Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:11 am Post subject: Paul Craig Roberts
Many of Paul Craig Roberts' articles have been posted on various threads here so I have started a thread to enable them to be kept in one place in future. He was a senior figure in the Reagan administration and his warnings about the dire state of the American economy and demise of America in general deserve prominence.
"Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan’s first term. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University, and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He was awarded the Legion of Honor by French President Francois Mitterrand."
The United States is running out of time to get its budget and trade deficits under control. Despite the urgency of the situation, 2010 has been wasted in hype about a non-existent recovery. As recently as August 2 Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner penned a New York Times Column, Welcome to the Recovery.
As John Williams (shadowstats.com) has made clear on many occasions, an appearance of recovery was created by over-counting employment and undercounting inflation. Warnings by Williams, Gerald Celente, and myself have gone unheeded, but our warnings recently had echoes from Boston University professor Laurence Kotlikoff and from David Stockman, who excoriated the Republican Party for becoming big-spending Democrats.
It is encouraging to see a bit of realization that, this time, Washington cannot spend the economy out of recession. The deficits are already too large for the dollar to survive as reserve currency, and deficit spending cannot put Americans back to work in jobs that have been moved offshore.
However, the solutions offered by those who are beginning to recognize that there is a problem are discouraging. Kotlikoff thinks the solution is massive Social Security and Medicare cuts or massive tax increases or hyperinflation to destroy the massive debts.
Perhaps economists lack imagination, or perhaps they don’t want to be cut off from Wall Street and corporate subsidies, but Social Security and Medicare are insufficient at their present levels, especially considering the erosion of private pensions by the dot com, derivative and real estate bubbles. Cuts in Social Security and Medicare, for which people have paid 15% of their earnings all their life, would result in starvation and deaths from curable diseases.
Tax increases make even less sense. It is widely acknowledged that the majority of households cannot survive on one job. Both husband and wife work and often one of the partners has two jobs in order to make ends meet. Raising taxes makes it harder to make ends meet—thus more foreclosures, more food stamps, more homelessness. What kind of economist or humane person thinks this is a solution?
Ah, but we will tax the rich. The usual idiocy. The rich have enough money. They will simply stop earning.
Let’s get real. Here is what the government is likely to do. Once the Washington idiots realize that the dollar is at risk and that they can no longer finance their wars by borrowing abroad, the government will either levy a tax on private pensions on the grounds that the pensions have accumulated tax-deferred, or the government will require pension fund managers to purchase Treasury debt with our pensions. This will buy the government a bit more time while pension accounts are loaded up with worthless paper.
The last Bush budget deficit (2008) was in the $400-500 billion range, about the size of the Chinese, Japanese, and OPEC trade surpluses with the US. Traditionally, these trade surpluses have been recycled to the US and finance the federal budget deficit. In 2009 and 2010 the federal deficit jumped to $1,400 billion, a back-to-back trillion dollar increase. There are not sufficient trade surpluses to finance a deficit this large. From where comes the money?
The answer is from individuals fleeing the stock market into "safe" Treasury bonds and from the bankster bailout, not so much the TARP money as the Federal Reserve’s exchange of bank reserves for questionable financial paper such as subprime derivatives. The banks used their excess reserves to purchase Treasury debt.
These financing maneuvers are one-time tricks. Once people have fled stocks, that movement into Treasuries is over. The opposition to the bankster bailout likely precludes another. So where does the money come from the next time?
The Treasury was able to unload a lot of debt thanks to "the Greek crisis," which the New York banksters and hedge funds multiplied into "the euro crisis." The financial press served as a financing arm for the US Treasury by creating panic about European debt and the euro. Central banks and individuals who had taken refuge from the dollar in euros were panicked out of their euros, and they rushed into dollars by purchasing US Treasury debt.
This movement from euros to dollars weakened the alternative reserve currency to the dollar, halted the dollar’s decline, and financed the massive US budget deficit a while longer.
Possibly the game can be replayed with Spanish debt, Irish debt, and whatever unlucky country swept in by the thoughtless expansion of the European Union.
But when no countries remain that can be destabilized by Wall Street investment banksters and hedge funds, what then finances the US budget deficit?
The only remaining financier is the Federal Reserve. When Treasury bonds brought to auction do not sell, the Federal Reserve must purchase them. The Federal Reserve purchases the bonds by creating new demand deposits, or checking accounts, for the Treasury. As the Treasury spends the proceeds of the new debt sales, the US money supply expands by the amount of the Federal Reserve’s purchase of Treasury debt.
Do goods and services expand by the same amount? Imports will increase as US jobs have been offshored and given to foreigners, thus worsening the trade deficit. When the Federal Reserve purchases the Treasury’s new debt issues, the money supply will increase by more than the supply of domestically produced goods and services. Prices are likely to rise.
How high will they rise? The longer money is created in order that government can pay its bills, the more likely hyperinflation will be the result.
The economy has not recovered. By the end of this year it will be obvious that the collapsing economy means a larger than $1.4 trillion budget deficit to finance. Will it be $2 trillion? Higher?
Whatever the size, the rest of the world will see that the dollar is being printed in such quantities that it cannot serve as reserve currency. At that point wholesale dumping of dollars will result as foreign central banks try to unload a worthless currency.
The collapse of the dollar will drive up the prices of imports and offshored goods on which Americans are dependent. Wal-Mart shoppers will think they have mistakenly gone into Neiman Marcus.
Domestic prices will also explode as a growing money supply chases the supply of goods and services still made in America by Americans.
The dollar as reserve currency cannot survive the conflagration. When the dollar goes the US cannot finance its trade deficit. Therefore, imports will fall sharply, thus adding to domestic inflation and, as the US is energy import-dependent, there will be transportation disruptions that will disrupt work and grocery store deliveries.
Panic will be the order of the day.
Will farms will be raided? Will those trapped in cities resort to riots and looting?
Is this the likely future that "our" government and "our patriotic" corporations have created for us?
To borrow from Lenin, "What can be done?"
Here is what can be done. The wars, which benefit no one but the military-security complex and Israel’s territorial expansion, can be immediately ended. This would reduce the US budget deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars per year. More hundreds of billions of dollars could be saved by cutting the rest of the military budget, which in its present size, exceeds the budgets of all the serious military powers on earth combined.
US military spending reflects the unaffordable and unattainable crazed neoconservative goal of US Empire and world hegemony. What fool in Washington thinks that China is going to finance US hegemony over China?
The only way that the US will again have an economy is by bringing back the offshored jobs. The loss of these jobs impoverished Americans while producing over-sized gains for Wall Street, shareholders, and corporate executives. These jobs can be brought home where they belong by taxing corporations according to where value is added to their product. If value is added to their goods and services in China, corporations would have a high tax rate. If value is added to their goods and services in the US, corporations would have a low tax rate.
This change in corporate taxation would offset the cheap foreign labor that has sucked jobs out of America, and it would rebuild the ladders of upward mobility that made America an opportunity society.
If the wars are not immediately stopped and the jobs brought back to America, the US is relegated to the trash bin of history.
Obviously, the corporations and Wall Street would use their financial power and campaign contributions to block any legislation that would reduce short-term earnings and bonuses by bringing jobs back to Americans. Americans have no greater enemies than Wall Street and the corporations and their prostitutes in Congress and the White House.
The neocons allied with Israel, who control both parties and much of the media, are strung out on the ecstasy of Empire.
The United States and the welfare of its 300 million people cannot be restored unless the neocons, Wall Street, the corporations, and their servile slaves in Congress and the White House can be defeated.
Sorry to rain on you, item8 but PCR gives me the pip - I don't reckon there's another quite like him in print for self-centred naivety.
At least he's beginning to reach vaguely to the right conclusions but for all the wrong reasons - he's part of the problem - an economist. Still, if he brings on a few more thinkers still fooling around with dead ends like truthout etc etc...
Give me this trio any day:-
W.G.Carr
Eustace Mullins
Fritz Springmeier
Learn what they know and advocate and the present global nightmare would soon be over.
IMO of course ;-) _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
They are not mutually exclusive. Listen to them all! Without doing that you can't realise that Carr is a hate-filled racist. Springmeier has been convicted of planning a bank robbery and is currently in jail. I have read Mullins and have many videos of him being interviewed. What a sensible person is doing in your trio I can't imagine. The point is Roberts was an insider and highly ranked but has seen the light. He openly says that 9/11 was an inside job and part of a global conspiracy to bring down America. Imagine Nigel Lawson or Norman Lamont saying that and it puts Roberts into context.
@item8: I agree entirely with your assessment of Carr's agenda & Springmeier's alleged failings (and, for the sake of completitude, Mullins association with Pound) but as always, ignoring these aspects* and concentrating on what they publish and more to the point, let slip, is of paramount importance in getting to the identities of the true culprits, now literally hell bent on destroying the planet and the majority of its' peoples.
Meanwhile PCR and his hidebound ilk fulminate on the symptoms (from a very narrow perspective, IMV) rather than the causes - thereby adding to the FUD that newcomers to the world's realities could well do without, bearing in mind how critical the world sit now is and how rapidly they must catch up to be effective.
As for Lawson or Lamont; too public to be more than mere 2nd tier puppets, IMO ... and wouldn't they just love a revolution against them - think of all those secret pain toys they could use on something more than their Monarch-programmed sex slaves...
* and that's why I'm always banging on about a totally open forum where the wicked can be given full rein to brag and let slip - it's always been the only way to penetrate and expose secrecy and evil machinations - wait for the psychopath to do his/her thing, which is to advertise how clever they think they are...
@TonyG: "What about most UK broadsheet journalists for example? "
What about them? For the most part, they're the enemy (if only due to being chained to a wage packet, mortgage and apathy). At least PCR tells it like he sees it from a comparatively recently acquired sense of morality - just not effectively - almost a limited hangout...IMV
I am not trying to be divisive here; just trying to point out that newcomers need foundations and clear understanding of what they are up against, not jingoistic calls to arms that are destined to fail if they play by 13 Family 'rules'... _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
I am not trying to be divisive here; just trying to point out that newcomers need foundations and clear understanding of what they are up against, not jingoistic calls to arms that are destined to fail if they play by 13 Family 'rules'...
Newcomers will only become newcomers if people like former "establishment" figures speak out, precisely because they have voices that will be listened to, and people like Roberts are forming the foundation of which you speak. They are not easily dismissed as loonies or "conspiracy theorists". He gives clear descriptions of what the problems are and how to resolve them. Sadly it seems he has reached the ultimate conclusion that violence is going to be the only way. Sometimes you have no choice but to defend yourself. The attacks on our liberties are intensifying and while I agree an armed insurrection is what "they" want there seems little alternative. This is a "numbers" game or an "information war" and while in the past "they" have always had the nap hand it is not necessarily going to be the same next time if it comes. I believe "they" are losing and the more people like Roberts speak out the sooner "newcomers" will be so numerous "we" will win.
Good try, item8, and I appreciate your efforts, but relying on the perspective of 'former establishment figures' is how we always stumble into wars and misery. I don't subscribe to the sheer weight of numbers scenario as that can only have one outcome, IMO - sheer weight of bodies, heaped to the skies.
Ex-CSIS, ex-author-of-Reaganomics, ex-Cato, ex-Hoover, ex-WSJ, ex-God-knows-what-else, PCR offers predictably violent solutions to problems that could still be resolved by an international court with sufficient backbone and a very clear understanding of who the real criminals are. Yet PCR does not go there; instead he whips people up without giving them the truth of who they need to fight. He sticks to generalities and appeals to base emotions and people's wallets - that's how we all arrived at the now much over-hyped Holocaust, last time around in Europe.
I could write reams but what is the point? There are seminal authors and researchers out there who have done it all before, far more effectively than most of us ever could - and suffered the opprobrium; had their work, their character, their freedom and in some cases their lives utterly destroyed. Sadly this, in and of itself, is often the best indicator that they are conveying fundamental truths (however poorly written, as in Springmeier's case).
The true culprits have been honing their evil skills for millennia; do you really think they don't know how to defend themselves by all means possible? It means nothing to them if millions of innocents lose their lives, so long as they satisfy their bloodlust, turn a profit and keep well out of the limelight.
It is not systems that are destroying the world, it is individuals - people without one iota of empathy for their fellow beings - as far as they're concerned we're just meat to be disposed of as they see fit. Until the heads are removed, the hydra will continue to consume all in its path, led on by blinkered 'public figures' who themselves are too near the fire to realise they're being consumed by their limited perspectives.
Only sovereign individuals, acting from the heart and clear understanding, can counter the evil we now face.
Please, leave your preconceptions and biases behind and give those authors I promote another try. Despite their ghastly failings, they do provide the keys to rectifying the present situation, without the ignorance and emotive persuasion that will surely lead to yet another blood letting of all Jews, innocent and guilty alike. My reasons for putting the accent on these three (let's face it, largely christian-fascist) authors is that they cut through the mish mash where most other authors work against one side or the other of the fake but deadly boundaries between Thule & Zion...
And why is it we are able to learn so much about the evils of the latter, yet so very, very little about the former? That alone should ring alarm bells.
You may as well point people at Hollywood - try Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut" for how miserable a failure to get the appalling truth out can be. Hey, you could even point people at the 1934 'House of Rothschild' gloss-over if you really want to keep them floundering & wrapped up in half-truths ;-)
Link _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
As the hordes trample the banksters underfoot you can just hear the Daleks now...
Asphyxiate! Asphyxiate!! Asphyxiate!!!
Meanwhile, although slightly dated, I offer this as a counterpoint to PCR:-
"Gordon Duff: Can 1% Stop The Global Criminal Syndicate?"
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CAN A REAL GLOBALISM BASED ON TRUTH AND HONOR SAVE THE WORLD?
I was asked during an interview on Al Jazeera the question that every Muslim lives with every day, “How can a small country like Israel control America.” My answer was simple. Imagine a friend comes to you screaming, “Someone stole my house!” You ask him what happened. His response; “I put my house up for sale, I asked $200,000 dollars. A man came to the door and said he wanted my house. He gave me $200,000 bucks and now I have no home.”
Israel doesn’t buy influence and control in America, we sold it to them. The price tags were there, had been there forever. Anyway, there isn’t such a thing as Israel. Yes, it is a country, like America but we don’t exist either, not really, we never did. Our Civil War proved this. A country is like a company with a flag, a company that doesn’t have to pay its workers, can even jail or kill them if it wants to. Real countries today are owned by stockholders, we call them banks, who hire managers who work for them.
We call this “government.”
This should explain why the two American political parties act the way they do. They really don’t exist. American history classes are filled with fun days and boring days. During the boring days, the teacher talks about monetary policies and banking. In 1791, Alexander Hamilton set up the Central Bank of the United States. It was controlled by England, our enemy, at least on the surface but was run by the Rothschilds. Jefferson saw that such a bank would turn America into a criminal empire. Jefferson favored “democracy” and Hamilton favored “conservatism” as expressed in “Federalism.”
There is a clear difference between these two. Federalism has always been based on elimination of personal liberties. A Federalist nation is a dictatorship of the wealthy where individual enterprise is squashed by syndicates and monopolies tied to the banks and the foreign owners of the banking system. Theoretically, a Federalist or Conservative government is one under foreign control through a central bank that funds a series of syndicates or monopolies that rule through government.
The idea of political parties and the Constitutional oddity of the “electoral college” and a Supreme Court that could overrule laws wanted by the people was how this foreign rule was to be implemented. The “rubber stamp” for this system was the Senate, a group chosen, not elected, until well into the 20th century. With vote restricted to larger land owners and successful merchants and political parties managed by the banks through control of capital, government had only one duty, protecting the owners and securing a ruling class.
During that same class that we all slept through, someone mentioned a Second Bank started in 1811. President Andrew Jackson hated this bank because he believed as so many do now, that “debt based currency” which we know as, well, what we carry in our pockets is nothing but a game that encourages economic manipulation and crashes that end up putting all wealth in the hands of speculators. You know what they are, Goldman Sachs/Wall Street types. Jackson took all government money out of the bank, fired two Secretaries of the Treasury to do it and fought back while our British and Rothschild masters tried to economically crush America in retaliation.
These are the reasons Presidents like Jefferson and Jackson were great men, reasons we don’t teach anymore. Even then, America was duped, milked for all it was worth by foreign groups that found the price tag that so many of our “better classes” were born with. If you wanted to find where they teach Americans to sell out, look to Harvard and Yale.
The final nail in Americas coffin was the establishment of the Federal Reserve in 1913 by Woodrow Wilson. The history books fail us totally when explaining “national banks” and “state banks” and money for planting season. We slip into a century of ignorance ending with today’s America with half the taxes we collect going to pay interest on money that never existed in the first place and all but 3% of the population ending up with nothing at all. 80% of the “Reagan millionaires” still around have a negative net worth. 40% of American home owners owe more than their homes are worth and wages and our standard of living has plummeted since 2000.
What have we become? We have spent ourselves into a century of poverty developing weapons and fighting wars for multi-national corporations, bankster thieves and massive international drug cartels that control the governments of every “free country” on earth from England to Israel to India to Germany and, especially, the United States of America. ... ... ...
Meanwhile, although slightly dated, I offer this as a counterpoint to PCR:-
Why is this a counterpoint to PCR?? I have posted numerous articles like the one you just posted concerning the fraudulent banking system and the evil Federal Reserve. You seem to think it is impossible for PCR to have the opinions he expresses. Why not applaud the man for putting his head above the parapet and showing a lead? He lambasts the Fed and the Bankers. If more of his kind followed his lead (there must be many in the US government!) this could still be fixed. We know the Fed has to be abolished but it will only ever happen if people wake up to it and that can only happen if leaders show a lead.
Erm - be your own leader? I offered Gordon Duff as an example of someone who tells it straight; someone with years of experience at the sharp end; someone who has no background of policy-wonk; someone who has been seriously damaged by the policies of the PCR's of this world.
How do you view types like Morgan Reynolds, for instance? Do you find him credible? Do you understand who his antecedents are and where they're coming from?
Get a handle on what "We will lead every revolution against us" really means. So either PCR has just not grasped this or he knows full well what it entails...
item8 wrote:
Why not applaud the man for putting his head above the parapet and showing a lead?
I'll say it one more time: Anyone advocating a vague, nebulous 'mass uprising' without providing focussed tools for doing so effectively is no 'leader of the holy flock', IMO.
I have nothing against PCR (or AJ for that matter) as a person yet he cannot escape his past deeds and policies - none of us can.
For instance, when he was in a position of power, why did he not work to revoke/overturn the Delaware Corporate Statutes. eg: Title 8, Chapter 1 ? If he had done so, none of the present global corporations would exist, let alone dominate our every thought and action. Instead he chose to fiddle with imaginary numbers...which led to the present global financial criminality.
I will admit to having a personal axe to grind here because my father, who also 'could have done something to stop it', was equally to blame for the present mess through lack of foresight when in a position of influence. _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
my father, who also 'could have done something to stop it', was equally to blame for the present mess through lack of foresight when in a position of influence.
Do I take it that if he views things differently with hindsight he must be forbidden such a view?
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I offered Gordon Duff as an example of someone who tells it straight;
I know all about Gordon Duff and read his articles regularly. I firmly believe Israel is behind 9/11 and the Fed is controlled by Zionists as he says. This is a different issue. Can nobody ever change their view when they become aware of things they did not previously know? I do not see Roberts as an imposter. It seems absurd.
Do I take it that if he views things differently with hindsight he must be forbidden such a view?
He's dead; did partially change his view just beforehand but the damage was done - back in the '50's devising the 'Supranational Corporation', getting cozy with what became the TABD.
To a certain extent, we seem to be talking at cross purposes, item8, for which I apologise.
No, I do not think characters like PCR, Perkins, Celente, whoever are 'imposters' - far from it... But they have certainly acted most effectively as 'useful idiots' for the Rothschilds before 'seeing the light'. It is therefore impossible to judge from their public outpourings just what their true agendas might be.
Have you read anything at all about Monarch and similar programs of mind control? This is not 'science fiction', according to deprogrammed victims...some of these methods do appear in the writings of the above mentioned...
I don't think it is possible to over-estimate the arrogance of the globally powerful psychopath and they do so love to sow FUD. Yet now it is not so effective, thanks to widely accessible knowledge of their schemes, they are more than likely to go to extremes, as in the GoM 'disaster', the stolen nukes, seeding the planet with GM & DU, etc etc.
"For the first time in human history, mankind is politically awaken. This is a total new reality subscript: and if I wasn't a hardened psychopath I would now be somewhat incontinent " - Zbigniew Brzezinski - after dinner chat at CFR, April 2010 _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
Death of the First Amendment - The Nazification of the United States
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Paul Craig Roberts
Sott.net
Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:16 CDT
Chuck Norris is no pinko-liberal-commie, and Human Events is a very conservative publication. The two have come together to produce one of the most important articles of our time, "Obama's US Assassination Program."
It seems only yesterday that Americans, or those interested in their civil liberties, were shocked that the Bush regime so flagrantly violated the FlSA law against spying on American citizens without a warrant. A federal judge serving on the FISA court even resigned in protest to the illegality of the spying.
Nothing was done about it. "National security" placed the president and executive branch above the law of the land. Civil libertarians worried that the US government was freeing its power from the constraints of law, but no one else seemed to care.
Encouraged by its success in breaking the law, the executive branch early this year announced that the Obama regime has given itself the right to murder Americans abroad if such Americans are considered a "threat." "Threat" was not defined and, thus, a death sentence would be issued by a subjective decision of an unaccountable official.
There was hardly a peep out of the public or the media. Americans and the media were content for the government to summarily execute traitors and turncoats, and who better to identify traitors and turncoats than the government with all its spy programs.
The problem with this sort of thing is that once it starts, it doesn't stop. As Norris reports citing Obama regime security officials, the next stage is to criminalize dissent and criticism of the government. The May 2010 National Security Strategy states: "We are now moving beyond traditional distinctions between homeland and national security. . . . This includes a determination to prevent terrorist attacks against the American people by fully coordinating the actions that we take abroad with the actions and precautions that we take at home."
Most Americans will respond that the "indispensable" US government would never confuse an American exercising First Amendment rights with a terrorist or an enemy of the state. But, in fact, governments always have. Even one of our Founding Fathers, John Adams and the Federalist Party, had their "Alien and Sedition Acts" which targeted the Republican press.
Few with power can brook opposition or criticism, especially when it is a simple matter for those with power to sweep away constraints upon their power in the name of "national security." Deputy National Security Adviser John Brennan recently explained that more steps are being taken, because of the growing number of Americans who have been "captivated by extremist ideology or causes." Notice that this phrasing goes beyond concern with Muslim terrorists.
In pursuit of hegemony over both the world and its own subjects, the US government is shutting down the First Amendment and turning criticism of the government into an act of "domestic extremism," a capital crime punishable by execution, just as it was in Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia.
Initially German courts resisted Hitler's illegal acts. Hitler got around the courts by creating a parallel court system, like the Bush regime did with its military tribunals. It won't be long before a decision of the US Supreme Court will not mean anything. Any decision that goes against the regime will simply be ignored.
This is already happening in Canada, an American puppet state. Writing for the Future of Freedom Foundation, Andy Worthington documents the lawlessness of the US trial of Canadian Omar Khadr. In January of this year, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that the interrogation of Khadr constituted "state conduct that violates the principles of fundamental justice" and "offends the most basic Canadian standards about the treatment of detained youth suspects." According to the Toronto Star, the Court instructed the government to "shape a response that reconciled its foreign policy imperatives with its constitutional obligations to Khadr," but the puppet prime minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, ignored the Court and permitted the US government to proceed with its lawless abuse of a Canadian citizen.
September 11 destroyed more than lives, World Trade Center buildings, and Americans' sense of invulnerability. The event destroyed American liberty, the rule of law and the US Constitution.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during President Reagan's first term. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. He has held numerous academic appointments, including the William E. Simon Chair, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University, and Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. He was awarded the Legion of Honor by French President Francois Mitterrand. He is the author of several books including: War of the worlds: How the economy was lost; Supply-Side Revolution: An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington; Alienation and the Soviet Economy; Meltdown: Inside the Soviet Economy, and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice.
_________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
GORDON DUFF: WHY AMERICA MUST HAVE AN ANTI-WAR UPRISING
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IS THE SILENCE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE COMPLICITY IN WAR CRIMES?
By Gordon Duff
I am not against war. I am a combat veteran. I sit on my tail, watch TV, go to restaurants and have fond delusional memories about Vietnam. In my bedroom closet, I have a trash bag. It is never opened, it has been there for years. It has, along with other “military mementos,” a small green “government issued” address book. Marines, long ago, scrawled their names in it. Half of them never came back from Vietnam, never had children, grandchildren, got to finish college or even high school. Many, maybe most, had never had sex, owned a car or travelled more than 50 miles from home.
Their lives were stolen, stolen then and we are doing it every day, maybe not the numbers, not on such a grand scale, but the lessons of Vietnam have more than been forgotten. The brightest time in American history, another “greatest generation” may well have been the one that stopped an evil and corrupt war. That generation saw the cost. Only the young, the young and the parents of those the war destroyed knew Vietnam. America simply turned away, a nation of, do we call them, do we call us, cowards? Is there another term?
Of the two to three million that survived, a hundred thousand were seriously physically disabled and a million more suffered lifelong Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. Not long after coming home, another 50,000 would die, some of mysterious illnesses, many by suicide. 50,000 or more went to prison, some for a few years, some are still there. One of my closest friends, LCpl. Daniel K. Staggs, winner of the Silver Star, would die in prison. A stabbing.
By 1972, only a few troops were in Vietnam, fighting a “rear guard” holding action while America pretended it had won “peace with honor” at the bargaining table in Paris. A monster named Henry Kissinger won a Nobel Prize for that farce. Have we no shame?
The vast majority of Americans didn’t have 30 seconds a day to watch news about the war, not a minute a month to think about it, much less do something, take a stand for what was right. These are the people that love to hear about hippies and airport spitters. These people love Ollie North and John McCain, cartoon heroes for a nation too dead inside to care. Scary terrorists and endless wars are bread and butter for the “drugstore Marine” and “Hanoi John.” You don’t know them by these names, the monikers they were tagged with by their fellow officers after Vietnam?
Carefully hear what they say, that pair of bloated peddlers of death. Are they continually undermining America through the fear and mistrust their every word sews while they rake in millions? Why are men like this whose pasts reek of the worst abuses imaginable, allowed to dishonor our dead while strutting around playing hero? Why has their real history been buried though the stench remains?
Vietnam had real heroes. They aren’t flying in private jets, eating at the finest restaurants, 58,000 of them came home dead, many in pieces, some burned to cinders.
It wasn’t just the 58,000 dead or the 50,000 soon to die or the maimed or damaged, the imprisoned or the endless thousands poisoned with Agent Orange. Oh, did we tell you that Agent Orange may have killed more Vietnam veterans than total combat deaths in World War II?
According to Israeli officials, there are more holocaust survivors than living Vietnam veterans.
This isn’t news, no more than dozens dying each day from Gulf War Illness,no more than the Iraq/Afghanistan vet than commits suicide every 36 hours.
Vietnam was a scam. The South Vietnamese government was brutal and corrupt, hated by all. North Vietnam was never part of a communist conspiracy to infiltrate America and force the evils of communism on our children.
When more documents are declassified and the lying slows down, I am absolutely certain that the first Gulf War is going to turn out to be a scam also. It is out there, the reason Saddam invaded Kuwait, and when it comes out, the Americans responsible for misleading us into war after war after war will will die of old age, honored and respected with their offshore bank accounts brimming with blood money.
The countless dead were forgotten long ago being the “un-newsworthy” lot they were.
We already know, we and our gutless British cousins, that Bush and Blair and their cronies sent hundreds of thousands to war in 2003 based on, not only lies, but a plot to undermine the democratic freedoms of both governments and prestage the western world in their own image, totalitarian, interventionist and totally owned and operated by an international cabal of financial criminals. We got that “New World Order” that “Pappy” Bush promised us in his “points of light” speech.
What we got was an end to America as we know it, a government taking orders from Tel Aviv and a “New World Order” economy now openly looting the world, eating away even America’s standard of living and flushing it down the toilet, turning it into a debt-ridden third world hell hole.
The Romans gave away bread and amused the public with blood drenched spectacles in the arena. Our “bread and circuses” game is Islamophobia, phony “self induced” terrorism and exploitation of sub-human racial hatreds thinly veiled under the childish misnomer of “conservatism.” Anyone who isn’t suspicious of 9/11, the TV spectacular whose original cast of “19″ now includes thousands, as years of credible research and investigation has proven, will gladly send others to die in their name around the world. Ignorance is complicity. Anyone who doesn’t realize that the Bush cover story, now being resold under the “Ground Zero Mosque” label, is the most outlandish “conspiracy theory” in history is capable of cheerleading any sociopathic political clown from Caligula to Hitler to Cheney.
We have to end our war because America can no longer trust itself. With all of Americas media outlets owned by defense firms, lets call them “war profiteers” and be honest about it or citizens of the State of Israel, a “huckster” nation, smaller than Vermont that is the third largest weapons exporter in the world, no American can be certain about anything, what is true or false, what is fact, what is myth. Every day every American is told two things. Don’t trust your government. Don’t trust your press. Both things are correct.
The problem, of course, is that those that control the message control both the government and the press. The “new” government they continually offer is always the “old government” and the new lies are always the old lies, enemies, new plots, new fears.
If what you believe is based on what you hear and see, whether it is an airplane crashing into a building or someone telling you that ending years of corrupt tax abatements for billionaires is going to end the world, something is always being kept from you. That something is what is true, what is real. “But I saw it!” Yes, you saw something then someone explained it all. What you want to do is ask yourself, who made money from this? Who can control the news?
Where do the real conspirators live, caves in Afghanistan or inside the Beltway in Washington or the coffee shops of Tel Aviv. Did I forget London?
A few months ago, we learned that 824,000 Americans have top secret security clearances. How much do you think those nearly one million people know that would shock or sicken you?
I hope this isn’t news to you, but most of history’s wars were started with a “false flag” attack. A government attacks its own people to justify what it, out of delusion, tells itself is going to be best for everyone in the long run. The fact that billions, even trillions is made, not made, really stolen, is never spoken of.
Nobody attacks a nation with 70% of the world’s military might. It would only attack itself, “with a little help from its friends.”
How is America dealing with Afghanistan? Though a few lunatics are still running around talking about poor dead Osama bin Laden and imaginary Al Qaeda, the mysterious worldwide conspiracy of cab drivers, waiters and dishwashers. Didn’t we see this in the movie Fight Club? What is the first rule of Fight Club? I am not allowed to tell you.
Whenever Al Qaeda, the mythical “Fight Club” clone steps onto the scene, after the phony press reads their scripts, “Building 7 has just collapsed even though nothing hit it…..no wait a minute….oh…Building 7 is going to mysteriously collapse in two hours they are telling me now….(parody of BBC 9/11 “error”)
Many years ago, there was a popular TV series called Dallas. The underlying story was about competition between two brothers. After a couple of seasons, one brother, Bobby Ewing, tragically died. The actor playing the part, Patrick Duffy, wanted to leave the show. The next season, Duffy reconsidered his decision. The network simply raised him from the dead, begining an episode where he is suddenly alive again, taking a shower.
The BBC coverage of Building 7 at the World Trade Center is another “Bobby Ewing returns from the dead” thing. Two episodes later, viewers will forget. More Americans remember the shock of seeing Bobby Ewing alive in the shower than “accidentally” hearing the report of a major disaster than hadn’t happened yet.
What do you say of a generation of Americans who can’t say Palestinian without adding “terrorist” but watch cluster bombs being dropped on playgrounds in Gaza and are willing to accept it as “poor frightened Israel” protecting herself. This is the kind of ignorance that begged 9/11 and was amply rewarded. This is the kind of ignorance that will burn an American city to the ground with a “terrorist nuke” simply to remove Iran from competition in the oil and gas pipeline business.
Oh, newspapers don’t report such things, not on the sports pages anyway.
Millions of Americans are in a rage about an Islamic center being built in lower Manhattan because of sabre rattling by an Israeli run news organization commonly known as Fox. Hundreds of hours have been spent railing at terrorists funding the project. This week, a competing network, on a very popular news program, the genuinely humorous Daily Show with Jon Stewart, pointed out that the primary funding for what Fox News calls “the terrorist mosque” is one of the primary owners of Fox News.
I keep seeing Bobby Ewing in the shower and the lame BBC reporter telling about the building withering to the ground, as CBS News anchor, Dan Rather described it, “as though someone had planted dynamite.”
Over 40 years ago, Americans of conscience went to the streets to end a war. They saved more than just the lives of American soldiers and Vietnamese civilians, they restored Americas honor.
Control of American education and media, whether by Zionists, right wing fanatics, thieving banksters or a coalition of “evildoers” combining all three, has attempted to rewrite history. We are told mobs in airports attacked returning soldiers. We are told thousands of Americans died because of protests, not because of Kissinger’s lies.
Those who know better are still alive, some still awake and too many silent.
A generation of soldiers, now men and women, return from war, maimed, crushed and thrown away. 21st century America sees nothing, not the corruption, the narcotics, the lies, the evil in what has gone on so long in the name of the people of the United States.
What is war? All war is class struggle. If we still had more communists around, they would remind us. Rich people start wars, poor people die and resources are stolen, banks emptied and all of it hidden behind flag waving and childish scare tactics. War is part of the grander plan. Is war politics or is it economics?
At one point in the last 2 years, it was estimated there there were as few as 12 “potential Al Qaeda suspects” in Afghanistan.
The person reading my water meter is a “potential suspect.” To a paranoid or law enforcement officer, anything that moves is a “person of interest.” A “suspect” is a person of interest who isn’t sleeping or dead.
Thousands of such “suspects” have been kidnapped and tortured by the United States over the last decade. The vast majority were released, some with millions in cash to shut them up, some died and a few were railroaded to criminal convictions based on false testimony and phony evidence.
Who would want to protest against that? Would you want to die to defend that? Your children already have.
_________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
My quote from a Dandelion Salad piece kind of sums up what I feel about endless talk. Maybe that is a mirror to Thermates frustrations also?
It is becoming quite clear to me that the voiceless millions are happy in their voicelessness, and happy in their complicity to War and Terror, just so long as their privileges are not taken away? Wow how many more privileges do we need to lose?
Quote:
OK so its good at saying what's going on but doesn't say who funds it who controls it and any means to stop it?
Who calls the shots?
The House Of Windsor?
The Zionists?
Who's idea was Israel?
Why has Kashmir been left in limbo the same as Palestine?
Who benefits, and why?
In short my point is why commentate if you have no solutions? So many people choose to write x=y and it's like 'This is the picture, you can't change it' They are quite crushing really, maybe that is the idea?
As I said above, if widespread war does break out (which I'm convinced is the plan, with all this Eugenics talk as last seen in 1920s) there really is nothing we can do for the best, its all down to the hope that we get through in one piece, with at least some semblance of sanity left
_________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
If talking is so unimportant why do authoritarian regimes try so hard to suppress free speech? Why "free speech zones" to herd protesters out of the main thoroughfares as in the USA? Why so many police to "control" them? Why ban some literature as totalitarian regimes always do? Why the new efforts to control the Internet? Why all the wiretapping in the USA? Why do "they" own all the media?? "They" seem to known the importance of talk, or as I prefer to call it, information. The fact is that movements for change begin with people exchanging their views and if there is sufficient momentum achieved then action is the result. The Vietnam war was stopped because groups of people "talked" then organised themselves and eventually direct action was taken. Paul Craig Roberts is an important individual in offering a credible alternative to the mainstream lies. It may just be a start but the people are waking up in huge numbers to the reality of 9/11 and that is how it has to begin - by being informed.
Sorry I should have made it clearer to what post I responded to
It was a commentary to what in his (the Authors) view was a likely outcome to aggression. It didn't address the root causes or actors in the mire
It often feels that is all we do here, trying not to upset others and wotnot _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
It may just be a start but the people are waking up in huge numbers to the reality of 9/11 and that is how it has to begin - by being informed.
But informed correctly, succinctly and above all effectively. ISTM most articles over the last 10 years have documented symptoms rather than causes. Getting to the information that would allow concerned citizens of the world to work in concert, out of individual certitude(!), have been buried so deeply that only sheer persistence (coupled with previous generations foresight to archive them) will bring to light the true state of affairs.
I often use Kubrick's 'Eyes wide shut' as an example of how even the best intentions can be rendered meaningless by 'dark satanic forces'. Yet look how difficult it is to get even tenacious researchers to grapple with Dutroux, Franklin, Boystown etc.
Someone who could condense Carr, Mullins & Springmeier into easily digestible 10 minute blips* would be doing the world a far better service than anything coming out of the so-called 'alternative' press (eg: Alternet, Counterpunch, Truthout, ThinkProgress) - most funded by circuitous routes by the very people they profess to abhor!
* IMO, that recent John Perkins cartoon you posted gets it right for a starter. It also implies that many concerned people don't have even a predilection (schooling bred it out of most, I guess?) to get down to reading and learning how they might survive the machinations of the 13 families, let alone bring them to justice.
Unfortunately cartoons and generalised articles on the need for revolution cannot convey the sheer depth and magnitude of the evils about to engulf them. If 9/11 had broken through the fable a couple of years ago, it wouldn't matter so much but most people reading all this 'alternative reality' we promote as sane really don't have any time left to get up to speed and make sensible dispositions, post 'Darth Cheney Strikes Another Blow for the CFR'.
It's down to Gage and his odd BuildingWhat? primetime teeeveee ad - last chance jolt, IMO - if THAT doesn't work then its time to give up helping 'build the numbers' and concentrate on getting our 'own houses in order' as sovereign individuals.
IMO, as ever...I ramble as I grieve for humanity; so much potential, so many mistakes but above all, never sufficient collective knowledge to uncover an ancient plot to enslave us all.
Only this time it's different. Will apathy and ignorance win despite the knowledge on offer? I still doubt it but as Castro just said, hypothesis at present would be science fiction... _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
Think of the people you meet every day,
Think of the characters they try to portray.
They hide what they're thinking hide what they feel,
In an age of hypocrisy nothing is real.
Faces are just curtains of stone,
That hides their true feelings 'till they're alone.
Who can you say that you really know?
You see only the façade they wish to show.
Is it that they are weak or afraid?
They live out their lives in this masquerade.
They are all clowns behind a painted smile.
They tried to enchant, persuade or beguile.
Faceless with no thoughts or ideals,
Transparent reflections, nothing is real.
They cling to their idols echo their lives,
But it's only a front, a place they can hide.
Their own minds suppressed from birth to the grave,
Enacting their lives in this masquerade.
I look at myself am I the same,
I try to find out if I play the game.
Which side of my soul does everyone see?
The face that I show is it really me?
There's no way of knowing if I play a part,
Is my true self left in the dark?
Am I for real, or what I am made?
Or am I just part of this masquerade? _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
He is the king of all the land
In the Kingdom of the sands
Of a time tomorrow.
He rules the sandworms and the Fremen
In a land amongst the stars
Of an age tomorrow.
He is destined to be a King
He rules over everything
On the land called planet Dune.
Bodywater is your life
And without it you would die
On the desert the planet Dune.
Without a stillsuit you would fry
On the sands so hot and dry
In a world called Arrakis.
It is a land that's rich in spice
The sandriders and the "mice"
That they call the "Muad'Dib".
He is the Kwizatz Haderach.
He is born of Caladan
And will take the Gom Jabbar.
He has the power to foresee
Or to look into the past
He is the ruler of the stars
The time will come for him
to lay claim his crown,
And then the foe yes
they'll be cut down,
You'll see he'll be the
best that there's been,
Messiah supreme
true leader of men,
And when the time
for judgement's at hand
Don't fret he's strong
and he'll make a stand,
Against evil and fire
That spreads through the land,
He has the power
to make it all end.
Oh no no delete button. Moved post to right thread _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
Americans: Too Gullible, Too Uneducated, Too Jingoistic to Remain a Free People - We Are Officially a Police State
Saturday, September 25, 2010
"An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let "their" government get away with 9/11."
It Is Official: The US Is A Police State
By Paul Craig Roberts
On September 24, Jason Ditz reported on Antiwar.com that "the FBI is confirming that this morning they began a number of raids against the homes of antiwar activists in Illinois, Minneapolis, Michigan, and North Carolina, claiming that they are ‘seeking evidence relating to activities concerning the material support of terrorism.’"
Now we know what Homeland Security (sic) secretary Janet Napolitano meant when she said on September 10: "The old view that ‘if we fight the terrorists abroad, we won’t have to fight them here’ is just that — the old view." The new view, Napolitano said, is "to counter violent extremism right here at home."
"Violent extremism" is one of those undefined police state terms that will mean whatever the government wants it to mean. In this morning’s FBI foray into the homes of American citizens of conscience, it means antiwar activists, whose activities are equated with "the material support of terrorism," just as conservatives equated Vietnam era antiwar protesters with giving material support to communism.
Antiwar activist Mick Kelly, whose home was raided, sees the FBI raids as harassment to intimidate those who organize war protests. I wonder if Kelly is underestimating the threat. The FBI’s own words clearly indicate that the federal police agency and the judges who signed the warrants do not regard antiwar protesters as Americans exercising their Constitutional rights, but as unpatriotic elements offering material support to terrorism.
"Material support" is another of those undefined police state terms. In this context the term means that Americans who fail to believe their government’s lies and instead protest its policies, are supporting their government’s declared enemies and, thus, are not exercising their civil liberties but committing treason.
As this initial FBI foray is a softening up move to get the public accustomed to the idea that the real terrorists are their fellow citizens here at home, Kelly will get off this time. But next time the FBI will find emails on his computer from a "terrorist group" set up by the CIA that will incriminate him. Under the practices put in place by the Bush and Obama regimes, and approved by corrupt federal judges, protesters who have been compromised by fake terrorist groups can be declared "enemy combatants" and sent off to Egypt, Poland, or some other corrupt American puppet state — Canada perhaps — to be tortured until confession is forthcoming that antiwar protesters and, indeed, every critic of the US government, are on Osama bin Laden’s payroll.
Almost every Republican and conservative and, indeed, the majority of Americans will fall for this, only to find, later, that it is subversive to complain that their Social Security was cut in the interest of the war against Iran or some other demonized entity, or that they couldn’t have a Medicare operation because the wars in Central Asia and South America required the money.
Americans are the most gullible people who ever existed. They tend to support the government instead of the Constitution, and almost every Republican and conservative regards civil liberty as a coddling device that encourages criminals and terrorists.
The US media, highly concentrated in violation of the American principle of a diverse and independent media, will lend its support to the witch hunts that will close down all protests and independent thought in the US over the next few years. As the Nazi leader Joseph Goebbels said, "think of the press as a great keyboard on which the Government can play."
An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let "their" government get away with 9/11. Americans are too gullible, too uneducated, and too jingoistic to remain a free people. As another Nazi leader Herman Goering said, "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace-makers for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger."
This is precisely what the Bush and Obama regimes have done. America, as people of my generation knew it, no longer exists.
Americans: Too Gullible, Too Uneducated, Too Jingoistic to Remain a Free People - We Are Officially a Police State
Saturday, September 25, 2010
"An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let "their" government get away with 9/11."
It Is Official: The US Is A Police State
By Paul Craig Roberts
You beat me to it,
On September 24, Jason Ditz reported on Antiwar.com that "the FBI is confirming that this morning they began a number of raids against the homes of antiwar activists in Illinois, Minneapolis, Michigan, and North Carolina, claiming that they are ‘seeking evidence relating to activities concerning the material support of terrorism.’"
Now we know what Homeland Security (sic) secretary Janet Napolitano meant when she said on September 10: "The old view that ‘if we fight the terrorists abroad, we won’t have to fight them here’ is just that — the old view." The new view, Napolitano said, is "to counter violent extremism right here at home."
"Violent extremism" is one of those undefined police state terms that will mean whatever the government wants it to mean. In this morning’s FBI foray into the homes of American citizens of conscience, it means antiwar activists, whose activities are equated with "the material support of terrorism," just as conservatives equated Vietnam era antiwar protesters with giving material support to communism.
Antiwar activist Mick Kelly, whose home was raided, sees the FBI raids as harassment to intimidate those who organize war protests. I wonder if Kelly is underestimating the threat. The FBI’s own words clearly indicate that the federal police agency and the judges who signed the warrants do not regard antiwar protesters as Americans exercising their Constitutional rights, but as unpatriotic elements offering material support to terrorism.
"Material support" is another of those undefined police state terms. In this context the term means that Americans who fail to believe their government’s lies and instead protest its policies, are supporting their government’s declared enemies and, thus, are not exercising their civil liberties but committing treason.
As this initial FBI foray is a softening up move to get the public accustomed to the idea that the real terrorists are their fellow citizens here at home, Kelly will get off this time. But next time the FBI will find emails on his computer from a "terrorist group" set up by the CIA that will incriminate him. Under the practices put in place by the Bush and Obama regimes, and approved by corrupt federal judges, protesters who have been compromised by fake terrorist groups can be declared "enemy combatants" and sent off to Egypt, Poland, or some other corrupt American puppet state — Canada perhaps — to be tortured until confession is forthcoming that antiwar protesters and, indeed, every critic of the US government, are on Osama bin Laden’s payroll.
Almost every Republican and conservative and, indeed, the majority of Americans will fall for this, only to find, later, that it is subversive to complain that their Social Security was cut in the interest of the war against Iran or some other demonized entity, or that they couldn’t have a Medicare operation because the wars in Central Asia and South America required the money.
Americans are the most gullible people who ever existed. They tend to support the government instead of the Constitution, and almost every Republican and conservative regards civil liberty as a coddling device that encourages criminals and terrorists.
The US media, highly concentrated in violation of the American principle of a diverse and independent media, will lend its support to the witch hunts that will close down all protests and independent thought in the US over the next few years. As the Nazi leader Joseph Goebbels said, "think of the press as a great keyboard on which the Government can play."
An American Police State was inevitable once Americans let "their" government get away with 9/11. Americans are too gullible, too uneducated, and too jingoistic to remain a free people. As another Nazi leader Herman Goering said, "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace-makers for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger."
This is precisely what the Bush and Obama regimes have done. America, as people of my generation knew it, no longer exists.
You beat me to it, item8; while many of us chase our tails, the FBI start their 'softening-up' process towards Martial Law.
'Heil Obomba!' 'NWO Uber Alles!' Sheeple, start choosing your favorite butcher (preferably, Kosher)! _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Americans living in a police state? Short video interview with Roberts commenting on the FBI raids on the homes of anti-war "Activists". He says the real targets of the government are 9/11 truthers.
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