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 Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:30 am Post subject: Aussie Trade Union chief - "9/11 was a conspiracy" |
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Not a single one of our union misleaders have said anything similar...
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2010/s3043700.htm
Vic union leader says September 11 attacks a conspiracy
Samantha Donovan reported this story on Wednesday, October 20, 2010
18:14:00
Listen to MP3 of this story ( minutes)
MARK COLVIN: The Victorian Trades Hall Council has been forced to
distance itself from its own president, after he told ABC Local Radio
in Melbourne this morning that the September 11th attacks were not
caused by terrorists.
Kevin Bracken, who is also the Victorian branch secretary of the
Maritime Union, claimed the reporting of the attacks was a
conspiracy.
The Prime Minister says the comments were "stupid". And the Victorian
Opposition wants the Premier to intervene and disciple Mr Bracken.
Samantha Donovan reports.
SAMANTHA DONOVAN: Talkback callers were ringing in to ABC Local Radio
in Melbourne this morning to put their views on Australia's role in
Afghanistan.
Kevin Bracken, the Victorian Branch Secretary of the Maritime Union of
Australia and the President of the Victorian Trades Hall Council
called in. And presenter Jon Faine was taken aback by what he had to
say.
KEVIN BRACKEN: Well I believe that the official story is a conspiracy
theory that doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny.
JON FAINE: Are you serious? Is this a hoax or are you serious?
KEVIN BRACKEN: No and I'd love to debate you publicly Jon if you think
it's ridiculous.
JON FAINE: There's nothing to debate Kevin.
KEVIN BRACKEN: I challenge you to a public debate.
JON FAINE: There's nothing to debate.
KEVIN BRACKEN: Well the fact is that aviation fuel doesn't get hot
enough to melt steel.
SAMANTHA DONOVAN: Jon Faine pressed Mr Bracken on which "nutter
theory" he subscribes to.
KEVIN BRACKEN: In my mind the buildings were imploded.
JON FAINE: Yeah and you're the Secretary of the Maritime Union and
you're on the Trades Hall Council Executive?
KEVIN BRACKEN: I'm the president of the Victorian Trades Hall Council
and we've taken resolutions from both those…
JON FAINE: I think it reflects very poorly on your members Kevin that
you have views that are so ridiculous, so extreme and so unacceptable
and yet you hold office in some of our unions in Victoria.
KEVIN BRACKEN: I'd love to... if it's so ridiculous Jon I challenge
you to debate me on it.
JON FAINE: It is; unequivocally.
KEVIN BRACKEN: The trouble is mate, blokes like you are keeping most
of the people in the dark.
SAMANTHA DONOVAN: Brian Boyd, the secretary of the Victorian Trades
Hall Council rang the show shortly afterwards to control the damage.
BRIAN BOYD: I totally disagree with his conspiracy theory but look can
I tell you, putting that one aside, 99 per cent of the time Kevin's a
very good Trades Hall official in terms of the President because we
look after a lot of issues.
JON FAINE: You don't doubt his judgement and credibility after that?
BRIAN BOYD: No, we've had big debates with Kevin about this. This is
his personal view on this particular issue.
JON FAINE: He's wrong.
BRIAN BOYD: He's welcome to them but he's dead wrong.
JON FAINE: No he's not welcome to views that are so wrong on such an
important issue and it reflects poorly on Trades Hall that he's your
President.
BRIAN BOYD: Well that's why I'm ringing Jon. He can't express them as
President of Trades Hall because…
JON FAINE: Well he did.
BRIAN BOYD: I understand that, that's why I'm ringing you Jon; and we
don't endorse them. It was a terrorist attack; we condemn the
terrorist attack.
SAMANTHA DONOVAN: But Brian Boyd was reluctant to declare Kevin
Bracken "an embarrassment".
BRIAN BOYD: Look I am embarrassed in this sense that he used his
position as President of Trades Hall in his conversation with you and
that's why I'm calling to correct the record.
SAMANTHA DONOVAN: And some listeners had some sympathy for Kevin
Bracken's view.
CALLER: I just think that if you've seen the videos of Tower 7 they,
it doesn't, nothing hit it and it fell down. I mean what's the story
there? (inaudible) was whitewashed and the investigation was a joke
and most thinking people agree.
SAMANTHA DONOVAN: But other callers backed Jon Faine's dismissal of Mr
Bracken's views.
CALLER 2: It's a disgrace the proposition he's putting to you and I
thought you handled things very well.
CALLER 3: This fellow comes across as Mr Courageous wanting to debate
you and all the rest of it, but when pressed on who he thought did it,
which is the crux of the matter really in my view, he shied away from
it.
I agree with you that these things can't be allowed… he can't be
allowed to just air his view because in the same way that you're not
allowed to air your views regarding Holocaust denying and all this
sort of stuff because it's plain wrong, it's incitement to hate.
SAMANTHA DONOVAN: The Prime Minister Julia Gillard was asked about the
comments during question time this afternoon.
JULIA GILLARD: Obviously they are stupid and wrong. However, can I
also say this; if it is in the intention of the Leader of the
Opposition to expel every individual from the Liberal Party who makes
a stupid statement I'll start sending him a weekly list Mr Speaker.
(Sound of laughter)
SAMANTHA DONOVAN: Victoria's Shadow Attorney-General Robert Clark
called a press conference this afternoon to respond to Kevin Bracken's
comments.
ROBERT CLARK: These remarks, whatever Mr Bracken's motivations may be,
give comfort and support to those who seek to condone terrorism, they
therefore do need to be condemned in the strongest possible terms
right across the political spectrum. I believe the Premier needs
likewise to condemn what Mr Bracken has said. The Trades Hall Council
needs to consider Mr Bracken's future as its President and the MUA
needs to consider Mr Bracken's future as its secretary.
MARK COLVIN: Victoria's Shadow Attorney-General, Robert Clark ending
Samantha Donovan's report. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Aussie Union President- 9/11 an Inside Job |
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| Quote: | | JON FAINE: There's nothing to debate Kevin. |
Well then that's that!
| Quote: | | JON FAINE: There's nothing to debate. |
Well - if you say so...
| Quote: | | JON FAINE: I think it reflects very poorly on your members Kevin that you have views that are so ridiculous, so extreme and so unacceptable... |
And because I say that they are ridiculous, extreme and unacceptable then it must be true. No bebate required. No dissent allowed.
| Quote: | | JON FAINE: He's wrong. |
Must be. John Faine says so. He heard the "truth" on the telly.
| Quote: | JON FAINE: No he's not welcome to views that are so wrong on such an important issue and it reflects poorly on Trades Hall that he's your
President. |
No questioning of officialdom will be tolerated!!! Hell you would think this was a free country.
| Quote: | CALLER 3: This fellow comes across as Mr Courageous wanting to debate you and all the rest of it, but when pressed on who he thought did it, which is the crux of the matter really in my view, he shied away from
it. |
As everyone knows - if you witness a crime being committed you must automatically know the names and addresses of all the perpetrators. That is the crux of it.
| Quote: | I agree with you that these things can't be allowed… he can't be
allowed to just air his view because in the same way that you're not
allowed to air your views regarding Holocaust denying and all this
sort of stuff because it's plain wrong, it's incitement to hate. |
To hate whom?? Is the problem he is telling people to STOP hating Muslims because they are innocent???
| Quote: | | JULIA GILLARD: Obviously they are stupid and wrong. |
So no need for debate then. What the telly says MUST be true. Obviously.
| Quote: | | ROBERT CLARK: These remarks, whatever Mr Bracken's motivations may be, give comfort and support to those who seek to condone terrorism, they therefore do need to be condemned in the strongest possible terms right across the political spectrum. |
Comfort and support? By pointing out the absurdity of the official lie he is attacking the terrorists who Robert Clark and Julia Gillard and John Faine are, whether delibarately or accidentally, protecting!!!! |
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Just shows how far removed this Jon Faine guy is from what joe public is coming round to see. think he needs a visit from Architects and Engineers or Firefighters etc etc for 911 truth
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/trades-hall-president-kevin- bracken-calls-911-conspiracy/story-e6frf7kx-1225941158523?from=public_ rss
| Quote: | VICTORIAN Trades Hall president Kevin Bracken remains unrepentant after his controversial comments about the 9/11 attacks made news around the world.
Mr Bracken sparked outrage yesterday when he told Jon Faine's ABC talk-back program the attacks were not the result of terrorist activity.
He said the story was a conspiracy that "didn't stand up" to scientific scrutiny.
This morning Mr Bracken phoned into Faine's program again for a right of reply.
He said he wasn't phoning as the president of the Trades Hall council or as secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia.
Mr Bracken stood by his comments and said he had the support of 50 per cent of the community.
He also attacked Faine, claiming he was ridiculed on yesterday's program.
"Unfortunately cowards like yourself have set the political agenda in this country for too long," said Kevin Bracken
"I won't be cowered down to bullies like yourself."
Yesterday, Julia Gillard has dismissed as "stupid and wrong" Mr Bracken's belief.
The Federal Opposition seized on the comments in Parliament, with Victorian MP Josh Frydenberg asking Ms Gillard what action she would take against Mr Bracken “to send a message that such remarks are unacceptable”, The Australian reported.
“Obviously I don’t agree with the remarks, obviously they are stupid and wrong,” Ms Gillard said.
“The Labor Party is a large organisation, people join it as individuals – we don’t dictate what people think.”
After being accused by Liberal frontbencher Christopher Pyne of not answering the question on discipline, Ms Gillard said: “If it is the intention of the Leader of the Opposition to expel every member who says something stupid, I’ll start sending him a weekly list.”
In Victoria, Shadow Attorney General Robert Clarke said Mr Bracken's comments were a direct insult to Australian soldiers serving in Afghanistan.
"It strikes at the very heart of the West's struggle against terrorism and it is a disgrace that while Australian soldiers are serving and dying in Afghanistan that Mr Bracken make these wild claims that undermine the very reason for their presence in Afghanistan," he said.
Mr Clarke called on Premier John Brumby to condemn these comments in the strongest possible terms and for the outspoken union leader to be disciplined.
"The Trades Hall Council needs to consider Mr Bracken's future as its president and the MUA needs to consider his future as their secretary,'' he said.
"These comments can't stand they need to be condemned in the strongest possible terms.''
Trades Hall secretary Brian Boyd said Mr Bracken did not speak on behalf of the organisation.
"The official Trades Hall position is not to entertain that theory," Mr Boyd said.
"We had almost 3000 working people killed in that terrorist attack. It was a terrorist attack, and we condemn it."
Mr Boyd said Mr Bracken's views had caused many debates behind the walls of Trade Hall.
"He is welcome to his views and we've discussed his theories," he said.
"But I totally disagree."
Mr Boyd said he stood by his colleague despite his extremist views.
"99 per cent of the time Kevin's a very good president," he said.
MUA national secretary Paddy Crumlin distanced the union from the comment, releasing a statement saying its position on the attack was "unambiguous".
"The 9/11 tragedy was a result of a terrorist attack by international terrorists who claimed responsibility," he said.
"It is the MUA's position - one that I passionately support as national secretary - that this attack is one of the greatest affronts and abuses of human and civil rights in contemporary history."
This is not the first time Mr Bracken has voiced his controversial opinions on the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon.
In 2006 he told The Australian he believed the attacks only worked because the US Government was in some way involved.
"If they want to stop terrorism they've got to look at who was really behind September 11," Mr Bracken said at the time.
"It couldn't have happened unless there was participation from key elements of the American military and government and security services. I am not saying the whole lot were involved. But I believe the official story for September 11 doesn't stack up."
Mr Bracken said in 2006 his views on the terror laws and September 11 were his own, and he was not speaking on behalf of the union. |
You can vote at the above link
| Quote: | Do you think Kevin Bracken's comments were reasonable?
* Yes 64.19% (4296 votes)
* No 35.81% (2397 votes)
Total votes: 6693 |
Looks like the msm is out of touch with the population again!! |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Not only can you vote, but 'Comment', too!!
Yaba-daba-doo! 
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Just had an e-mail about this from that stalwart Canadian media critic: Barrie Zwicker . He is networking this issue worldwide.
He has some wise things to say about the difference of approach between those who doubt the official 9/11 conspiracy theory and the nay-sayers (those who refuse to question it)
He writes:
"Hello Family, Friends, Colleagues ~
If it comes down to sheer numbers in these informal polls, we who stand foursquare for the truth about the events of 9/11 should not be cowed by those who stand in the way of this search for truth -- no matter how many they are. So it’s important for us to “put in our two cents’ worth.”
It’s important to think and act globally. This case arises in Australia, but is as close to home as Ottawa; London, England or Langley, Virginia.
Check it out:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/trades-hall-president-kevin- bracken-calls-911-conspiracy/story-e6frf7kx-1225941158523?from=public_ rss
It seems to me, after my study of responses to statements by truth seekers on various media websites in more than one country, that many if not most of the vicious attacks on those with the courage to state publicly that they seek the truth about the events of 9/11 do not pass one ore more of several smell tests.
First is the name-calling test. Name calling is clearly no argument at all, and it poisons the atmosphere in which arguments can be exchanged.
Second is the usual non-reference, by nay-sayers, to evidence of any kind.
Third is how quickly the nay-sayers respond. The elapsed time has been decreasing, suggesting that the worldwide disinformation campaign has become automated.
Fourth is that there seem to be no two the same (remember the days when many of us were glad to sign a pre-printed postcard on some issue and mail it to our Member of Parliament, or Senator or whatever, saying either specifically or by implication that we agreed with every word?)
Finally, perhaps the most important smell test: is the comment signed in an authentic way or is it anonymous?
Fortunately in this present Australian case with the HeraldSun, responders are required to identify themselves. This is all too rare.
FYI, immediately below is what I just typed in and sent to the HeraldSun. The site cautions contributors that their comments may not be used, and specifies the criteria for them to be considered for use.
“There's a worldwide struggle taking place, on the one hand, between people who truly wish to know the truth about 9/11 because it was such a pivotal event affecting everyone in the world, and on the other hand, those who almost never refer to any evidence, be it forensic, acoustical, video, still pictures, seismic, eyewitness or circumstantial, in their instant condemnation of anyone who does examine the evidence and reaches the inevitable conclusion that the official conspiracy theory about 9/11 crumbles like the dust of the twin towers. This is the larger picture and the chance of a safer and saner future rests on the shoulders of too-few brave and independent-thinking persons such as Kevin Bracken. All those who simply call him names have opted to not be taken seriously in the debate. That takes out a lot, especially at the higher levels of society where self-interest rather than truth-seeking prevails.”[/i][/i]
This, BTW, approaches the maximum number of words allowed. The site is extremely helpful in showing the words allowed remaining, as you type.
I ask you to respond, and to forward this to as many of your truth-seeking friends, family and colleagues as you can. The BCC list on this numbers approximately 55.
Peace,
Barrie Zwicker
416.651-5588
PS—We know the mainstream media cannot be trusted in many cases, even on their websites. The percentage of pro and con comments the HeraldSun chooses to post (when I was alerted to this they were running 50-50) may not reflect the percentage of pro and con comments sent to them. Just the chain-letter effect of this email and your amplifying “chain letters” – spreading virus-like through the 9/11Truth community worldwide – might ensure that expressions of support for Kevin Bracken’s statements, and courage, outnumber those of his detractors. If the website does not reflect such support – and we know we are more numerous than are articulate non-name-calling supporters of the official conspiracy theory – this would tend to reveal interference by the webmaster at the HeraldSun. That itself would be a useful outcome of a major campaign for Truthers to have a say at this site.
PPS--I’d be gratified if you care to comment on this email, on the situation in Australia, or other closely-related issues, since this worldwide struggle involves organized disinformation by the state and its agents. This in turn is grist for the mill of the book I am writing, entitled FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS: History’s Deadliest Deceits and Why They Matter. All inauthentic responders to websites such as the one involved here are false flag agents. Not only should such agents be “outed” individually when possible, but also outed statistically, en masse, as further evidence of the sweeping nature of national security state disinformation campaigns. Pattern recognition is a legitimate means of approaching the problem.
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From: tmuga@aol.com [mailto:tmuga@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:48 PM
To: tmuga@aol.com
Subject: PLEASE VOTE NOW:Trades Hall president Kevin Brackenstand by his 9/11 conspiracy
Trades Hall president Kevin Brackenstand by his 9/11 conspiracy | Herald Sun
please vote, YES, asap and forward this on
so far the nos are ahead---but not by very much
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:11 am Post subject: |
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This is the comment I've submitted to the Herald Sun website:
Albert Einstein once said: “Dismissal without investigation is the highest form of ignorance”. A lot of people are dismissing legitimate doubts about the US government’s story about without investigating the evidence. These people resort to name calling (idiot, conspiracy theorist, unpatriotic, believers in UFOs etc) rather than offering evidence which proves the official story to be true.
We don’t know what actually happened on 9/11. The 9/11 Commission did not investigate who did it and the Commissioners have now condemned their own report. The FBI have stated they do not want Bin Laden for the attacks because there is insufficient evidence to indict him.
Only an independent investigation could approach uncovering the whole truth. All people of goodwill should be able to support the call for this, whether they favour the government’s theory of who conspired to attack the US or some other theory. Truth is important. Lies lead to war. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Currently those supporting Kevin Bracken's statement as reasonable are 66% while those opposing his statement are 34%.
Lets keep voting and posting comments to demonstrate how out of touch with the truth are the mainstream media, the Auzzie government and many other governments. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Here's my comment:
Many have commented that the 'antis' have used mostly 'ad hominem' attacks to attack Bracken, and seem to be 'Union Bashers', whereas 'pros' have been more thoughtful and knowledgeable. I agree.
Check out 'Jersey Girls' and find victims relatives who are deeply distressed, not with 'Conspiracy Theorists', but with the US Government for not answering their legitimate questions (videos '911 Press for Truth' and 'In Their Own Words'). Check out 'NYCCAN'. Check out 'Gladio + video', to see how CIA set up 'stay-behind' armies in Europe after WWII, in case Russia invaded. Russia didn't invade, but the Gladio groups were used instead in terror attacks on civilians, which were blamed on the 'Reds' (including the Bologna Station (Italy) bombing, 84 dead, and indescrimainate supermarket shootings in Belgium.
Check out 'USS Liberty' (videos 'Dead in the Water' and 'Loss of Liberty', and Peter Hounam's book 'Operation Cyanide').
And check out the books on 9/11, by David Ray Griffin, Webster Tarpley, Mike Ruppert etc.
I respect your integrity and courage. May others follow your example.
God Bless you, Kevin!
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| outsider wrote: | Here's my comment:
Many have commented that the 'antis' have used mostly 'ad hominem' attacks to attack Bracken, and seem to be 'Union Bashers', whereas 'pros' have been more thoughtful and knowledgeable. I agree.
Check out 'Jersey Girls' and find victims relatives who are deeply distressed, not with 'Conspiracy Theorists', but with the US Government for not answering their legitimate questions (videos '911 Press for Truth' and 'In Their Own Words'). Check out 'NYCCAN'. Check out 'Gladio + video', to see how CIA set up 'stay-behind' armies in Europe after WWII, in case Russia invaded. Russia didn't invade, but the Gladio groups were used instead in terror attacks on civilians, which were blamed on the 'Reds' (including the Bologna Station (Italy) bombing, 84 dead, and indescrimainate supermarket shootings in Belgium.
Check out 'USS Liberty' (videos 'Dead in the Water' and 'Loss of Liberty', and Peter Hounam's book 'Operation Cyanide').
And check out the books on 9/11, by David Ray Griffin, Webster Tarpley, Mike Ruppert etc.
I respect your integrity and courage. May others follow your example.
God Bless you, Kevin!
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Well, they seem to have stopped taking comments! I put another on after that; neither has appeared.
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And 'The Empire's Flunkies' Strike Back:
Gillard slaps down 'stupid' 9/11 theory
Senior unionists also distanced themselves from the eccentric views of Kevin Bracken… up to scientific scrutiny". Mr Bracken told The Australian that aviation fuel from the hijacked planes…
1 day ago | NEWS.com.au > National News | Article | Find related
Union rejects official's 9/11 comment
MUA Victorian branch secretary and Victorian Trades Hall Council president Kevin Bracken told ABC… Bracken said today. "Aviation fuel doesn't get hot enough to melt steel and no high rise steel frame…
2 days ago | NEWS.com.au > Breaking News | Article | Find related
PM dismisses unionist's 9/11 theory
were a conspiracy. Senior unionists also distanced themselves from the "eccentric" views of Kevin Bracken… up to scientific scrutiny". Mr Bracken told The Australian aviation fuel from the hijacked planes that crashed…
2 days ago | The Australian > The Nation | Article | Find related
Wharfies set to strike
is expected to add to the drama. Maritime Union of Australia state secretary Kevin Bracken said the walk… down there,'' Mr Bracken told the Herald Sun. It's protected industrial action, which legally…
13 May 2009 | Herald Sun > Victoria | Article | Find related
Attack conspiracy theory a disgrace
Even worse is the fact that the person publicly spruiking the theory yesterday was Kevin Bracken… after Mr Bracken rang Jon Faine to air his opinions yesterday. Back in 2006, Mr Bracken said the attacks…
2 days ago | Herald Sun > Opinion > Editorial | Article | Find related
Unionist's 9/11 theory 'stupid and wrong'
Kevin Bracken, the Victorian secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia and Victorian Trades Hall… secretary Brian Boyd today distanced unions from Mr Bracken's views. The Opposition opened parliamentary…
2 days ago | NEWS.com.au > National News | Article | Find related
Union leader says 9/11 a conspiracy
Kevin Bracken, the Victorian secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia and Victorian Trades Hall… services were involved in the attacks. Mr Bracken told The Australian Online today that aviation fuel…
2 days ago | The Australian > The Nation | Article | Find related
Maritime union official: 9/11 'conspiracy'
Kevin Bracken, who is also the secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia, sparked a flood… scrutiny," Mr Bracken said. "In my mind the buildings were imploded." Faine thought the call was a hoax…
2 days ago | NEWS.com.au > National News > Victoria | Article | Find related
Unionist's 9/11 theories stupid: Gillard
Kevin Bracken, the Victorian secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia and Victorian Trades Hall… today distanced unions from Mr Bracken's views. The Opposition opened parliamentary question time…
2 days ago | The Australian > The Nation | Article | Find related
Union official: 9/11 'conspiracy'
Kevin Bracken, who is also the secretary of the Maritime Union of Australia, sparked a flood… the official story is a conspiracy theory that doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny," Mr Bracken said. "In…
2 days ago | Daily Telegraph | Article | Find related
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An email generated, I suspect, by a tip-off I gave someone in the States:
LINK (in blue)
Australian union leader rejects 9/11 explanation --"The trouble is, mate, blokes like you are keeping most of the people in the dark". 21 Oct 2010 A prominent Australian union leader has suggested the official story of the World Trade Centre attacks is untrue. The president of the Victorian Trades Hall Council, Kevin Bracken, told ABC Radio in Australia he thought the official US government explanation was a "conspiracy theory that doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny". ...Bracken went on: "Well, the fact is that aviation fuel doesn't get hot enough to melt steel. In my mind the buildings were imploded".
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The trouble is, mate, that these American blokes don’t investigate, they can’t believe that a criminal enterprise, one armed with a military that doesn’t blink when it comes to blowing away entire villages in places like Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Honduras, or torturing people to death in Abu Ghraib “would ever lie to them.” These blokes reject science and critical thinking. These blokes can’t imagine that the “official conspiracy” fed to them by Rupert Murdock, the Pentagon, Home Land Security, the Project for a new American Century, the Heritage and the American Enterprise Institute “fog machines”, the “talking heads” on the networks, the opinion makers and influence peddlers in the news and press, the people at AIPAC, on Wall Street, political candidates, the leader of government, would lie: or that the their mates in fact practice the Big Lie technique. (Or that these opinion elites are just as naive as they seem to be.) These blokes selectively reject and ignore facts when it makes them uncomfortable. The blokes are ignorant of physical science, history, and critical reason and thus reject scientific findings. They ignore the questions raise by David Ray Griffin, and scientist like Steven E, Jones, not to mention the committee of international investigators that found high concentrations of thermite in the air-samples taken at ground zero and opened eight years after 9/11. These blokes reject the suggestion --via evidence— that explosives charges brought the Twin Tower and Building # 7 to the ground. The troubles is, mate, these blokes can’t conceive of a “false flag operation” or imagine that the Bush administration --while lying them into a major war-- founded their propaganda on bigger lie a real lie used to instigate and to rally hatred and patriotism. These blokes reject the notion of an insurance scam that reaped tens of billions of dollars for a few short months work or that it could be pulled off. And subsequently, hundreds of billions of dollars for subcontracts. Tens of thousand of people worked to develop the atom bombs used on Nagasaki and Hiroshima and no one talked! No word got out. Not a word. . . The Bernie Madoff scam didn’t happen either . . . Men didn’t walk on the moon . . . And the groups known as “Gelitin” were just “Tower Squatters,” an art experiment. . . “Pull it!” Larry Silverstein shouts. And all these blokes suddenly go deaf, dumb and mindless.
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Here is Kevin Bracken's email; please send him messages of support:
kevin.bracken@mua.org.au
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| Quote: | Do you think Kevin Bracken's comments were reasonable?
* Yes 72.77% (6527 votes)
* No 27.23% (2442 votes)
Total votes: 8969 |
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| Quote: | | “Obviously I don’t agree with the remarks, obviously they are stupid and wrong,” Ms Gillard said. |
Obviously, she's a Zionist otherwise she would engage brain rather than emotion.
I'm surprised the poll is still up, as obviously the majority of Sun readers do not share Gillard's contempt for the truth.
Anyone want to play 'Spot the commenter'? - no cheating mind, which let's xmasdale and outsider off the hook ;-)
Also note how quickly zionist shills jumped into the comments? eg:
| Quote: | Not a union thug Posted at 12:43 PM October 20, 2010
I always knew that union bosses and trades hall people were closet terrorists. Always trying to bring the country down while looking after themselves.
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You can spot them a mile off these days, playing to emotion, larded with ad hominems - not that I've found a reference to Holocaust[tm] yet... 'Islamofascist' yes, whatever that is supposed to mean outside of a 'chosen mind'.
What comment sections like this do tell us is the level of awareness 'out there' - not very high, is it, despite all our 'efforts' over the last nine years...?
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| Thermate911 wrote: | [quoteAnyone want to play 'Spot the commenter'? - no cheating mind, which let's xmasdale and outsider off the hook 
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I didn't know we had ever been on the hook. Please explain  |
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The Poll is running 74.55 pro-Bracken, 25.45 anti-Bracken; and the 'Comments' (which are now closed) ran 300 pro-Bracken, 200 anti (in fact I counted 319 pro, 201 anti, but I obviously made some mistakes, as the total votes were 513.
So a really excellent result, especially when you consider the obvious bias of the paper against Bracken. Also, there is no real incentive for anyone voting or commenting for him, unless they agree with him or his right to express an opinion; but there IS a big incentive for the 'Powers' to mobilise 'anti' comments and votes, given their vested interest in perpetuating the 'Official Narrative'.
I'm surprised that the paper didn't rig the results; I bet they are kicking themselves (or getting kicked by their controllers!).
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I voted with the majority (first time for everything...):
* Yes 76.5% (8073 votes)
* No 23.5% (2480 votes)
Total votes: 10553
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A more worrying one, which I found while searching for 'shoe-thrower', was this:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/charlie-sheen-t aken-to-hospital/story-e6frf96o-1225943994919
By the way, we should all save a copy of the fantastically clear photo of the South Tower tilting to the left, and very clear 'flash' of explosive.
I can't remember seeing such a clear picture before (but maybe I'm mistaken).
This pic alone should convince architects engineers and physicists (not already convinced, that is) that a 'pile driver' effect leading to a 'pancake collapse' is just off the Richter scale in lack of plausibility, or in possibility.
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| TorsteinViddal wrote: | I voted with the majority (first time for everything...):
* Yes 76.5% (8073 votes)
* No 23.5% (2480 votes)
Total votes: 10553 |
damn and drat i missed my chance to actually vote on a winner
| Quote: | This poll is closed.
Do you think Kevin Bracken's comments were reasonable?
Yes 76.8% (8277 votes)
No 23.2% (2501 votes)
Total votes: 10778 |
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http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/27/press-censorship-alert-austral ia-and-911-video/
| Quote: | AUSSIE HERO, TRADES UNIONIST, EXPOSES 9/11 COVER-UP
Story and Video by Anthony Lawson and John Bursill — Veterans Today
Listen to an overbearing gatekeeper, Jon Faine, attempt to rubbish the genuine concerns of Australian Trades Union President, Kevin Bracken, in an attempt to stifle any debate about the many anomalies in the official 9/11 story.
“Good on yer, Kev. You’re a bonza bloke and a real credit to the old country. You’re a Fair Dinkum Aussie and you’ve got my vote, any day.”…Anthony Lawson
JOURNALIST TONY LAWSON’S VIDEO
To many, the name Kevin Bracken is a new one as regards 9/11 Truth. The reality is that Kevin has been a champion of the 9/11 Truth cause since 2006 by disseminating information throughout the Victorian Union Movement and the Maritime Workers Union of Australia. He has distributed DVD’s, shown films and shared information regularly with his associates and the people of Melbourne and he achieved motions calling for a new investigation from both the Victorian Trades Hall Council where he is the President and the Victorian branch of the Maritime Union of Australia of which he heads as Secretary. Kevin has also attended numerous conferences on 9/11 and has been the facilitator of such in Melbourne, Australia. Over the years Kevin and I have developed a close working relationship, both striving for the truth 9/11 to come out to bring end to the wars and to get our rights back that have been eroded since 9/11!
This is the motion passed on the 28th of March of 2008 at the VTHC:
“This meeting of the VTHC Executive Council calls for a thorough, independent inquiry into the tragic terrorist attacks of September 11. The events of that day have been used to start pre-emptive wars ‘that will not end in our lifetime.’ They have been used to attack civil liberties and legal principles that have been the cornerstone of civilized communities. There is an urgent need to reassess the way we view the world after September 11 and we call for a proper investigation into the events of that day.”
On the 20th of October 2010 Kevin was asked to ring into ABC 774 Mornings with John Faine, although Faine disputes this. This was following an email that was sent to Faine by Kevin questioning 9/11 in the context of Australia’s ongoing support of the Afghanistan occupation. After the recent Australian election it was demanded by the Australian Greens in a “balance of power” deal that the Australian involvement in the Afghan War be debated in Parliament in it’s first sitting. This debate had been going on this week and it was the first time any such debate had happened since 9/11, which is simply outrageous.
This interview by Faine was possibly the most biased ever heard in Australia on radio broadcast by the taxpayer-funded Australian Broadcasting Corporation. This attack by Faine of Bracken’s questioning the 9/11 events included a torrent of ad hominem slurs and an absolute refusal to discuss any evidence that the events were anything but what we have been told by our governments. A reasonable explanation of what happened, with attached audio, can be found here. The story titled “Trades Hall president Kevin Bracken Stands by his 9/11 Conspiracy” has been reported all around the world and included a poll asking if Kevin’s questions about 9/11 were “reasonable”, which started off running at around 50/50 but has continued to move in his favour. At the time of this writing the poll results are 75% in favour of Bracken.
Kevin has received literally thousands of thank yous from around the world for his brave stance for 9/11 Truth! Standing his ground even after having been directly verbally bashed by the Prime Minister of Australia, Julia Gillard, who said he was “stupid and wrong”, and having seen his own leadership comrades buckle at the knees in the face of unfounded ridicule. Rather than running for cover Kevin, with his chin in the air, has reiterated his position, defying any to debate him on the issue! As usual, all media “presstitutes” have refused, as there is obviously “no debate to have”. It seems that the vast majority of the public disagree and would like to see such a debate but none of the so called “journalists” dare to tread such a path.
Interesting to note that John Faine is now complaining that the ABC has been swamped by 9/11 activists and it may take the ABC many weeks to deal with the massive amount of complaints and comments they have received. Many of these I know to be formal as I have received many courtesy copies of the complaints to the ABC accusing them of breaching their charter and broadcast policy.
The battle for 9/11 Truth is far from over and as long as the fools in power maintain their policy of occupation of Afghanistan they will remain exposed and at risk of criminal prosecution due to the lies of 9/11. Lets hope it comes soon or they realize and stop the bloodshed. |
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Aussie site on Oklahoma bombing but has radio programme linking 'Yemen packages' and also update on Kevin Bracken; the programme was broadcast today:
http://www.truthnews.com.au/radio/wordpress/
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http://world911truth.org/colorado-democratic-party-calls-for-grand-jur y-investigation-of-9-11/
The 2010 Colorado Democratic Party platform (page 31/54), approved by the 146 member platform committee states:
| Quote: | | “Whereas many disturbing facts were consciously ignored by the 9/11 Commission; Be it resolved, therefore, that the CDP calls for the establishment of a truly independent Grand Jury and public investigation into these and other anomalies in order to find the truth of the September 11, 2001 attacks, so that we have a greater probability of preventing attacks of this nature in the future.” |
This controversial plank was added to the State Democratic Party Platform after evidence supporting the critical need for a new investigation was presented at several caucuses in 2004, 2008, and 2010.
The citizens who presented arguments for a new investigation at their precinct caucuses are signatories to the Architect and Engineers for 9/11 Truth organization (www.ae911truth.org) which calls for a new investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.
The quality of evidence contradicting the official 9-11 story is substantiated in part by the 2010 Platform Committee Chairman Hal Bidlack’s statement: “ ….this platform represents the consensus of the 2010 Platform Committee, guided by the results of county assemblies across our state. The folks who worked tirelessly on the Committee can rightly be proud of their efforts, and deserve our special thanks.” (Bidlack’s statement can be found on page one of the 2010 platform.)
In the upcoming Colorado election, Green Party U.S. Senatorial candidate Bob Kinsey and District One U.S. Representative candidate Gary Swing have publicly stated they would support a new investigation into the events of September 11, 2001.
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Kevin Bracken at LaborTech 2010
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-12-20/kevin-bracken-labortech-2010
http://blip.tv/file/4534856?utm_source=player_embedded
| Quote: | Video from December 11, 2010 University of San Francisco. Filmed by John Parulis
Key Note Speaker: Kevin Bracken:
Kevin Bracken is the Secretary of the Maritime Union of Australian (MUA) Victoria Branch and President of the Australia Victorian Trades Council Hall, which represents 400, 000 workers will be speaking (In a personal capacity) on “Corporate Media, The Trade Unions, War And 9/11”. Bracken is one of the leading trade unionists in the world, who has publicly challenged the US official explanation of 9/11, and the political use of “terrorism” by governments internationally to escalate the attacks on democratic rights and repression of the labor movement and working people around the world. |
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