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 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: Latest CIA Coup Plot in Venezuela Exposed |
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Link: http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2914
As this was moved to events by moderator as I included info about a rally Sunday, I've now re-posted it without that info. See 'Events' if your interested in rally, but this stuff is important news, just as it would be if the CIA pulled this kind of stuff in Iran.
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This seems like Chavez propaganda.
For one, why would they leave such a highly detailed document laying about? The CIA isn't quite that incompetent, especially against the fearsome threat of "Venezuelan counter-intelligence". Heh.
Second, DAO stands for 'Defense Attache Office', not 'Defense, Attack, and Operations'. That doesn't even make sense.
Third, I find it especially telling that Globovision, it's director Alberto Federico Ravell, and the IAPA are all listed as co-conspirators, considering they all devote a good deal of time to criticizing Chavez's policies. Chavez has threatened Globovision with being shut down on more than one occasion.
Agree or disagree with Chavez (which could be a whole other discussion), but he's just as capable of fake propaganda as the next guy. Most others, though, are apparently better at it than he.
Not to mention that I dislike any foreign leader just as much as I do my own for trying to quash opposition in the press.
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TMC - perhaps you should read the Petras article too (snip below)?
Your coy avoidance of Globovision's key part in the 2002 coup d'etat rather exposes your bias.
Your belief in present day CIA 'professionalism' is quite touching ;-) Perhaps a refresher from Gehlen onwards would help you to clarify just what is really going on...
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The electorate supporting the constitutional amendments is voting in favor of their socio-economic and class interests; the issue of extended re-election of the President is not high on their priorities: And that is the issue that the Right has focused on in calling Chavez a 'dictator' and the referendum a 'coup'.
The Opposition
With strong financial backing from the US Embassy ($8 million dollars in propaganda alone according to the Embassy memo) and the business elite and 'free time' by the right-wing media, the Right has organized a majority of the upper middle class students from the private universities, backed by the Catholic Church hierarchy, large swaths of the affluent middle class neighborhoods, entire sectors of the commercial, real estate and financial middle classes and apparently sectors of the military, especially officials in the National Guard. While the Right has control over the major private media, public television and radio back the constitutional reforms. While the Right has its followers among some generals and the National Guard, Chavez has the backing of the paratroops and legions of middle-rank officers and most other generals.
The outcome of the Referendum of December 2 is a major historical event first and foremost for Venezuela but also for the rest of the Americas. A positive vote (Vota 'Sí') will provide the legal framework for the democratization of the political system, the socialization of strategic economic sectors, empower the poor and provide the basis for a self-managed factory system. A negative vote (or a successful US-backed civil-military uprising) would reverse the most promising living experience of popular self-rule, of advanced social welfare and democratically based socialism. A reversal, especially a military dictated outcome, would lead to a blood bath, such as we have not seen since the days of the Indonesian Generals' Coup of 1966, which killed over a million workers and peasants or the Argentine Coup of 1976 in which over 30,000 Argentines were murdered by the US- backed Generals.
A decisive vote for 'Sí' will not end US military and political destabilization campaigns but it will certainly undermine and demoralize their collaborators. On December 2, 2007 the Venezuelans have a rendezvous with history.
James Petras, a former Professor of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York, owns a 50 year membership in the class struggle, is an adviser to the landless and jobless in brazil and argentina and is co-author of Globalization Unmasked (Zed). His new book with Henry Veltmeyer, Social Movements and the State: Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia and Argentina, will be published in October 2005. He can be reached at: jpetras@binghamton.edu" |
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Here's the full Petras article
COUNTERPUNCH EXCLUSIVE!
Counterattack as Fateful Referendum Looms
CIA Venezuela Destabilization Memo Surfaces
By JAMES PETRAS
On November 26, 2007 the Venezuelan government broadcast and circulated a confidential memo from the US embassy to the CIA which is devastatingly revealing of US clandestine operations and which will influence the referendum this Sunday, December 2, 2007.
The memo sent by an embassy official, Michael Middleton Steere, was addressed to the Director of Central Intelligence, Michael Hayden. The memo was entitled 'Advancing to the Last Phase of Operation Pincer' and updates the activity by a CIA unit with the acronym 'HUMINT' (Human Intelligence) which is engaged in clandestine action to destabilize the forth-coming referendum and coordinate the civil military overthrow of the elected Chavez government. The Embassy-CIA's polls concede that 57 per cent of the voters approved of the constitutional amendments proposed by Chavez but also predicted a 60 per cent abstention.
The US operatives emphasized their capacity to recruit former Chavez supporters among the social democrats (PODEMOS) and the former Minister of Defense Baduel, claiming to have reduced the 'yes' vote by 6 per cent from its original margin. Nevertheless the Embassy operatives concede that they have reached their ceiling, recognizing they cannot defeat the amendments via the electoral route.
The memo then recommends that Operation Pincer (OP) [Operación Tenaza] be operationalized. OP involves a two-pronged strategy of impeding the referendum, rejecting the outcome at the same time as calling for a 'no' vote. The run up to the referendum includes running phony polls, attacking electoral officials and running propaganda through the private media accusing the government of fraud and calling for a 'no' vote. Contradictions, the report emphasizes, are of no matter.
The CIA-Embassy reports internal division and recriminations among the opponents of the amendments including several defections from their 'umbrella group'. The key and most dangerous threats to democracy raised by the Embassy memo point to their success in mobilizing the private university students (backed by top administrators) to attack key government buildings including the Presidential Palace, Supreme Court and the National Electoral Council. The Embassy is especially full of praise for the ex-Maoist 'Red Flag' group for its violent street fighting activity. Ironically, small Trotskyist sects and their trade unionists join the ex-Maoists in opposing the constitutional amendments. The Embassy, while discarding their 'Marxist rhetoric', perceives their opposition as fitting in with their overall strategy.
The ultimate objective of 'Operation Pincer' is to seize a territorial or institutional base with the 'massive support' of the defeated electoral minority within three or four days (presumably after the elections though this is not clear. JP) backed by an uprising by oppositionist military officers principally in the National Guard. The Embassy operative concede that the military plotters have run into serous problems as key intelligence operatives were detected, stores of arms were decommissioned and several plotters are under tight surveillance.
Apart from the deep involvement of the US, the primary organization of the Venezuelan business elite (FEDECAMARAS), as well as all the major private television, radio and newspaper outlets have been engaged in a campaign of fear and intimidation campaign. Food producers, wholesale and retail distributors have created artificial shortages of basic food items and have provoked large scale capital flight to sow chaos in the hopes of reaping a 'no' vote.
President Chavez Counter-Attacks
In a speech to pro-Chavez, pro-amendment nationalist business-people (Entrepreneurs for Venezuela EMPREVEN) Chavez warned the President of FEDECAMARAS that if he continues to threaten the government with a coup, he would nationalize all their business affiliates. With the exception of the Trotskyists and other sects, the vast majority of organized workers, peasants, small farmers, poor neighborhood councils, informal self-employed and public school students have mobilized and demonstrated in favor of the constitutional amendments.
The reason for the popular majority is found in a few of the key amendments: One article expedites land expropriation facilitating re-distribution to the landless and small producers. Chavez has already settled over 150,000 landless workers on 2 million acres of land. Another amendment provides universal social security coverage for the entire informal sector (street sellers, domestic workers, self-employed) amounting to 40 per cent of the labor force. Organized and unorganized workers' workweek will be reduced from 40 to 36 hours a week (Monday to Friday noon) with no reduction in pay. Open admission and universal free higher education will open greater educational opportunities for lower class students. Amendments will allow the government to by-pass current bureaucratic blockage of the socialization of strategic industries, thus creating greater employment and lower utility costs. Most important, an amendment will increase the power and budget of neighborhood councils to legislate and invest in their communities.
The electorate supporting the constitutional amendments is voting in favor of their socio-economic and class interests; the issue of extended re-election of the President is not high on their priorities: And that is the issue that the Right has focused on in calling Chavez a 'dictator' and the referendum a 'coup'.
The Opposition
With strong financial backing from the US Embassy ($8 million dollars in propaganda alone according to the Embassy memo) and the business elite and 'free time' by the right-wing media, the Right has organized a majority of the upper middle class students from the private universities, backed by the Catholic Church hierarchy, large swaths of the affluent middle class neighborhoods, entire sectors of the commercial, real estate and financial middle classes and apparently sectors of the military, especially officials in the National Guard. While the Right has control over the major private media, public television and radio back the constitutional reforms. While the Right has its followers among some generals and the National Guard, Chavez has the backing of the paratroops and legions of middle-rank officers and most other generals.
The outcome of the Referendum of December 2 is a major historical event first and foremost for Venezuela but also for the rest of the Americas. A positive vote (Vota 'Sí') will provide the legal framework for the democratization of the political system, the socialization of strategic economic sectors, empower the poor and provide the basis for a self-managed factory system. A negative vote (or a successful US-backed civil-military uprising) would reverse the most promising living experience of popular self-rule, of advanced social welfare and democratically based socialism. A reversal, especially a military dictated outcome, would lead to a blood bath, such as we have not seen since the days of the Indonesian Generals' Coup of 1966, which killed over a million workers and peasants or the Argentine Coup of 1976 in which over 30,000 Argentines were murdered by the US- backed Generals.
A decisive vote for 'Sí' will not end US military and political destabilization campaigns but it will certainly undermine and demoralize their collaborators. On December 2, 2007 the Venezuelans have a rendezvous with history.
James Petras, a former Professor of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York, owns a 50 year membership in the class struggle, is an adviser to the landless and jobless in brazil and argentina and is co-author of Globalization Unmasked (Zed). His new book with Henry Veltmeyer, Social Movements and the State: Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia and Argentina, will be published in October 2005. He can be reached at: jpetras@binghamton.edu
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Your coy avoidance of Globovision's key part in the 2002 coup d'etat rather exposes your bias. |
Bias, nothing. The 'document' is an obvious forgery, proof of which is seen in the writer apparently not having any clue what DAO even stands for, let alone the needlessly detailed language and convenient naming of Chavez opponents. What exactly is this 'key part' you refer to? Their giving airtime to his primary opponent at the time?
| Quote: | | Your belief in present day CIA 'professionalism' is quite touching |
As is your unwarranted condescension. Do you actually believe "Venezuelan counterintelligence" stacks up against the CIA? Really? Really?
You've already made up your mind, and so you're taking any bit of evidence, no matter how nonsense it is, as absolute proof.
If you want to talk about US anti-government operations in Venezuela, start a new topic. This document is crud.
And now, for the understatement of the year: ALL GOVERNMENTS ENGAGE IN PROPAGANDA. EVEN THE ONES YOU AGREE WITH. GET OVER IT.
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| TmcMistress wrote: | This seems like Chavez propaganda.
For one, why would they leave such a highly detailed document laying about? The CIA isn't quite that incompetent, especially against the fearsome threat of "Venezuelan counter-intelligence". Heh.
Second, DAO stands for 'Defense Attache Office', not 'Defense, Attack, and Operations'. That doesn't even make sense.
Third, I find it especially telling that Globovision, it's director Alberto Federico Ravell, and the IAPA are all listed as co-conspirators, considering they all devote a good deal of time to criticizing Chavez's policies. Chavez has threatened Globovision with being shut down on more than one occasion.
Agree or disagree with Chavez (which could be a whole other discussion), but he's just as capable of fake propaganda as the next guy. Most others, though, are apparently better at it than he.
Not to mention that I dislike any foreign leader just as much as I do my own for trying to quash opposition in the press. |
I didn't reply immediately to this 'post', as a friend of mine is far more 'au fait' with the situation, and I passed this over to him. I'm sure you won't mind this; it's the same as some posters get a CIA brief on what rubbish to post on our Forum. Here is his response, and it's mine. Ever thought of speech-wriiting for Bush or Condi? Sorry, Bush can write his own.
Venezuelan intelligence is in no way to be laughed at. It has already uncovered and expelled CIA agents operating in Venezuela in the past. Chavez also has to cancel public appearances and trips at short notice a fair number of times if you are paying attention. That many people want him dead and would love to do it, just as some people in the UK would say they would be proud to shoot the queen. This is how good Venezuelan intelligence is. Revolutionary intelligence services really have to be THAT good considering the obvious and constant threat posed from the most powerful forces. without effective intelligence no progressive would last long. Look at Cuba. Regardless of your opinion of the way the country is run, the intelligence service is second to none - and most importantly - run as an INTELLIGENCE agency. primarily finding out highly secretive information and gaining a greater intelligence. Case in point the 100's of foiled plots to kill Castro and then 'The Cuban 5', who exposed terrorists operating and plotting illegal activities from Miami, passed that info to the US government and were then put in jail for exposing them. The American intelligence agencies stopped doing that and operate in a primarily offensive way these days.
Venezuela has faced and uncovered many many plots in the past to kill or remove Chavez from power as well as strategic threats to infrastructure. two out the many many succeeded in some way. The attempted coup in 2002 (which intelligence was aware was in the offing so cancelled a planned trip out of the country) and the boss' shutdown of the national oil company. These have both been exposed to have had U.S Government involvement. All documented in 2 Eva Gollinger books.
For those who monitor events in Venezuela closely, it is obvious to see that this memo is factually correct in many ways. It states the fact that the YES vote is clearly ahead, and it can't change that, but it can and has changed public opinion of the facts via false data. This has been happening over the last few months right up until last Sunday with the publishing of the last polling data, It's also illegal to announce exit poll data early on election day. watch for opposition attempts to do this. Minority student protests were picked up around the world and distorted to portray Chavez supporters as attacking peceful students, when the real majority of students are with Chavez and the reforms.
The illegal advertisements appeared in newspapers in Venezuela a couple of weeks ago. When they were printed there was a lot dodgy about them. One was printed in the same layout and colour scheme of the official electoral body documents...but was a fake and full of actual blatant lies and referring to articles in the constitution which did not correspond to the points being made. Many other examples.
So do you think Chavez is going to waste time trying to make up a story to blame the US for every little instance of illegal activity perpetrated against the Venezuelan people? Ha. he doesnt need to. It's already an obvious truth to those who know, but for those that don't - maybe they will never believe it, even after this document though? A very patriotic soul (be they American or Venezuelan) has done a very important job in exposing this plan, and by doing so helped lessen the chances of it working.
As I write this Chavez has just repeated the CIA memo claim at the closing rally in support of the YES vote. The streets of Caracas (streets, not just one street like the blue opposistion fill) are full of Chavistas listening to their President. Chavez may be crude in what he says. But he is not untrue in what he says. The former Spanish prime minister was a fascist. And you wanna tell me that George Bush is not a donkey? Well making this CIA claim public is very serious and would not of been done lightly. Most plots exposed are kept secret, Some Chavez makes vague references to. But this is a deadly serious claim.
Venezuelan intelligence is in no way to be laughed at. It has already uncovered and expelled CIA agents operating in Venezuela in the past. Chavez also has to cancel public appearances and trips at short notice a fair number of times if you are paying attention. That many people want him dead and would love to do it, just as some people in the UK would say they would be proud to shoot the queen. This is how good Venezuelan intelligence is. Revolutionary intelligence services really have to be THAT good considering the obvious and constant threat posed from the most powerful forces. without effective intelligence no progressive would last long. Look at Cuba. Regardless of your opinion of the way the country is run, the intelligence service is second to none - and most importantly - run as an INTELLIGENCE agency. primarily finding out highly secretive information and gaining a greater intelligence. Case in point the 100's of foiled plots to kill Castro and then 'The Cuban 5', who exposed terrorists operating and plotting illegal activities from Miami, passed that info to the US government and were then put in jail for exposing them. The American intelligence agencies stopped doing that and operate in a primarily offensive way these days.
Venezuela has faced and uncovered many many plots in the past to kill or remove Chavez from power as well as strategic threats to infrastructure. two out the many many succeeded in some way. The attempted coup in 2002 (which intelligence was aware was in the offing so cancelled a planned trip out of the country) and the boss' shutdown of the national oil company. These have both been exposed to have had U.S Government involvement. All documented in 2 Eva Gollinger books.
For those who monitor events in Venezuela closely, it is obvious to see that this memo is factually correct in many ways. It states the fact that the YES vote is clearly ahead, and it can't change that, but it can and has changed public opinion of the facts via false data. This has been happening over the last few months right up until last Sunday with the publishing of the last polling data, It's also illegal to announce exit poll data early on election day. watch for opposition attempts to do this. Minority student protests were picked up around the world and distorted to portray Chavez supporters as attacking peceful students, when the real majority of students are with Chavez and the reforms.
The illegal advertisements appeared in newspapers in Venezuela a couple of weeks ago. When they were printed there was a lot dodgy about them. One was printed in the same layout and colour scheme of the official electoral body documents...but was a fake and full of actual blatant lies and referring to articles in the constitution which did not correspond to the points being made. Many other examples.
So do you think Chavez is going to waste time trying to make up a story to blame the US for every little instance of illegal activity perpetrated against the Venezuelan people? Ha. he doesnt need to. It's already an obvious truth to those who know, but for those that don't - maybe they will never believe it, even after this document though? A very patriotic soul (be they American or Venezuelan) has done a very important job in exposing this plan, and by doing so helped lessen the chances of it working.
As I write this Chavez has just repeated the CIA memo claim at the closing rally in support of the YES vote. The streets of Caracas (streets, not just one street like the blue opposistion fill) are full of Chavistas listening to their President. Chavez may be crude in what he says. But he is not untrue in what he says. The former Spanish prime minister was a fascist. And you wanna tell me that George Bush is not a donkey? Well making this CIA claim public is very serious and would not have been done lightly. Most plots exposed are kept secret, Some Chavez makes vague references to. But this is a deadly serious claim.
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And now, for the understatement of the year: ALL GOVERNMENTS ENGAGE IN PROPAGANDA. EVEN THE ONES YOU AGREE WITH. GET OVER IT. |
That's certainly true.  It reminds me of something John Pilger said to one of our supporters: "Never believe something just because it suits your prejudices."
Having said that. I don't claim to know what the truth of this story is. I find it hard to believe that during the Venezuelan referendum either the CIA or Venezuelan intelligence would not be active.
There's an election in Russia tomorrow and I've no doubt intelligence operatives from several countries will be operating in that too. That's what they're paid to do, innit? |
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Intelligence agencies manipulating democracy ? 
I'm shocked to the core !
As an aside, I read the other day that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has offered to help oversee the American 2008 elections !
Funny old world . . .
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Only Thermate911 seems to have grasped the seriousness of this Memo.
I've been involved with Human Rights and Solidarity campaigns since the '70's. This memo fits the US modus operandi down to a t.
Re DAO, a definitive English version will be available shortly; the present version was based on an English translation from the Spanish. It could be that 'DAO' appears in the memo, and whoever translated it slipped up.
Hope to see a good 9/11 contingent at Bolivar Hall tomorrow (Sunday -see 'Events).
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You mistake my intentions, outsider. I have said nothing about whether or not the CIA is carrying out anti-Chavez ops in Venezuela; they likely are. My beef is with the accuracy of this memo.
If we are to shed any sort of light on things, no matter the topic, the information MUST be factually correct. This document is in all likelihood not.
But, to be perfectly honest? I do have a problem with Chavez. He's making the exact same mistakes with the implementation of Communism as Lenin and the other revolutionaries did. Marx stated pretty clearly that the communist revolution, when and if it comes, must come from all the people, below-up, not from the top-down.
Chavez is also screwing the economy right in the backside. A good portion of the popularity he enjoys is due to his essentially taking the money from oil sales and giving it right back out. This is a temporary solution and does f**k-all to build any sort of lasting economy. What's going to happen when Venezuela's oil supplies dry up? So will his numbers.
Not to mention I have serious issues with any president who goes out of his way to step on opposition press, and to alter the constitution so that he can run an unlimited number of times. Or arresting opposition leaders.
Garry Kasparov made a really good point on Real Time with Bill Maher a few weeks ago, that I think is applicable to this situation. Bill mentioned Putin's extremely high poll numbers, that they showed that Russians want a strong-man sort of leader, etc.
Kasparov answered with "How are you supposed to trust the polls in a dictatorship?"
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Kasparov is talking *.
Putin is very popular and his poll ratings are genuinely high.
Every Russian i know regards him as a very good leader. |
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Wow. So tell me, stelios, why is he so afraid to have independent election observers in the country? Why has he made it considerably more difficult for smaller parties to get into the parliament? Why is he arresting opposition leaders, Kasparov among them? Why do you, a person who has expressed their right-wing nature in the past, support an individual who is decidedly anti-free market? Especially an ex-KGB member, for god's sake.
Just being against the US doesn't make Putin the "good guy".
Back to Chavez... a poster over at GNN put another one of my gripes with him pretty well: "Authoritarian state socialism is little more than state capitalism. Take the means of ownership out of the hands of private capitalists, and into the hands of a centralized state apparatus. Say hello to the old boss, same as the new boss."
The above quote actually applies to Putin to a lesser degree, as well.
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| TmcMistress wrote: | Just being against the US doesn't make Putin the "good guy".
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being anti american and anti zionist does indeed make Putin the good guy and possibly the saviour of the entire planet |
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That... is possibly the most uneducated, naive thing I have read in some time. Congratulations, sir.
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| karlos wrote: | | TmcMistress wrote: | Just being against the US doesn't make Putin the "good guy".
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being anti american and anti zionist does indeed make Putin the good guy and possibly the saviour of the entire planet |
So if we all have to be anti-American to be on the side of the angels, we shall have to reject all the work on researching 9/11 done by many brave, sincere Americans.
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| karlos wrote: | | TmcMistress wrote: | Just being against the US doesn't make Putin the "good guy".
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being anti american and anti zionist does indeed make Putin the good guy and possibly the saviour of the entire planet |
I have to agree with TMCMistress. Unbelieveably and dangerously naive especially given Putin's history.
On that logic Saddam would have been a 'good guy' along with Hitler. Our enemy's enemy is not necessarily our friend. Based on historical precedent our enemy's enemies are far more likely to be our enemy's puppets, our enemy's stooges, our enemy's boogiemen. Indeed our enemy (the criminal elite nexus behind the 'war on terror') are disposable puppets. This is the way they play the game. Cheney, Bush, Putin and Bliar are not the masters of the universe. They are themselves mere puppets. This is why these figureheads are completely disposable. Plus no one here should support something called 'anti-americanism'. We are not against america or americans. We are against a relatively small group of war criminals. These war criminals owe their allegence to a hidden criminal enterprise and not to any one country or ideology called zionism. |
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Some excellent news on the Venezuela front (but it will doubtless give at least one of our posters indigestion):
Exxon (Esso) loses case against Venezuela in UK High Court:
http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/exxon_loses_case_against_pdvsa.htm
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Negroponte sticking his bloody nose into South American affairs again?
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/3305
The US is using Colombia in general, and Santos in particular, as it's 'stalking-horse' against Venezuela.
We should be watching this situation carefully; as Hugo Chavez jokingly said: "It shouldn't surprise you if a photo of me with Bin Laden comes out of that computer" (talking about the captured laptop from the Reyes assassination).
I hope many of you in London will show solidarity when 'Hands Off Venezuela' or other Venezuelan solidariity or information groups calls for protests.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Good article from Global Research, with Eva Gollinger giving robust support to Hugo Chavez. Pity the 'West' doesn't follow Venezuela's example, charging banksters and throwing corrupt judges in jail (and of course, much more!):
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16604
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| TmcMistress wrote: | This seems like Chavez propaganda.
For one, why would they leave such a highly detailed document laying about? The CIA isn't quite that incompetent, especially against the fearsome threat of "Venezuelan counter-intelligence". Heh.
Second, DAO stands for 'Defense Attache Office', not 'Defense, Attack, and Operations'. That doesn't even make sense.
Third, I find it especially telling that Globovision, it's director Alberto Federico Ravell, and the IAPA are all listed as co-conspirators, considering they all devote a good deal of time to criticizing Chavez's policies. Chavez has threatened Globovision with being shut down on more than one occasion.
Agree or disagree with Chavez (which could be a whole other discussion), but he's just as capable of fake propaganda as the next guy. Most others, though, are apparently better at it than he.
Not to mention that I dislike any foreign leader just as much as I do my own for trying to quash opposition in the press. |
Perhaps this, too, is Chavez 'propaganda'?: 46 US warships arrive off Costa Rica to 'combat narcotraffickers' (How does it go? Heh,heh?):
http://machetera.wordpress.com/2010/07/17/u-s-military-makes-itself-at -home-in-costa-rica/
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| TmcMistress wrote: | You mistake my intentions, outsider. I have said nothing about whether or not the CIA is carrying out anti-Chavez ops in Venezuela; they likely are. My beef is with the accuracy of this memo.
If we are to shed any sort of light on things, no matter the topic, the information MUST be factually correct. This document is in all likelihood not.
But, to be perfectly honest? I do have a problem with Chavez. He's making the exact same mistakes with the implementation of Communism as Lenin and the other revolutionaries did. Marx stated pretty clearly that the communist revolution, when and if it comes, must come from all the people, below-up, not from the top-down.
Chavez is also screwing the economy right in the backside. A good portion of the popularity he enjoys is due to his essentially taking the money from oil sales and giving it right back out. This is a temporary solution and does f**k-all to build any sort of lasting economy. What's going to happen when Venezuela's oil supplies dry up? So will his numbers.
And what would you have him do with the oil revenues? Siphon off a bit for himself and his cronies, and let the Multinationals ship the vast majority of the profits to their homeland HQ's?
Not to mention I have serious issues with any president who goes out of his way to step on opposition press, and to alter the constitution so that he can run an unlimited number of times. Or arresting opposition leaders.
You would be very hard put to find a Government anywhere in the world that has shown as much leniency as Chavez's to a media that openly praised the US-organised (but unsuccesful, due to mass support for Chavez's release from the people) coup, and continues to do all it can to sabotage the government. Typical US-backed media, Chile-style.
Try reading the history of US involvement in terrorist Dictatorships in South and Central America since WWII.
Garry Kasparov made a really good point on Real Time with Bill Maher a few weeks ago, that I think is applicable to this situation. Bill mentioned Putin's extremely high poll numbers, that they showed that Russians want a strong-man sort of leader, etc.
Kasparov answered with "How are you supposed to trust the polls in a dictatorship?" |
Kasparov makes a valid point; but I trust you are not equating Chavez's Venezuela to a dictatorship? If so, you really are illinformed.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Venezuela situation going critical...
To save time, I'm posting part of an email I sent out:
Venezuela situation is going critical; US has surrounded it with massive forces; Nick Rockefeller told Aaron Russo that after 'Afghanistan, Iraq, & 'War on Terror',
US would deal with Venezuela (this was 11 months BEFORE 9/11!!!).
To save time, I'm copying part of email I sent to a Venezuelan Solidarity group in UK ('Hands off Venezuela'):
There is a film by Oliver Stone, 'South of the Border', opening Friday 30th July (this Friday) till Thursday 5th August, with Chavez as well as others, playing at the Empire Leicester Square:
https://www.visitlondon.com/events/detail/8590812
It might be a good idea to prepare either a one or two-sided A5 leaflet and leaflet the cinemagoers, informing them of developments (recent re-commissioning of US Fourth Fleet after it had been mothballed after WWII, and sending it to patrol the Carribean and Pacific coasts; leasing of 7 bases from Colombia's US puppet leaders; machination in Dutch Antilles; and 'anti-drug task force' landing (and off-shore) in Costa Rico, as well as Colombia's US-backed and inspired bellicosity.
Once again, banging my head against a brick wall, I'll ask those of you who haven't watched it, to watch the online video 'Aaron Russo: Historic Interview'.
Also, info below.
UK-wide filming of Oliver Stone's 'South of the Border' from tommorow:
http://southoftheborder.dogwoof.com/screening/
http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/5524
http://boliviarising.blogspot.com/2010/07/bolivia-calls-unasur-meeting -to-solve.html
This stuff really is urgent; please try to publicise situation.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Venezuela 'Solidarity' events coming up shortly (17/18 Sept.), and HoV meeting Tuesday 7th September near Kings Cross, London; also please consider signing online Solidarity Statement:
The Hands off Venezuela campaign and the Bolivarian Congress of the Peoples are calling for International Days of Action in Solidarity with the Bolivarian Revolution on September 17 and 18.
This coming Tuesday (7th) at 7pm HOV London will be holding its regular
monthly meeting to organise upcoming solidarity activities.
This is a critical time for the Bolivarian Revolution, with parliamentary elections taking place on September 26 and the right-wing opposition set
to make gains, having boycotted the last elections. (Please see the HOV statement on the upcoming elections:
http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/venezuela_september_26_elections.htm and add your name to our signature campaign in support of the Bolivarian
revolution:
STATEMENT - ADD YOUR SIGNATURE - LIST OF SIGNATURES -EVENTS ORGANISED:
http://handsoffvenezuela.org/on_september_26_we_support_the_bolivarian _revolution.htm).
We are organising solidarity activities in London around these critical elections, so come down and get involved!
07 Septembre · 19:00 - 22:00
National Union of Journalists
308 Gray's Inn Road
London, United Kingdom
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Venezuelan Opposition Launches Campaign to Oust Nicolas Maduro:
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Venezuelan-Opposition-Launches-C ampaign-to-Oust-Nicolas-Maduro--20160308-0020.html
'The three-pronged strategy aims to remove President Maduro in 2016.
Venezuela's right-wing opposition launched a campaign Tuesday to remove socialist President Nicolas Maduro from power this year. The plan includes street protests for his immediate resignation, along with plans to hold a presidential recall referendum and to change the constitution so that there are immediate elections.
“We call on the entire Venezuelan people in order to force Maduro to resign as the President of the country,” the Executive Secretary of the Democratic Unity coalition Jesus Torrealba told reporters.
One of the mechanism sought by the opposition coalition is a constitutional amendment to cut Maduro's term short and hold new presidential elections. That could be requested either by the National Assembly or 2.9 million voters, paving the way for a recall referendum.
However, others have noted that under Article 24 of the Venezuelan constitution, any modifications to the constitution cannot be made retroactively.
The Democratic Unity coalition, known as the MUD, has long struggled to cultivate the disparate interests of a variety of political parties, with a wide range of priorities presenting challenges to policymaking.
However, Torrealba called on Venezuelans to take to the streets this coming Saturday to demand Maduro’s resignation.
In Caracas, Torrealba said, the rally will gather at Francisco de Miranda Avenue, while adding that they would notify of the other locations across the country in the following days.
"They want to organize street rallies to generate violence and bring about a coup, supported by U.S. imperialism," the Socialist Party's powerful no. 2, former National Assembly head Diosdado Cabello said this week.
The opposition also announced plans that would weaken the powers of the Supreme Court to determine what is constitutional.'
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