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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:47 pm Post subject:
Clicked on the first link. Made it through the Go Compare song and the news and sport. Even the utterly unhilarious intro and Ian Collins' ramblings about "conspiracy theories".
Next came "...and now for me guest David Aarono - " STOP!!!!
Sorry, could not go any further. Moronovitch has to be compromised or else he's just a research-pigmy.
David "it was all just a big coincidence" Aaronovitch is even worse than George Monobot. At least Monobot just based his mind-blowingly empty opinion on just one film - "Loose Change".
Aaronovitch reckons he's debunked every "conspiracy theory" ever. And with the release of his book he's also put to bed the theory that he's a bonafide journalist.
Maybe I should have listened on just to see if Moronovitch broke his own world record of being the fastest hack to mention "holocaust denial" whenever "conspiracy theories" are on the debate schedule.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:51 am Post subject:
This show is worth listening to if only as a demonstration of how many times in a couple of hours one man can contradict himself and seemingly not even realise it.
Caller : There was no evidence of a plane at the Pentagon"
Collins : Apparently there is, the two massive engines on the lawn might be a clue..."
Caller : There were no engines no seats, no bodies.
Collins : Didn't they disintergrate up?..."
Collins out does himself here. Totally changes his stance within one sentence.
This rates almost as highly as Ben Chertoff's "The plane disintergrated upon impact" then a few sentences later "they did eventually find the plane"
D'oh.
Collins also reckons the 9/11 OCT states they only found one passport.
HTH in the coming madness - I'm fairly convinced there is a deep underlying core intention to the present spreading insanity yet unfortunately the gatekeepers of this particular forum will only take truth seeking so far - touch their shibboleths, and you're toast, as our transatanic, oops, transatlantic cousins are wont to say ;-/ _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:36 pm Post subject:
Thermate911 wrote:
HTH in the coming madness - I'm fairly convinced there is a deep underlying core intention to the present spreading insanity yet unfortunately the gatekeepers of this particular forum will only take truth seeking so far - touch their shibboleths, and you're toast, as our transatanic, oops, transatlantic cousins are wont to say ;-/
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject:
Thermate911 wrote:
GSTT wrote:
Who exactly do you mean?
I'm seeking the truth from you here don't forget.
I might equally ask you 'What team?'
To judge my 'truth' please review my posts over the years.
I asked you a question and you have avoided answering. Not very truthful that is it petal?
You make an insinuation and fail to provide any evidence whatsoever to back up your claim and instead divert me away to your posts.
Sounds like a bit of a tactic to me.
You ask what team?"Psssst" he said in an agent sort of way, here's a clue...the sporting pre-match dirge.
Look at my avatar as well and put two and two together. Which still makes four in the real world I still try to inhabit.
By the way the fact that I use a Sex Pistols reference does not mean I have shares in Country Life.
Just before you start doddering off into another delusional dimension.
But if you want to believe that "the team" is MI5 or 6, or Mossad or even the Illuminati, go ahead.
What can I do to make the fantasy that little bit more 'real' for you?
Maybe declare myself as the messiah?
Your quote
Quote:
I'm fairly convinced there is a deep underlying core intention to the present spreading insanity
may indeed be true.
But if you ask me, it may not be the sceptics that are responsible for this. I have to say that in the four years or so that I've been on the truthy trail I've noticed one glaring unfortunate fact. Many 'truthseekers' are spreading the insanity themselves. I've met many that are a few gig's short of the full hard drive shall we say.The kind that like to think they know who the agents are without a single shred of evidence. Just a self-delusional "I know" sort of way.
They are their very own gatekeepers without even realising it. You for example.
So to cut to the quick, in response to your challenge
Quote:
To judge my 'truth' please review my posts over the years.
No need. Because your previous post is all I need to convince me you are not a truth seeker.
You are someone who thinks they something without any evidence and wont even answer a simple question without a contortional evasive deflection tactic.
Oh well. Not to worry. I've always got my 'paymasters' to fall back on after the last whimpers of what was once known as the truth movement finally die out due to infighting, baseless accusations and delusional musings.
I believe this is to do with “emotional alchemy” where many/all genuinely believe it, but are deceived. But we will not discuss it because something within us all will not allow you to (And will come up with any excuse within not to, or even recognise it) unless that person has the will power to overcome it as an individual, which is not the same as global awakening.
I think even the sad old Saddam Hussein told us who the actors are. :0 _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
I listened to most of the talk sport post above and it was clear to see the ridicule put forward by Collins (And some poor points by callers) Then made a point of listening to Ian Crane’s talk, which I thought he did well until the end part and made a post showing on another thread about:
--
"UNCED – Summit, 1992
Population control (reduction): Edmond de Rothschild, Maurice Strong, Rockefeller, World Order in their hands.
By, George W. Hunt
Earth summit synthesis:
Thesis (Positive environment control) anti thesis (industrial development pollution) so environment suffers.
With talks (recordings of) given by Edmond de Rothschild, Maurice Strong."
--
I didn’t say much about it here because although I agree with some of Ian’s work, when I pointed out about false industrial vitamins (which most of them are) hoping this would be taken as further research to be done, I was labelled a truth critic and eventually banned on another issue. Which is why I don’t feel I can post about the part-s I don’t agree with him on, even to discuss this.
Dear me - more facile 'divide and rule' tactics from GStT - no wonder movements should be confined to the bathroom! ;-)
Yes, I'm fairly certain that I do know who the present central players in our downfall are and ISTM increasing numbers of recently arrived 'validated' posters here are doing more to aid that downfall than prevent it, even if inadvertently, _IMO_. Or is this forum just as Tony once claimed - merely a 'shelter' for Christian theoreticians, with no action ever intended? I certainly don't see many Griffins, Ickes, Highs or Riveros around here anymore.
'Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.' - George Orwell
Though judging by all the 'bannings' (as if unpalatable truths can ever be entirely squelched!) the main thrust of this site seems to have shifted to one of 'wet blanket', 'tread very carefully', 'mind ones P&Q's', and 'Don't step out of line'.
Not a healthy environment for free discussion of the world's most vital and pressing issues, is it? But then that is what has always happened once the fragile rich pay spooks to get a grip, twist truths to suit elite dogma and silence dissension, occasionally 'with extreme prejudice' as recently happened to Chris Story, Matt Simmons and a whole bunch of unsung dead heroes, RIP...
Now, does anyone here have a definitive list of presently active RIIA members and/or UK 'Monarch' operatives, apart from Collins?
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:47 pm Post subject:
Thermate911 wrote:
Dear me - more facile 'divide and rule' tactics from GStT - no wonder movements should be confined to the bathroom!
What are you going on about now?
"divide and rule tactics" what on earth are you refering to?The only tactic I can see on this thread is yours.
Why wont you answer the simple question I have asked you? Who do you mean when you say gatekeepers and what evidence do you have to back up your claim.
Come on. It's not difficult is it now?
EDIT - ....my my you have been a busy little boy haven't you? I decided to take you up on your diversionary challenge (avoiding a question about your baseless accusation and deflecting attention to your previous posts etc) and what do I find on the very first comments page.
You've had your knickers in a twist more than once around these parts haven't you petal?
What is it now? Two bannings? aaaaaahh! The big rebellious truth seeker eh?
If as you insinuate this forum is compromised then why do you come here? Just to get banned and then turn round and say "see".
I didn’t say much about it here because although I agree with some of Ian’s work, when I pointed out about false industrial vitamins (which most of them are) hoping this would be taken as further research to be done, I was labelled a truth critic and eventually banned on another issue. Which is why I don’t feel I can post about the part-s I don’t agree with him on, even to discuss this.
This is better news, as it has been for some time now.
Quote:
Alliance for Natural Health
http://www.anh-europe.org/news/canadian-pediatricians-want-vitamins-to -be-made-drugs
The thing that seems to have escaped the ‘let’s-turn-vitamins–into-drugs’ lobby is that there are plenty of other items that are regarded as legitimate foods or food ingredients (i.e. are not being pushed in the direction of licensed drugs) that are also bad at high dosages with prolonged use. Sugar, salt, hydrogenated and transfats come to mind, as well as many chemical food additives. And what then about GM foods?
So you see where the problem really lies? Pharmaceutical forms of vitamins.
Interestingly, a study authored by scientists from the world’s second largest drug company, GSK, carried in the very same journal, the Annals of Pharmacotherapy, suggests that the use of melatonin, classified already as a drug throughout Europe, is both safe and efficacious for the treatment of insomnia in children! Who’s asleep now?
"the Christian Socialist trade union in Slovenia. In 1922, he was among the proponents of the Alliance of the Working People, a wide left wing platform that unified several political parties, from Christian Socialist groups to Communists,"
"During the 1920s and 1930s, he published numerous treatises on economic and social policies. The most important of these were Essays on National Economy (1922), For A Christian Socialism (1923), Social Economy (1924). In his magnum opus, the treatise For A New Social Order, published in two volumes between 1933 and 1935, he defended a market economy with welfare regulations, and urged for a politics of "Christian Social activism". In the early 1920s,he was considered one of the leading theoreticians of the Christian Socialist wing of the Slovene People's Party."
Therefore you have access to the moderators lounge, right?
Therefore you can see at a glance why I was banned and who by, right?
Stop playing games; it's a complete waste of time and is making you, and by association this whole site, look very silly.
This is not productive and certainly does not help to encourage new members, does it? This was once the most sober and effective 911 site on the web - no longer, since fundamentalism crept in and the real reasons behind 911 have come to light.
"We will lead every revolution against us" - ring any bells for you? _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
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Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject:
You really are a strange one. You call this site compromised, I ask you who you mean, you ignore the question for days, accuse me of attacking you and turn around and call me silly.
With people like you on the truth trail matey, we've all got a long long way to go.
Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
2. Become incredulous and indignant.
Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used to show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.
3. Create rumor mongers.
Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.
4. Use a straw man.
Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.
This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
6. Hit and Run.
In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.
7. Question motives.
Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
8. Invoke authority.
Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
9. Play Dumb.
No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials that have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
10. Associate opponent charges with old news.
A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions.
Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.
12. Enigmas have no solution.
Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to loose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic.
Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.
14. Demand complete solutions.
Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions.
This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
16. Vanish evidence and witnesses.
If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.
17. Change the subject.
Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.
If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'
This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
20. False evidence.
Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.
21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body.
Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.
22. Manufacture a new truth.
Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.
23. Create bigger distractions.
If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.
24. Silence critics.
If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.
25. Vanish.
If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.
??? My bold.
Truth seeking only hit a major snag here once the Old Testament came under the microscope and the concept of a 'One True God' complete with 'Chosen Ones' started being criticised, particularly after Snow interviewed Regev (and bearing in mind that the latter's ancestors 'wrote/edited' the Bible!). Think about it. It's turned into the zio version of a Bushism, hasn't it?
"Either yer with us or yer agin us" sortafing, what?
Link _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
Truth seeking only hit a major snag here once the Old Testament came under the microscope and the concept of a 'One True God' complete with 'Chosen Ones' started being criticised, particularly after Snow interviewed Regev (and bearing in mind that the latter's ancestors 'wrote/edited' the Bible!). Think about it. It's turned into the zio version of a Bushism, hasn't it?
Why do you keep confusing the Old Testament with the Talmud Thermate911? When it has been pointed out to you so many times?
RE. talksh!t Collins, I haven't heard the, posted above, radio link yet (does anyone think I should listen?), he has form as a BS spouter on the subject of CT's. I recall that time he was all licky with the sub FOX News'911 conspiracy files' producer Guy Smith on his show when a 'Scouser' called in and talked about the commonly known FACT the FBI had confiscated ALL the video film of whatever made that tiny hole through three rings of the facility. Do you know what Collins said to Liverpool caller?..."you just made that up!"!!! After a break he changed his position saying that the FBI probably asked for the CCTV film for evidence, likely he'd been shown the facts by better informed colleagues.
Another thing Collins, and other disinfo MS media agents, always say ,reference 911, goes something like..."WHENEVER you get world changing seminal events there are ALWAYS scores and scores of anomalies surrounding them" apparently there's a massive fallout of pixie dust and the known universal laws of maths physics and common sense go out the window! Hope he didn't sell his soul too cheap.
Why do you keep confusing the Old Testament with the Talmud Thermate911? When it has been pointed out to you so many times?
There's no confusion here, sad to say, Andrew, and nothing that has been 'pointed out' changes the facts of the matters under discussion on this forum.
We are stuck with Ezekiel whether we like it or not. We are stuck with Ratzinger, whether we like it or not. We are stuck with deluded 'Chosen Ones', whether we like it or not. We are stuck with the Thule Society (present top of this particular dungheap = RIIA). We are stuck with insane psychotics, led by Rabbis, literally hell bent on driving the world to extinction, whether we like it or not. We are stuck with <insert evil genie of choice here>.
At present, I can't tell from one visit to the next whether I am still 'allowed' to post here, so I'll take this opportunity to re-iterate my plea for clarity, if I may?
Truth seeking has no bounds; once one starts on the path to enlightenment (in the very broadest sense) all philosophies, ideologies and religions must be scrutinised impartially.
Yet sadly, every one of these falls down on some aspect or other, so holding on to cherished beliefs, education and false idols becomes an impediment to seeking the truth.
There is a strong undertow on this forum that clearly implies that if one does not believe totally in the 'One True God' of the Judaic religions, one cannot possibly achieve spiritual enlightenment. Yet the very act of 9/11, now clearly attributable to CIA/MI6/Mossad, was engineered by 'Godless' beings using your and other religions as spark points. Has it ever been otherwise on a planet controlled by priesthoods who delight in banging heads together (and far worse!)?
According to all the truly Enlightened, Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed included, we are all, each and every one of us, created in "the image and likeness of God", we all of us have the inbuilt capability to become god-like; the snag arrives when individuals with dominant egos seek 'godhood' for the wrong reasons and by the wrong paths (of which there are probably an infinity).
Cleaving to one concept of godhood leaves us wide open to manipulation by unscrupulous priesthoods, allows individuals to put their worries and spiritual aspirations on a shelf - let the priests sort it out - yeah, right!
So here we are, back at Amaury/deMonfort's "Kill them all, let God sort it out" and pffft, Cathars RIP.
All because 'god' has been cleverly, yet erroneously, externalised.
Hey ho.
No Andrew et al - there is NO free lunch; there are no 'happy endings' if only we trust in our pre-ordained religion(s); there are no happy endings at all unless and until we all come to the stark realisation that it is up to individual choice.
Our personal choices, at every moment of our brief sojourn on this plane of lessons, are crucial to the world's well being...
...or otherwise.
Arguing over 'religion' just falls into the age old traps set by the perennial rulers of this world - Luciferians, Satanists, if you must apply labels, only please quit trying to apply such labels to me just because I don't subscribe in the least to your particular herd. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
According to all the truly Enlightened, Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed included, we are all, each and every one of us, created in "the image and likeness of God", we all of us have the inbuilt capability to become god-like; the snag arrives when individuals with dominant egos seek 'godhood' for the wrong reasons and by the wrong paths (of which there are probably an infinity).
Then choose God and save your self and let the dead bury the dead.
THE REASON WHY
There are two paths - The Way home or the way to the Fire. Everyone has free will to choose. Everybody is due to be judged on his/her individual merits. Learn what is a need.
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:37 pm Post subject:
Jones does himself no favours at all here.
He just doesn't understand the UK radio audience and comes across as a typical redneck yelling fool in that clip.
He probably doesn't care though because, if he isn't as co-opted as many make out, he's been largely banging his head against a brick wall for years with the majority of the population.
I think he should do us all a favour though and rename his site Infowares.com.
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