. Despite the Israeli government's thorough efforts to confiscate all footage taken during the attack, Iara Lee was able to retain some of her recordings. Above is raw footage from the moments leading up to and during the Israeli commandos' assault on the Mavi Marmara."
tags: gaza, flotilla, israel, human rights
_________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
Here's a photo of the sister ship Karadeniz, sold to Greece, and said here and there to be the stage for the IDF fake video
Obviously a very similar looking ship to the Mavi Marmara
We need better still shots of both boats and from the IDF video for comparison
Endeavouring to do or find this
_________________ http://www.exopolitics-leeds.co.uk/introduction
American activists who supported, organized, or were on the flotilla headed to Gaza with humanitarian aid stormed the office of U.S. Congressmen Brad Sherman and turned themselves in for their “crimes.” The stunt was in response to Sherman’s call for Americans on the flotilla to be arrested for helping “terrorists.”
It illustrates the disconnect between a U.S. Congress who supports Israel unrelentingly, a White House that calls policies in Gaza unsustainable, and an international community condemning Israel’s raid of the flotilla.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject:
Osama Qashoo is a film maker and was founder of Free Gaza Movement. He was on the Marvi Marmara when the Israelis attacked and disarmed an Israeli commando.
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