Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:00 am Post subject: Symbology in Chilean Mine Rescue?
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I woke up with all this Chile stuff on my mind and these are the thoughts that came to me...
33 miners were trapped for 33 days before drilling began to release them. 33 days later the drill broke through allowing in the light (note, that is 666). To freemasonry and the illuminati (how do you separate one from the other), 33 degrees is known as the number of the master and as the deadly deception.
3 days later, on the 13th day of the 10th month, the capsule "Phoenix" rose from the (ashes/pit) mine, all overseen by the five pointed star of the Chilean flag. The phoenix is a representation of the sun god, which is pagan and where much of catholocism was stolen from and the bible pretty much tells us the church is the whore of babylon.
This story is being covered non stop as the lead on every tv channel, radio station and all the front pages - ensuring no one misses the message. The headlines today include: Back from the Dead! Reborn! and Salvation! According to reports, the Chileans are taking this rescue as a "miracle" - no less - and Obama said this story "had inspired the whole world".
Seems to me the devil has just announced his return to the world.
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yesterday 913/10/10 was a well known date it was said aliens will make an appearance, so we knew something was going to happen. And it did, 33 and 13 are very powerful numbers. These guys returned to the light. It's very symbolic even the bloody name of the capsule.
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Didn't any of hear about what happened in NY? The "big" alien show...
Can't quite tell what was captured on the first video in the daylight, but the other video is of an obvious night time hologram.
Stay tuned... I'm sure this is just the beginning of their deception.
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I know it's a great story these miners being rescued but one can't help seeing much of this has been staged. They all look in pretty good health to me, what have they got shower and sink down there for shaving etc ?
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very very interesting, funny on an Irish radio show this morning much to my shock the presenter said in quite a scathing tone what did the miners have a laundrey down there, he said they looked fresh and laundered with crisp cuffs, he then moved quickly on, it led me to think he didn't fall for the deception either, yes that would be fascinating to find out why in chili what the big significance is there,
anybody who believes in real ufo's right now should be ashamed to call themselves awake or aware
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Judging history and the religion of the area Staunch Roman Catholics I expect the whole event will have deep repercussions :0 _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject:
The mine was closed because it was too dangerous then reopened after bribes were paid
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Collapsed Chilean mine 'reopened after bribes', despite fatal accidents
Nico Hines From: The Times August 30, 2010 10:19AM
THE Chilean mine where 33 men are trapped should not have been allowed to reopen after fatal accidents forced its closure, say officials and miners.
Alejandro Garcia-Huidobro, chairman of the parliamentary committee investigating the tunnel collapse, has lent his support to widespread allegations of corruption and bribery surrounding the reopening in 2008 of the San Jose mine in Chile's Atacama desert.
A 40-tonne drill is scheduled to begin excavating an escape chute for the stranded miners today. However, The Times has been told that the men should never have been working in a mine that had not passed the necessary safety inspections.
San Esteban Primera lost its licence to operate the mine in 2007 after a spate of accidents in which 16 people died. A year later, a junior official inside Sernageomin, the mining regulator, formally cleared the company, according to Alejandro Vio, former head of Sernageomin. Mr Vio told a parliamentary hearing that work restarted at the mine without following the established procedure or carrying out inspections.
The Mayor of Caldera, Brunilda Gonzalez, claimed that the failure of Sernageomin to follow procedure had been motivated by corruption. “There has been a bribe,” she said. “There has been influence-peddling and negligence on the part of the state and public officials.”
Mr Garcia-Huidobro, asked about these allegations in a radio interview on Saturday, said that “all MPs are aware that there was something strange”. He added: “This is the only mine we have investigated that opened despite irregularities, which means pressure had been applied.”
Good 1 even the Inverted Pentagram Flag and Embracing an Unpopular Pro Western President hmm but then where do you draw my thoughts on the matter? Must be the weird comment ha?
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“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
Initially, officials had said all would be there for a full 48 hours after emerging from the mine.
But Jaime Manalich said some would probably be able to leave on Thursday
All but a few of the men emerged in very good health, officials said.
Mr Manalich said many had been unable to sleep, wanted to talk with families and were anxious. One was treated for pneumonia, and two needed dental work.
Dr. Guillermo Swett said miner Jimmy Sanchez, at 19, the youngest of the group and the father of a 4-month-old baby, appeared to be having a hard time adjusting and seemed depressed.
"He spoke very little and didn't seem to connect," Dr Swett said.
Jubilation erupted at the San Jose mine as the last of the 33 Chilean miners trapped half a mile underground was brought safely to the surface.
Luis Urzua, 54, took his first breath of fresh air for 69 days, bringing a joyous ending to an ordeal that has riveted the world.
He ascended smoothly through 2,000 feet of rock, completing a 22-and-a-half-hour rescue operation that unfolded with remarkable speed and flawless execution.
Stepping out of Phoenix 2, the metal capsule that brought each of the miners to the surface, he hugged the Chilean president.
Mr Urzua, who was the foreman of the miners, had volunteered to be the last one up. Like the captain of a ship he refused to leave until he knew all his men were safe.
"Thank you very much for being strong enough to remain down there until last," said the voice of a rescuer as he approached the surface.
There were huge smiles and tears of joy on the faces of relatives who have held a vigil at the top of the mine.
Mr Urzua said: "It was hard, that was a shift of 70 days. We have done an excellent job, we have done what the entire world was waiting for.
"The first several days, I can't even explain it, but we had strength, we had spirit, we wanted to fight. We wanted to fight for our families, that was the greatest thing. I thought I was in a movie." He said the hardest moment was when the men saw the rocks that had fallen into the mine, trapping them.
Mr Pinera told him he had been a "good captain" and the two men led rescuers in a rendition of Chile's national anthem.
Many of the miners' relatives who hadn't joined the men at their bedside in hospital in nearby Copiapo had decided to stay in camp until the final one was raised from the deep.
The son of Pablo Rojas, the 19th man to come out, said the entire experience had been amazing.
"I will keep the hard hat he came up in as a souvenir to remind us daily of what we have been through," said Micheal Rojas. "I feel so proud of him, of all of them, he has survived 70 days down there. This day is a proud day for all of Chile." Those at Camp Hope, near the mine, gathered in front a huge screen outside the canteen tent to watch a live feed. Tired but happy faces gaze up at screen.
"This is the moment we have been waiting for," said the sister of miner Darius Segovia. Round after round of "Viva Chile!" rang out around the camp.
Darwin Cortez, brother of miner Pedro Cortez, the 31st miner up, sprayed champagne across the crowd.
He said: "Thank god, thank god. They are all safe. It's a miracle!"
One by one throughout the day, the miners had emerged to the cheers of exuberant Chileans and before the eyes of a transfixed globe.
The operation picked up speed as the day went on, but each miner was greeted with the same boisterous applause from rescuers.
"Welcome to life," Mr Pinera told Victor Segovia, the 15th miner out.
They rejoined a world intensely curious about their ordeal, and certain to offer fame and jobs.
Previously unimaginable riches awaited men who had risked their lives going into the unstable gold and copper mine for about $1,600 (£1,000) a month.
The rescue began at midnight on Tuesday when the Phoenix 2 pod was lowered to where 700,000 tons of rock collapsed on Aug 5 and entombed the men.
Then, after a quick pep talk from rescue workers who had descended into the mine, the men were brought up one at a time as quickly as every 25 minutes.
They were monitored by video on the way up for any sign of panic. They had oxygen masks, dark glasses to protect their eyes from the unfamiliar sunlight and sweaters for the jarring transition from subterranean swelter to chilly desert air.
Miners emerged looking healthier than many had expected and several punched the air in celebration.
"Tonight we experienced a night we will never forget – full of emotion, full of joy," says President Pinera. _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Why the 33 day wait before a 20something hour mission? I know there where some logistical problems but....why not a 32 day wait?
Acrobat I'm still thinking on this
My mind is open I am asking Q's. The post is in quotes so not my opinion
You get my point? Embracing an Unpopular Pro Western President?
Have they unveiled a new Messiah to rule over this part of South America?
Trying to dismantle the South American Leftist collective no doubt.
and an area steeped in Catholicism _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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How does one do this in reality though? Blackmail? You talk I'll break your legs?
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I just took this from another status...
"They v been banned from speaking to the media about their work conditions...the T.V.media coverage was very much "El Presidente" , I ws almost sick when they telivised The Chlean Pres on the phone to Cameron and praising Cameron on his good... work in Britain,so there you go, 69 days in a tomb only to be free'd into a corporate controlled matrix where you're free as long as you keep your gob shut, and the old adedge of the definition of a polititcal manipulation is stronger than ever "find a crowd and get in front of it " ...... its fantastic and emotive to see them free and re united but very sad to see them being used by meglamaniac sociopaths who's main intrest is their own power and profit.. the very fact theyv been told to keep quiet means nothing has changed......lets hope not...."
What makes this interesting is the ban on talking to the media. They have basically been paid off to keep quite, so why aren't they allowed to talk to the media ?
I smell a big stinking rat here !!
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Chilean Miners Rescue Is A Brilliant Government Stage-Managed Affair
CHILEAN miners are emerging from the earth. The excitement mounts; it can only be a matter of hours before the massed desk chimps denounce the Illuminati conspiracy.
This is not a rescue of 33 miners trapped for 69 days. (69ers eh? Nudge, nudge just like the Yukon Gold Miners). The chimps will tell us it is a diabolical Chilean plot to resurrect its 30th President and lead mass murderer General Augusto José Ramón Pinochet who has been underground for a whole four years.
Wait for the McCann link. It will be buried in there by some of the typing ghosts which infest too often..
*! I’ve broken the scoop. (Let us know if you see or hear it; Our Maddie’s been spotted in Chile.)
It took until the 18th miner was soaring into the sun of the Chilean desert for the assembled hacks to mention the Pichochet link with one local journo saying Chile is and, disappointingly will always be, associated with the terrible reign Margaret Thatcher’s pal imposed on the Chilean population.
There are those who remember the thousands of disappeared (murdered) and the football stadiums which took thousands through but none out of the turnstiles.
There are those who still remember when Chile, South Africa and other brutal governments caused pink liberals to moan that Grannies Smith were delightful this year “… but why oh why is all good fruit Fascist?” The moans didn’t stop the good fruit reaching liberal tables. And, then, Pinochet did stop Communism’s march, although it was through fascism.
As for the miners, Piñera has dismissed top officials of Chile’s mining agency and has sworn to strip out and revamp the department after the accident. Eighteen mines have already been hammered shut following this San José accident and another 300 may be forced to halt digging..
So, even if these escaping miners want to return to their sub-surface toils there may be no mines for them to work in.
Relatives have started the first lawsuits against the company and a judge has frozen most of the company’s assets.
Despite all the above, the rescue has made compelling tv and President Piñera’s ratings are soaring.
It has been a brilliant government stage-managed affair but the ramifications will rumble on until there is a fairer deal for Chile’s miners _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Tonight, Tuesday the 12th of October at midnight, the daring rescue efforts of the teams of mining experts in Chile will bring to the surface the first of 33 trapped miners. Of course midnight tonight is also known as October 13th! Three different rescue shafts were being drilled in this effort to bring the trapped miners to the surface. We’re working on verifying the fact that the first successful attempt came after 33 days of drilling, an attempt by the second team of experts. This timing appears to be verified in this news article : http://www.thestate.com/2010/10/08/1504189/escape-shaft-nearly-reaches -chiles.html
The Canadian team ran into difficulties about a week and a half ago and were delayed in their efforts. The initial rescue effort was also unsuccessful in reaching their target.
What exactly are the mystery schools up to? Can this be anything but an insult to the sheople?
Update : First miner rescued at 12:11 local time at the minesite.
Chilean President Sebastián Piñera mentions that today, October 13th, is the “magic number”, spoken shortly after the first miner reaches the surface.
2:56 AM mine-site time – BBC announces that 3 different Pheonix capsules are being used in the rescue effort. Pheonix 1 was a prototype, Pheonix 2 is currently being used, and Pheonix 3 will replace unit #2 if any problems arise.
33 miners rescued after 33 days
Rescued using the “Phoenix” rescue capsule
The company is Layne Christensen Co…. of Mission Woods, Kansas (about 5 miles from me)
They also do sub contracting work in Afghanistan, which means they’re tied in.
Their company logo is the all-seeing eye:
Their revenue is about a quarter of a billion / year
Their stock is up today by almost 5% (never underestimate a clever marketing campaign):
Their president is Andrew B. Schmitt and he makes at least $1 million a year at Layne alone, but is also director of Unitog (the uniform company) and Reynolds Transport (a trucking outfit he incorporated), both here in KC.
Lastly, I find it interesting that this melodramatic charade to save human lives was not in such a rush that they didn’t have time to stop for photo ops with the special drill and rescue capsule, even allowing the daughter of one of the trapped miners to get inside of the special tube and make sure it was “comfortable”. Reminds me of all those pity-pics we see of starving children in Africa. I’m sure that if I ever saw a starving child the first thing I’d want to grab is my camera…
Did you see that 69 days from today (the number of days they were trapped as well) ,October 13th, is December 21st – the last day before the sun is lost for on the horizon for 3 days – before being risen and reborn on December 25th…69 = “As Above, So Below” – yin-yang – the universal man – the brotherhood of man – salvation by works…
That’s interesting…I was looking at this video a second ago and felt that the symbolism seemed relevant. The 9th guy to get taken out of there, wearing a shirt with an upside down five-pointed star. He was in the main picture about the story on MSN’s home page.
- Copiapó was said to be the site of an unidentified flying object sighting in 1864. According to researcher Chris Aubeck, [12] the story first appeared in print in the March 18, 1868 issue of the newspaper El Constituyente, which was itself cited in the journal The Zoologist then in Lo!, a 1931 book by American investigator Charles Fort. Fort’s account was the basis of a later account in Anatomy of a Phenomenon (1965) by ufologist Jacques Vallee.
- Aubeck reports that the original newspaper article described the object as “an enormous bird.” (Phoenix?-SDW)
source: http://wapedia.mobi/en/Copiap%C3%B3
- It’s a copper and gold mine. Add blood and you have 3 of the main ingredients of the so-called Philosopher’s Stone.
- And here’s some historical background of the Phoenix, but the gist is the similarity of the Phoenix when related to the Osiris/Horus myth (death and rebirth) and it’s connection to the Sun, the City of the Sun (Heliopolis) and the Temple of the Sun. In the Chinese version of the Phoenix the bird is at times paired with a dragon (female to the dragon’s male) and it’s rare appearance signifies peace and prosperity, especially when a new ruler ascends to the throne.
Background Mythology of the Phoenix:
Setting forth from Arabia he conveys his father, they say, to the temple of the Sun plastered up in myrrh, and buries him in the temple of the Sun. He conveys him thus. He forms first an egg of myrrh as large as he is able to carry, and then he makes trial of carrying it, and when he has made trial sufficiently, then he hollows out the egg and places his father within it and plasters over with other myrrh that part of the egg where he hollowed it out to put his father in, and when his father is laid in it, it proves (they say) to be of the same weight as it was; and after he has plastered it up, he conveys the whole to Egypt to the temple of the Sun. Thus they say that this bird does.
http://www.livius.org/phi-php/phoenix/phoenix.html
The phoenix is a bird that is found in India. After it has lived for 500 years, it goes to the cedar forests of Lebanon and bathes in the fragrance from the trees, then signals the priest in the city of Heliopolis (the city of the sun), who prepares an alter. The phoenix flies to the city, alights on the alter, and ignites a fire that completely consumes it, leaving only ash. The next day the preist finds a worm in the ashes, on the second day a small bird, and on the third day the full-grown phoenix, completely renewed. The phoenix greets the priest and returns to its home in India.
The Epiphanius version follows the same basic story line, but adds a few details. The phoenix is the most beautiful bird, more beautiful even than the peacock. It is colored like precious stones, and has a crested head and feet like fire. It lives among the cedars of Lebanon for 500 years, neither eating or drinking, being fed only by the wind. After this time it goes to the priest at Heliopolis and burns itself up. The next day there is a small bird in the ashes; on the third day the phoenix is fully restored and returns home.
The Chinese phoenix, also called “Feng Huang”, is the head of all birds. Feng is male and Huang female, while paired with dragon it is female. Feng Huang has rare appearance, with colorful plumage. Many legends tell that it has a body of pheasant, while feathers like that of peacocks, with wings of roc.
Chinese phoenix is also an immortal bird whose rare appearances signify the peace and prosperity, especially a new ruler ascent to the throne. It never old or dies, belongs to the fire in Five Elements. It is said that phoenix nirvana and rebirth out of ash, symbolize the constant striving spirit.
Images of ancient birds have appeared in China for 7,000 years, with the earliest historic piece with phoenix was a silk painting discovered in a tomb of the warring states period.
Down the ages, Chinese “long” and dragon are the traditional totems embedded with people’s blessing and hope and left deep imprint in Chinese civilization. Some are even combined the dragon and phoenix together to hope the harmony and happiness of marriage.
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Most Mesoamerican beliefs included cycles of suns. Usually, our current time was considered the fifth sun, the previous four having been destroyed by flood, fire and the like. Quetzalcoatl allegedly went to Mictlan, the underworld, and created fifth-world mankind from the bones of the previous races (with the help of Chihuacoatl), using his own blood, from a wound in his penis, to imbue the bones with new life.
What ever the truth is surrounding this you must see the is more than just a smattering of weirdness surrounding it :0
Was the entrapment of the 33 miners in Chile, an Illuminati occult ritual???
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(**READ THIS IMPORTANT UPDATE**: I must let you know that indeed the San Esteban is the owner of this mine and CODELCO is the buyer of the full copper production. But San Esteban had declared bankruptcy during these events and CODELCO just financed 75% of the rescue operation, so that's OBVIOUS who is going to own the San Esteban.) Since I started to follow the news about the accident that entrapped several miners in Copiapo, Chile, I noticed too many odd details, cabalistic numbers and occult symbols, present during the whole drama. After all I figured out that this event may not have been a mere accident, but a scheduled ritual synchronized with other events and planetary alignments that took place this year. If you think it was just an accident, after watching this video you may see the things, a bit more different....
omgg as if things surrounding this story couldn't get more bizarre
BBC strapped for cash ROFL
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BBC News 'short of cash after £100,000 spend' on Chilean miners' rescue
The BBC has spent so much money reporting on the Chilean miners’ rescue that coverage of other major events including the G20 summit and the Oscars will have to be scaled back.
I doubt there are enough Freeman out there yet not paying TV license ahaha _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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It's very convenient that this rescue coincided with both the start of the Guantanamo bay hearings in NY and the beginning of the 7/7 inquest in London. I watched a reporter on 'Russia Today' who was talking about the notable lack of media interest in NY about the Guantanamo business. She was walking in the street outside the court house asking the public if they knew that terrorists were being tried in that (pointing) building? Of course no one did _________________ It's not about terror, its about illusion. It's not about war, it's about you
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That's quite a deep rabbit hole you're covering, D_D ;-) Indeed, symbolism abounds but Emanuel and his 'use every disaster' schtick also comes to mind.
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33 degrees is known as the number of the master and as the deadly deception.
Perhaps the greatest danger to the PTB here is all these miners getting too close to all 'their' underground lizard bases? <cheesy grin>
Note, I'm not knocking you or the theories you have collected, as AFAIAC we have entered a realm/era where everything twisted is possible - given enough dosh and clout...
Which brings me to the abiding question for those who have totted up the amount of 'disappeared' wealth over the last decade - where have all these alleged trillion$, from Zakheim onward, gone? To what purpose and why? I don't for one minute think it is all being hoarded, dragon-style... _________________ "We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl
"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett
It's not missing just the accumulation of ownership for our beloved masters I'll let Biafra explain 'V* Culture' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhzOGxXvm3E
I also lean to the use the Mine Rescue as a sideshow type event. I don't think the choice of Phoenix as too controversial either given the mission. Mind you something more local would be better imo lol _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Sebastián Piñera visits PM and the Queen during action-packed UK tripChilean president presents Cameron with lump of rock taken from the San Jose mine where 33 men were rescued last week
Hmm 33 beers I wonder what ones?
.Black Mass?
.Old Nick?
.Pheonix?
Stephen Bates The Guardian, Tuesday 19 October 2010 Article history
In recent years, Chilean presidents have enjoyed little fanfare when visiting Britain: ignored by the media, unknown to the public, and banished to champagne receptions with obscure dignitaries.
But as the 33 Chilean miners trapped underground for more than 10 weeks can testify, a week can be a very long time.
Yesterday, their president, Sebastián Piñera, was treated to a star's welcome, visiting David Cameron at Downing Street and enjoying an audience with the Queen at Buckingham Palace.
The Queen has received many unusual gifts in her time, but surely few as evocative as a lump of rock taken out of the San Jose mine in the Atacama desert by the miners rescued last week. Cameron got a piece too.
Cameron was also a recipient of one of the world's most sought-after paperweights. In return the prime minister gave the president 33 bottles of British beer and pint glasses for the newly liberated miners, at a meeting in which "the PM made clear to President Piñera that the UK would remain a true friend of Chile", according to a Downing Street spokesman.
Cameron presented the president himself with an early edition of Daniel Defoe's Robinson Crusoe, in a nod to the 1719 novel's inspiration, Alexander Selkirk, the Scottish castaway who survived four years on a Pacific island off Chile, known since 1966 as Robinson Crusoe island.
During a whirlwind visit, the president also fitted in an interview with Sarah Montague on BBC's Hard Talk before dashing to deliver a lecture at the London School of Economics.
Piñera also managed to find time to visit his hero Winston Churchill's bunker at the Cabinet war rooms in Whitehall, tour the British Museum, and meet Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson, where wags noted that he may have given the manager some advice on how to extract oneself from a hole.
Piñera is also due to visit the London Olympics site before visiting France and Germany later in the week.
Speaking of the San Jose rescue, the president promised his government would ratify ILO convention 176, which would commit Chile to enforcing safety regulations, as unions have repeatedly urged.
"We have initiated a country effort to create a new treatment in terms of how to protect the lives, integrity, dignity and health of our workers," he said. "[We] cannot guarantee that we will not have accidents in the future, but we can guarantee that we will do whatever is necessary to have a more secure mining industry." _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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