It goes without saying that we already know that photos and videos have been (and always could be) delayed, edited, fabricated, and that any further videos and/or photos are not proof, but is proof of people trying to obfuscate Justice by promoting them as proof and/or even evidence in suggesting that they ever could provide proof.
QUOTE (Bridget @ Jul 15 2010, 01:40 AM)
7/7 The Big Picture 7 - No DNA & Peter Power
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Neil Flewitt, QC, prosecuting, said that expert Clifford Todd had examined the wreckage of the bomb sites.
He said: "It is, in the opinion of Mr Todd, noteworthy that at each scene, some personal materials and documents, such as ID cards, were found relating to the bombers.
"Although they were damaged to some extent, they did not show the damage that would be expected if they were on the body of the bomber or in the rucksack, suggesting that in each case they had been deliberately separated by some distance from the actual explosion."
source
This would have been an impossibility for Lindsay as he squeezed onto a packed to capacity train.
In the Peter Power section, Keelan, you have a couple of spelling mistakes: Crisis Management & prepare.
Is that a grammar error?
What evidence was there, that he was even on that train?
Could he have been else where when we look at (investigate) the train times and the Canary Wharf scenario?
"Dealing with Islamist extremism, the messages are more complex, the constituencies we would aim at are more difficult to indentify, and greater damage could be done to the overall effort if links back to UK or US sources were revealed."
A forum revealing the links back to UK, US or other intelligence sources.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:48 am Post subject:
Whlst 99% of what they do is unsurpassed including this excellent film.
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk
There are two difficulties I see with the July 7th Truth campaign ... and the trouble is even the mildest questioning or criticism can be seen as an 'attack' and dismissed as such rather than addressed. As this post no doubt will be.
1. Vain attempts at 'anonymity' of the three main organisers Bridget Dunne (Prole), Beverley (Numeral) and Anthony (Ants or Antagonist). The police and intelligence services and perpetrators of 7/7 of course know exactly who they are and their various screen names. In their mindset this fake anonymity gives them the right to be rude, sarcastic and unprofessional both on and offline in the belief that there will be no comeback. The fake anonymity also limits their accountability.
2. Attacks on me for my Christianity. This is hardly suprising since one of their founder members, Beverley (occult name Galaxor) was, and possibly still is, a witch. When I circulated an email about this back in 2007 Bridget Dunne replied as if I had accused Bridget of being a witch which I had not. The disdain for Christianity is worrying since Christ is also a respected prophet in Islam.
I would have been happy to let this one rest... but Bridget has dragged it up again ... in a most bizarre way since I don't know who is and who is not a Chrstian on this forum and don't want to - preferring to make decisions based on the merits or otherwise of the individual contributions here.
Now I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do you?
It goes like this
The fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you
She tied you
To a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah
Baby I have been here before
I know this room, I've walked this floor
I used to live alone before I knew you.
I've seen your flag on the marble arch
Love is not a victory march
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
There was a time you let me know
What's really going on below
But now you never show it to me, do you?
And remember when I moved in you
The holy dove was moving too
And every breath we drew was Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
You say I took the name in vain
I don't even know the name
But if I did, well really, what's it to you?
There's a blaze of light
In every word
It doesn't matter which you heard
The holy or the broken Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
I did my best, it wasn't much
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
And even though
It all went wrong
I'll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah
Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 632 Location: London UK
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject:
Gosling wrote:
When I circulated an email about this back in 2007
Yes you did and then you sent this:
Gosling wrote:
I apologise unreservedly for bringing in personal stuff and I was in the wrong and should have kept schtum.
Really no excuses.
Tony
No excuses then and none now.
What is it that Gandhi said? "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." _________________ 'The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought'. JFK
When I circulated an email about this back in 2007
Yes you did and then you sent this:
Gosling wrote:
I apologise unreservedly for bringing in personal stuff and I was in the wrong and should have kept schtum.
Really no excuses.
Tony
No excuses then and none now.
What is it that Gandhi said? "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
And what excuse do you have on the obvious attack and divisions of Islam and Christianity.
Which is so much more than a one on one truth activist agenda.
And the Jews are supposed to graft into (join) together also.
But I dont know? what you would have them graft into.
Keelan, none of this explains why the 20th century is littered with false-flag ops aimed at left-wing movements and countries where popular revolutions were about to or had taken place. Why was Operation Northwoods aimed at Cuba and how do you explain the role of the US in Latin America at this time? Gladio? The Reichstag Fire? Gulf of Tonkin?
QUOTE ("Keelan")
the regime is what they wanted.
Why finance the Nazis to crush Bolshevism then?
We the people organised to dispossess the ruling class is what they fear more than anything, it is what the Bolsheviks advocated. Capitalists have never supported Marxists for this very reason, the accommodation made by Stalin (an anti-Marxist, and the second most counter-revolutionary force after Imperialism) with the Capitalist countries suited them all fine - the Cold War was the excuse for the 'arms race' which has now morphed into the war of terror. It's all connected.
QUOTE
But I'm also well aware that communism and their underlying revolutions have never worked and in my opinion never will.
Worked for whom? Ask the people of Cuba if they'd prefer to be Haitians.
I'd suggest you read Lenin on Imperialism the highest stage of Capitalism before embarking on an analysis of the banking system. He certainly has a much deeper understanding of Finance Capital than Alex Jones (this section you call Alex Jones v Communists! I expect you couldn't find a clip that showed Alex Jones v Capitalists).
Marxism is really an understanding of how Capital works, what the motivating forces in history are, and what the next stage of development of humankind will be: the end of the private ownership of the means of production to be held in common by all.
justthefacts wrote:
Quote:
Alex Jones vs. Hard-of-Hearing Old Lefty would have been more accurate.
As soon as I saw *this without looking at the above post, I? thought what happend to Keelans films. And no I don't support Alex Jones.
Investigative documentary 7/7: Seeds of Deconstruction which examines some of the questions and conspiracy theories about 7/7 the July 7th 2005 London Bombings.
The first half of the film examines covert operations from three different periods - Central America 1954-63, Italy 1945-1990 and Afghanistan/Pakistan 1979-Present day. These operations are used to provide context to the second half of the film, which is a detailed analysis not only of the events of the day of 7/7, but of the intelligence and security policy of the War on Terror in which 7/7 happened.
Keelan, Troubadour has made a valid point which you haven't responded to.
QUOTE ("Troubadour")
Personally I feel that such a generalised history has no place in the film you started to make, and I would urge the site administrators to ask you to remove the generalised history or remove J7 as a source for your project.
Due to your seriously flawed & personal analysis of the history of the C20th contained in part 11, and it will be viewed as such by many, you cast a shadow over parts 1 -10. The J7 editorial team are of the opinion that whilst we have no control over the use of our research we would ask you to remove references to J7 from this video.
Troubadour wrote:
Quote:
All of us here have our pet theories and foibles. I am not a Marxist. I am a Gnostic Freemason who follows a "Progressive" path because the Inner Jesus calls me to such action (You cannot get more flaky than that). You are fully entitled to your opinion and are more than welcome to float it on the forum, where I am sure it will receive equal measures of praise and ridicule from forum members.
We can all of us freethink on the forum, float flaky theories and ideas, some of which will prove inspired, some will prove idiotic. That is the nature of a forum.
However, if the J7 community is to be involved as a whole, in any form of public statement, and a documentary film is a form of very public statement, then those statements must reflect the fact that we are questioning matters in a sober and considered manner, free of allegation and contraversial theories of historical matters. If the statements we make are too broad then we can be too easily dismissed. Such easy dismissals will damage attempts to exert legitimate pressure for full disclosure.
Hey guys, thanks for posting - I'd like to share the various links so you can see the whole thing. It went well beyond the scope of just 7/7 itself. And also a belated thanks to Tony; hope you didn't mind me using some clips of you in the film.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject:
No problem at all - a great bit of work
Keelan wrote:
Hey guys, thanks for posting - I'd like to share the various links so you can see the whole thing. It went well beyond the scope of just 7/7 itself. And also a belated thanks to Tony; hope you didn't mind me using some clips of you in the film.
Film is as interesting as the way this stuff works out.
Nick is poisoning the pill...
It's factual though Tony. And he doesn’t say anything that can be falsely or otherwise called racist in that video.
And I haven't until now pointed out that Keelan tells a big whopper about “now claims” when it was claimed in 1988. So the research there is very lacking.
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