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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:24 pm Post subject: Korea on nuke alert - live fire drills on disputed border
former headline South Korea's 'Hoguk' war game 'turns live'
you can find the opposite point of view on every English speaking TV channel 2 killed as Koreas exchange live fire
Tuesday 23 November 2010 - by Tom Mellen - Morning Star
At least two South Korean soldiers were killed and 17 more were injured today when the Korean People's Army (KPA) shelled the island of Yeonpyeong, setting buildings ablaze.
Three civilians were also wounded.
More than 200 shells pummelled the South Korean island, with most landing on a military base.
Seoul responded to the Yeonpyeong barrage by deploying fighter jets over the Yellow Sea.
The South's US-backed military is currently engaged in a massive annual war game involving 70,000 troops near the tense western maritime border with the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea (DPRK).
The KPA attack was apparently a response to South Korean forces firing artillery inside the territorial waters of the DPRK.
The KPA supreme command said that South Korea had ignored a warning not to go ahead with live fire exercises in the area.
"Despite our repeated warnings, South Korea fired dozens of shells from 1pm and we've taken strong military action immediately," their statement read.
"It is a traditional mode of counter-action of the army of the DPRK to counter the firing of the provocateurs with merciless strikes," the KPA top brass explained, adding that it does not indulge in "empty talk."
South Korea, which is still technically at war with the DPRK because the two sides have never signed a peace treaty, seems wary of further escalation.
South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, who convened an emergency meeting shortly after the exchanges of fire, cautioned against a possible escalation of the situation.
South Korean defence minister Kim Tae-young said: "We urge North Korea to immediately stop provocation and we will sternly deal with it in case of further provocation."
Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Hong Lei said this afternoon that Beijing was still verifying what had actually happened, and urged the two Koreas to "do things conducive to peace and stability."
The US, which has 28,000 soldiers stationed in South Korea, condemned Pyongyang's "belligerent action" and declared that it was committed to defend the South.
The UN security council is expected to call an emergency meeting on the Korean situation within days.
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Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:54 pm Post subject:
IMO the South Koreans have clearly provoked this exchange by holding a live firing exercise right on the border. Why didn't they hold the exercise somewhere away from the border?
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:57 pm Post subject:
Proto-fascist Mark Urban on Newsnight in his 7 minute report forgot to mention the major cause of this exchange, the South Korean wargame exercise (codename Hoguk) did not exist for him.
Quote:
South Korean authorities continued to aggravate the situation in the Peninsula by carrying out the military maneuvers dubbed Hoguk.
The North Korean armed forces decided to respond with an immediate and strong physical strike.
The high command warned it would not hesitate to wage a counterattack if South dares to invade its territorial waters.
http://www.escambray.cu/Eng/world/thekoreas1011231103
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Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject:
I've just started reading 'hidden history of the korean war' by I F Stone; it appears highly likely from what I have read so far that US was fully aware of tense situation, and wanted a war, but feigned indifference (like they did with Saddam's invasion of Kuwait), and 'accepted' (or rather, promulgated, South Korea's (US-ordered) 'North attacked first' report (shades of 1967 'Six-Day War', and indeed, similar to the US machinations towards Pearl attack)
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-28/south-korea-rejects-china- call-for-talks-as-naval-drills-begin.html) (though they are probably sh*tting themselves, aware as well as anyone of US self-serving machinations):
More to follow, but definitely seems extremely serious and imminent. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Artillery Heard in North Korea;
U.S. Carrier Enters Yellow Sea 28
Nov 2010 Residents of South Korea’s Yeonpyeong island were ordered to bomb
shelters after artillery shots were heard on the North Korean mainland and U.S.
warships began naval exercises in the nearby waters of the Yellow Sea. The echo
of shots rang out this morning, said a South Korean Defense Ministry official
who declined to be named, citing military policy. While residents were later
allowed out of shelters, the aircraft carrier USS George Washington joined South
Korean vessels for four days of drills.
US, S.Korea in show of force as
islanders take refuge 28 Nov 2010
The United States and South Korea staged a potent show of naval strength Sunday
as residents of a border island bombarded last week by North Korea scurried for
shelter for fear of a new attack. The Yellow Sea naval drill, spearheaded by the
massive US nuclear-powered aircraft carrier George Washington, aims to send a
message of deterrence to the North but has sparked strong criticism from
Pyongyang's ally China.
North Korea readies missiles as
U.S.-South Korea drill begins 27 Nov
2010 North Korea has placed surface-to-surface missiles on launch pads in the
Yellow Sea, Yonhap news agency reported on Sunday, as the United States and
South Korea began joint military exercises that have upset neighbor China. The
agency also said North Korea had moved surface-to-air missiles to frontline
areas, days after it shelled a tiny South Korean island killing four people. The
North's official KCNA news agency warned of retaliatory action if its territory
is violated.
Expats recalled as North Korea
prepares for war
--'Traders have left the kiosks and markets, workers have abandoned building
sites, and North Korean secret service employees working in the region have
joined them and left.' 27 Nov 2010 A mass exodus of North Korean
workers from the Far East of Russia is under way, according to reports coming
out of the region. As the two Koreas edged towards the brink of war this week,
it appears that the workers in Russia have been called back to aid potential
military operations. Vladnews agency, based in Vladivostok, reported that North
Korean workers had left the town of Nakhodka en masse shortly after the
escalation of tension on the Korean peninsula earlier this
week.
S. Korea orders journalists off
island 28 Nov 2010 The sound of new
artillery fire from North Korea just hours after the U.S. and South Korea
launched a round of war games in Korean waters sent residents and journalists on
a front-line island scrambling for cover Sunday. None of the rounds landed on
Yeonpyeong Island, military officials said, but South Korea's Defense Ministry
later ordered journalists off the island.
Japan on high alert amid war
games 28 Nov 2010 Japan is
increasing its vigilance amid a joint military drill by the United States and
South Korea in the Yellow Sea a week after an alleged North Korean attack on the
Yeonpyeong Island. Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan told reporters on Friday
night that the government is taking all possible measures, Japan's public
broadcaster NHK reported on Saturday. Kan instructed all cabinet ministers to
remain in Tokyo during the military exercises in order to prepare for any
contingency. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:33 am Post subject:
Hows this for a scenario?
First the boys come round to the conference.
Then when you won't pay up.
They put the windows though.
Could it be that simple?
1. World powers, China particularly, refuse to go align with the US quantitative easing plan put forward at the Seoul G20.
2. South Korea launches 'wargame'.
3. North Korea shells island and China and Russia dump the dollar.
4. South Korea announce joint exercise with the US on the disputed border.........
The US is seeking a pretext to wage war on North Korea.
North Korea is said to constitute a threat to Global Security.
From the Truman Doctrine to Obama. The history of the 1950s Korean war confirms that extensive war crimes were committed against the Korean people. As confirmed by the statement of General Curtis Lemay:
"Over a period of three years or so we killed off - what - twenty percent of the population."1
North Korea lost close to thirty percent of its population as a result of US led bombings in the 1950s. US military sources confirm that 20 percent of North Korea's population was killed off over a three period of intensive bombings:
"After destroying North Korea's 78 cities and thousands of her villages, and killing countless numbers of her civilians, [General] LeMay remarked, "Over a period of three years or so we killed off - what - twenty percent of the population." It is now believed that the population north of the imposed 38th Parallel lost nearly a third its population of 8 - 9 million people during the 37-month long "hot" war, 1950 - 1953, perhaps an unprecedented percentage of mortality suffered by one nation due to the belligerance of another."2
During The Second World War the United Kingdom lost 0.94% of its population, France lost 1.35%, China lost 1.89% and the US lost 0.32%. During the Korean war, North Korea lost close to 30 % of its population.
These figures of civilian deaths in North Korea should also be compared to those compiled for Iraq by the Lancet Study (John Hopkins School of Public Health). The Lancet study estimated a total of 655,000 Iraqi civilian deaths, following the US led invasion (March 2003- June 2006).
We call upon the people of the US, Canada and NATO countries to put pressure on their governments.
A war on North Korea would engulf the entire region.
PEACE IS PATRIOTIC.
SAY NO TO A WAR ON KOREA
SAY NO TO MILITARY ESCALATION
Michel Chossudovsky, Global Research, 27 November 2010
NOTE
1. Curtis Lemay quoted in Richard Rhodes, "The General and World War III," The New Yorker, June 19, 1995, p. 53.
2. See Brian Willson,Korea and the Axis of Evil, Global Research, October 2006
3. The population of North Korea was of the order of 8-9 million in 1950 prior the Korean war.
US sources acknowledge 1.55 million civilian deaths in North Korea, 215,000 combat deaths. MIA/POW 120,000, 300,000 combat troops wounded. (Wikipedia)
South Korean military sources estimate the number of civilian deaths/wounded/missing at 2.5 million, of which some 990,900 are in South Korea.
Another estimate places Korea War total deaths, civilian plus combat at 3.5 million.
Out Of Control – The Risk Of A New Korean War
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by Gregory Elich
An artillery duel between North and South Korean forces on November 23 has set in motion a series of events which threaten to spiral out of control.
On November 22, South Korea began its annual military exercise, involving including 70,000 troops, dozens of South Korean and U.S. warships and some 500 aircraft. The following day, South Korean artillery stationed on Yeonpyeong Island began a live ammunition drill, firing shells into the surrounding sea.
The island is situated quite near to the North Korean mainland, and lies in disputed waters. At the end of the Korean War in 1953, U.S. General Mark Clark unilaterally established the western sea border to North Korea’s disadvantage. Rather than in a perpendicular line, the Northern Limit Line was drawn to curve sharply upwards, handing over islands and a prime fishing area to the South that would otherwise have gone to North Korea. The North, having had no say in the delineation of its sea border, has never recognized the Northern Limit Line. (1)
South Korean troops have been based on the island since the end of the Korean War. There is also a small fishing village in close proximity to the military base; unavoidably so, given that the island is less than three square miles in size.
In response to the South Korean announcement of an impending artillery drill, North Korea telephoned the South Korean military on the morning of November 23, urging them to cancel plans to fire shells into what the North regarded as its territorial waters. The North warned that if the drill proceeded, they would respond with a “resolute physical counter-strike.” (2)
Nevertheless, the artillery drill proceeded and four hours later, North Korean artillery fired on the island. In the first round, 150 shells were shot, of which 60 hit the island. Then 20 more shells were fired in a second round. In all, four people on the island were killed and 18 wounded. (3)
The South Korean military telegraphed the North, asking them to cease, but to no avail. Then their artillery returned fire at the North, firing 80 shells. One shell directly hit a North Korean military barracks. Although many of the shells appeared to have inflicted little damage, an official at the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff noted, “Satellite images show our shells landed on a cluster of barracks in North Korea, so we presume there have been many casualties and considerable property damage.” (4)
Facing a barrage of criticism from domestic hawks for having responded in too tepid a manner, South Korean Defense Minister Kim Tae-young resigned from his position. Yet the South Korean response probably could not have been increased significantly without risking a wider conflict.
During the drill, South Korean artillery on Yeonpyeong Island fired in a southward direction, away from the North Korean mainland, and this was not the first time that such drills had been conducted. North Korean forces could have made their point sufficiently by splashing some shells into the sea. Instead, they overreacted in a manner that manifested an inexcusable disregard for human life by targeting the island.
Why the North did so can best be explained by recent developments in relations between the two Koreas. This was, after all, the first artillery duel between the two nations in forty years, so something led to it.
President Lee Myung-bak of the conservative Grand National Party took office in February 2008, vowing to reverse the Sunshine Policy of warming relations with North Korea. The government of Lee’s predecessor, Roh Moo-hyun, had signed several agreements on economic cooperation with North Korea, including joint mining operations in the North. Lee killed every one these agreements, ensuring that they would never be implemented. The railroad leading from the South to the North, which had just been reconnected under former President Roh, is now closed for good. That project had promised to benefit both Koreas, providing the South with a cheaper and more convenient route for shipping goods to China and Russia, and giving the North added income through user fees. South Korean tourist operations at Mt. Kumgang in the North are closed. Reunions of family members separated by the border have stopped. The only remaining remnant of the Sunshine Policy is the presence of South Korean firms operating at an industrial park in Kaesong, North Korea, and its days are probably numbered.
Then there was the incident in which the South Korean corvette Cheonan was sunk, in May of this year. In a stacked investigation, South Korea concluded that a North Korean submarine had targeted the vessel with a torpedo. The evidence, however, does not fully back that assertion and a Russian team’s investigation determined that an accidental encounter with a sea mine was a more likely cause. (5) North Korea’s repeated requests to participate in an investigation, or to at least view the evidence, were consistently rebuffed. Instead the Lee Administration utilized the incident to further sour relations between the two Koreas.
Perhaps most significantly, when Roh Moo-hyun was president of South Korea, emergency communication channels were established between the two Koreas, specifically for the purpose of opening dialogue and limiting or preventing armed conflicts whenever they arose or threatened to do so. On a number of occasions, those communication channels stopped potential conflicts before they either occurred or escalated. Those channels no longer exist, thanks to Lee’s dismantling of agreements with North Korea, and as a result four South Koreans and an unknown number of North Koreans are now dead. (6)
That North Korea would feel threatened is not surprising. Its economy is crippled by the imposition of draconian Western sanctions, and the annual South Korean-U.S. military exercises are intended to intimidate. Furthermore, the rhetoric from Washington has been unremittingly hostile, and now with a more conservative government, so is South Korea’s.
Nor is North Korea unaware of the fact that in February 2003, President Bush told Chinese President Jiang Zemin that if the nuclear issue could not be solved diplomatically, he would “have to consider a military strike against North Korea.” (7) One month later, Bush ordered a fleet into the region, including the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson. Six F-117 Stealth bombers were sent to South Korea, and nearly 50 fighters and bombers to Guam. The possibility of military action was on the table, Bush told a South Korean official. ( Due to the efforts of China and South Korea’s progressive president at the time, Bush chose dialogue, albeit offset to a large degree by his imposition of further sanctions against North Korea. It has also certainly not gone unnoticed by North Korea that any halting diplomatic efforts have ceased altogether once President Obama took office. And with the pronounced deterioration in relations set in motion by President Lee Myung-bak, his administration has made it clear that he has no interest in diplomacy either.
Following the clash over Yeonpyeong, China called for dialogue and a reduction of tensions, sending envoys to both South and North Korea. It proposed that the six nations that had at one time participated in denuclearization talks, South and North Korea, the U.S., Japan, China and Russia, meet for emergency discussions “to exchange views on major issues of concern to the parties at present.” The meetings would not be a resumption of talks on denuclearization, although China hoped that “they will create conditions for their resumption.” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei stated, “The starting point for China proposing emergency consultations is to ease the tensions on the Korean Peninsula and provide a platform of engagement and dialogue.” (9)
The Chinese proposal should have been welcomed as the only sensible approach to the problem. But officials of the Obama Administration condemned China for being “irresponsible” by putting forth such a proposal. Instead, they urged China to get on board with the program of pressuring North Korea and further escalating tensions and the risk of war. White House spokesman Robert Gibbs snottily dismissed the proposal by saying that the U.S. and other nations “are not interested in stabilizing the region through a series of P.R. activities.” (10)
South Korea, too, rejected China’s proposal. The U.S., South Korea, and Japan willfully misrepresented China’s proposal as merely being a call for a resumption of the six-party talks on denuclearization. Domestic audiences were not hearing that the proposal’s purpose was to prevent further conflict. Instead, Japan said that talks would be “impossible” under the circumstances, while a South Korean official said that President Lee “made it clear that now is not the time for discussing” six-party talks. (11) Indeed. Not when one’s goal is to further inflame the situation. To further that objective, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is meeting with the foreign secretaries of South Korea and Japan to map out a common program in dealing with North Korea. (12) It goes without saying that dialogue with North Korea will not be part of that program.
President Lee has promised to take a much harder line on North Korea, and already the South has sent 400,000 propaganda leaflets across the border on balloons. (13) There has also been talk of resuming loudspeaker broadcasts across the border. The sending of leaflets was in violation of a 2004 agreement between the two sides to halt propaganda campaigns aimed at each other.
By the end of December, South Korea plans to hold another round of artillery drills on islands lying in disputed waters, including, dismayingly enough, Yeonpyeong Island. Nothing could be calculated to be more provoking under the circumstances. In preparation for the response to the drills that are expected from North Korea, island defenses are being beefed up. South Korea has added multiple rocket launchers, howitzers, missile systems and advanced precision-guided artillery to the Yeonpyeong arsenal. (14)
According to a South Korean official, “We decided to stage the same kind of fire drill as the one we carried out on the island on November 23 to display our determination.” (15)
The new drills appear calculated to provoke a conflict, and this time South Korea is intent on an asymmetrical response. The military is revising its rules of engagement so as to jettison concerns about starting a wider conflict. If former Defense Minister Kim Tae-young is to believed, if there is another North Korean strike, then warships and fighter jets of both South Korea and the U.S. will launch attacks on the North. (16)
Incoming Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin is if anything even more determined to fan the flames of conflict into a wider conflagration. The South Korean military will immediately launch “psychological warfare,” including, presumably, loudspeaker broadcasts across the border. The North has promised to target loudspeakers if they are put in operation, and that would in turn provide the pretext for the South Korean military to launch combat operations. If there is another exchange of fire with the North, Kim announced, “We will definitely air raid North Korea.” All combat forces available would be mobilized, he promised. The newly minted rules of engagement are also going to permit “preemptive” strikes on North Korea based on the presumption of a possible attack. In other words, if North Korea fails to provide a pretext for military action, the Lee Administration can attack the North without provocation, if it chooses to do so. (17)
Lee Myung-bak has already achieved his dream of demolishing the Sunshine Policy. Relations between the two Koreas are at their lowest point since the end of military dictatorship in South Korea. Now he aims to deliberately trigger armed conflict in order to demonstrate “toughness,” and not incidentally, drive the final nail into the coffin of the Sunshine Policy. Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin feels that the risk of war is low. “It will be difficult for North Korea to conduct a full-scale war because there are some elements of insecurity in the country, such as the national economy and power transfer.” (1 Those may be arguments against North Korea’s ability to successfully sustain a long-term war over the course of a year or two, but it seriously misreads the ability and will of the North Korean military to put up a determined fight. The extent of possible South Korean air strikes on the North is not clear, but anything other than an extremely limited and localized action is likely to trigger total war. And that is a war that the U.S. will inevitably be drawn into. Even presuming a quick defeat of the North (which would be unlikely), eighty percent of North Korea is mountainous, providing ideal terrain for North Korean forces to conduct guerrilla warfare. The U.S. could find itself involved in another failing military occupation. With both sides heavily armed, the consequences could be much worse for Koreans, and casualties could reach alarming totals. Four million Koreans died in the Korean War. Even one percent of that total in a new war would be unconscionable, and Lee Myung-bak is deluded if he believes he can ride the tiger of armed conflict and remain in control of the path it takes.
Notes
(1) For a map of the Northern Limit Line and Yeonpyeong’s placement, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_the_shelling_of_Yeonpyeong.sv g The blue line identifies the Northern Limit Line recognized by South Korea and the U.S., and the red line, the border as recognized by North Korea. Yeonpyeong Island is marked #1 on the map.
(2) “Panmunjom Mission of KPA Sends Notice to U.S. Forces Side,” KCNA (Pyongyang), November 25, 2010.
(3) “Military Under Fire for Response to N. Korean Attack,” Chosun Ilbo (Seoul), November 25, 2010.
(4) “Military Suggests Counterfire Caused ‘Many Casualties’ in N. Korea,” Yonhap (Seoul), December 2, 2010. Jung Sung-ki, “Satellite Image Shows Damages in NK Artillery Site,” Korea Times (Seoul), December 2, 2010.
(5) http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20367
(6) “Containment After N.Korea’s Unacceptable Provocation,” Hankyoreh (Seoul), November 24, 2010.
(7) Hwang Doo-hyong, “Bush Expresses Frustration at China’s Reluctance to Dissuade N. Korea from Going Nuclear: Memoir,” Yonhap (Seoul), November 10, 2010.
(8 ) “Bush Admits He Considered a Military Strike Against North Korea,” Korean Broadcasting System (Seoul), March 18, 2004. ”Carl Vinson Strike Group CVN-70 ‘Gold Eagle’,” www.globalsecurity.org Will Dunham, “U.S. Military Operations for N.Korea Fraught with Peril,” Reuters, April 25, 2003.
(9) Kim Young-gyo, “China Calls for Emergency Talks on N. Korean Nukes,” Yonhap (Seoul), November 28, 2010. ”China Calls for Resumption of Dialogue, Negotiations for Korean Peninsula Situation,” Xinhua (Beijing), November 30, 2010. ”Chinese FM Talks with DPRK, ROK, U.S. Diplomats on Korean Peninsular Situation,” Xinhua (Beijing), November 26, 2010.
(10) Helene Cooper and Sharon LaFraniere, “U.S. and South Korea Balk at Talks with North,” New York Times, November 30, 2010.
(11) Hwang Joon bum and Park Min-hee, “Lee Administration Rejects Six-Party Talks Proposal,” Hankyoreh (Seoul), November 29, 2010. Tania Branigan, “US Rejects Talks with North Korea,” The Guardian (London), November 30, 2010.
(12) “Kim, Clinton Agree to Reject China’s Proposal for Talks on N. Korea,” Yonahp (Seoul), December 1, 2010.
(13) “S. Korea Sent Propaganda Leaflets to N. Korea After Artillery Attack,” Yonhap (Seoul), November 26, 2010.
(14) Jung Sung-ki, “Seoul Plans Live-Fire Drill Next Week,” Korea Times (Seoul), December 1, 2010. ”New Defence Minister to Decide When to Stage Firing Drills in Yellow Sea,” Yonhap (Seoul), December 3, 2010. ”Tension Mounts as Firing Drill Planned,” JoongAng Ilbo (Seoul), December 2, 2010.
(15) “S. Korea to Stage Fresh Firing Drill on Yeonpyeong Island,” Chosun Ilbo (Seoul), November 30, 2010.
(16) Jung Sung-ki, “Seoul Vows Naval, Air Strikes on NK,” Korea Times (Seoul), November 29, 2010.
(17) “Defense Minister Nominee Vows Air Strikes if Attacked by N. Korea,” Yonhap (Seoul), December 3, 2010. Kim Kwang-tae, “SKorea Defense Nominee Vows Airstrikes on North,” Associated Press, December 2, 2010. Song Sang-ho, “Kim Warns Air Strike on North Korea,” Korea Herald (Seoul), December 3, 2010. Na Jeong-ju, “Defense Chief-Nominee Vows Air Strikes if Attacked,” Korea Times (Seoul), December 3, 2010. Mark McDonald, “South Korean Outlines Muscular Military Postures,” New York Times, December 3, 2010.
(1 “Defense Minister Nominee Vows Air Strikes if Attacked by N. Korea,” Yonhap (Seoul), December 3, 2010.
Gregory Elich is on the Board of Directors of the Jasenovac Research Institute and on the Advisory Board of the Korea Truth Commission. He is the author of the book Strange Liberators: Militarism, Mayhem, and the Pursuit of Profit.
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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject:
Are they gonna 'go for it' to kick off WWIII for us this Christmas? Media all on holiday the way the NWO like it.
Residents of South Korean island fleeing ahead of military drills
From Kyung Lah, CNN
December 19, 2010 -- Updated 1942 GMT (0342 HKT)
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/19/south.korea.yeonpyeong .island/
Yeonpyeong Island, South Korea (CNN) -- Amid South Korean plans to hold live-fire military drills this week and North Korean threats of retaliation, many residents of Yeonpyeong Island are evacuating, afraid of being caught in the middle.
Villagers streamed onto what they believed was the last ferry to Incheon, South Korea, on Sunday, carrying what belongings they could. Some were holding their children as others helped the elderly.
"I'm leaving because they said the drills are tomorrow," said Kim Ok Jin, 66.
Kim said the island was once a good place to live and she does not want to leave.
"Of course I'm angry," she said. "But that's not going to change anything."
Many Yeonpyeong residents are evacuating for a second time. This time, however, they have warning. On November 23, they had none before North Korea began shelling the island. Two civilians and two South Korean Marines died in the attack.
The South Korean military said Thursday that its drills will take place in the seas southwest of Yeonpyeong Island between December 18 and 21, but bad weather forced a delay Saturday. South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported the drills will take place Monday or Tuesday in the Yellow Sea off the island. _________________ www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org www.rethink911.org www.patriotsquestion911.com www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org www.mediafor911truth.org www.pilotsfor911truth.org www.mp911truth.org www.ae911truth.org www.rl911truth.org www.stj911.org www.v911t.org www.thisweek.org.uk www.abolishwar.org.uk www.elementary.org.uk www.radio4all.net/index.php/contributor/2149 http://utangente.free.fr/2003/media2003.pdf
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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject:
I'm just reading 'The Hidden History of the Korean War' by I F Stone.
From what I have read so far, it looks like MacArthur, Syngman Rhee (South Korea) and Chiang Kai-shek (on Formosa) were the ones who wanted the war, not the Soviets or the Chinese.
But of course, then North Korea did not have nuclear weapons (the Russians, whilst training and supplying a modern army for N. Korea, had even refused to provide them with an airforce, in case they became too aggressive.
(I don't know the details, having only started the book, but as the war progressed, I believe both China and Russia supplied modern aircraft to N. Korea) _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Rare people know that N.Korea is a puppet of the US.
Hound lost value to exist when the fox distinguished. To justify its value to exist, modern hound to cultivate fox.
The modern fox created by the Feds are North Korea and Al Qaida. With which the Feds(D.O.D. and D.O.J.) keep on asking for more power and money from people.
Different from Iraq and Iran, North Korea always gets reward from its master for what it did - food aid, economic aid for its nuclear weapon production, missile test, war threat....
Quote:
U.S. to Ship Oil To North Korea
Bush Cites Progress on Denuclearization
By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 29, 2007
The president's order means the United States soon will send 50,000 metric tons of fuel worth about $25 million to the impoverished and isolated Stalinist government. In justifying the move, the White House cited North Korea's recent commitment to complete an inventory of its nuclear programs and disable its existing nuclear facilities by the end of the year.
Resumption of U.S. Food Assistance to the North Korean People
May 16, 2008
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The United States intends to provide the DPRK (North Korea) with 500,000 metric tons in food commodities over the course of a 12-month program beginning in June 2008,
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:06 am Post subject: Or how desperate...
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How sick are the Propagandists?
WW3/Korean NWO comes to your living room
Or rather, it is a sign of how desperate they are.
Seems to me the NWO are failing on many fronts despite how powerful they remain. The most significant is the failure to kick off World War III. They have been drivelling on about Iran for years but can't make up their minds. If they haven't managed a war with Iran by now, they never will. They are so desperate for WWIII that they've had to go to Korea to find a war. If the countries went to war, most Americans would feel, 'who cares?': it would not be a reason for global government.
Indeed, Wikileaks is virtually an acknowledge about the decline of the US and special pleading to the rest of the world that they should not treat them badly. (Wikileaks came after the rest of the world got angry about the US' second quantitative easing. The world ordered them not to do it again - this is unprecedented.)
They haven't managed to arrange another 911 scale attack, or a mini-nuke/dirty bomb, in the West. Bird flu got nowhere. The global warming scam is virtually dead. And they haven't managed a global economic recession (it's in the West but not even in Australia).
They only thing they can use to scare people into global government is a video game about North Korea invading the US. It's ridiculous.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Or how desperate...
insidejob wrote:
Disco Destroyer
Quote:
How sick are the Propagandists?
WW3/Korean NWO comes to your living room
Or rather, it is a sign of how desperate they are.
Seems to me the NWO are failing on many fronts despite how powerful they remain. The most significant is the failure to kick off World War III. They have been drivelling on about Iran for years but can't make up their minds. If they haven't managed a war with Iran by now, they never will. They are so desperate for WWIII that they've had to go to Korea to find a war. If the countries went to war, most Americans would feel, 'who cares?': it would not be a reason for global government.
Indeed, Wikileaks is virtually an acknowledge about the decline of the US and special pleading to the rest of the world that they should not treat them badly. (Wikileaks came after the rest of the world got angry about the US' second quantitative easing. The world ordered them not to do it again - this is unprecedented.)
They haven't managed to arrange another 911 scale attack, or a mini-nuke/dirty bomb, in the West. Bird flu got nowhere. The global warming scam is virtually dead. And they haven't managed a global economic recession (it's in the West but not even in Australia).
They only thing they can use to scare people into global government is a video game about North Korea invading the US. It's ridiculous.
Sure it's not whipping people into a War Frenzy? after all over the past 15-20 years they have been busily stripping our Moral Human Decency in the West, most don't even bat an eyelid to Torture any more
I expect many out there now would just revel at running a Bayonet through someone they didn't know _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:35 pm Post subject: Desperately failing?
Disco Destroyer
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Sure it's not whipping people into a War Frenzy?
I expect many out there now would just revel at running a Bayonet through someone they didn't know
I'm sure that you're right when you say the computer game is an attempt to get people to accept a WWIII.
But I can't see the dumbed-down US public buying a new WWIII in the foreseeable future. A US war that doesn't visibly affect them much - yes. One where they could get nuked - definitely not. The NWO would have to do a mini-nuke attack on the US to get people duped enough. Such a terror strike looks pretty unlikely.
I'd say the Armageddon plan has one in ten chance of happening in the foreseeable future. I think there is too much opposition among the elite and too much worry among them about the public seeing through it.
I don't think so, too many hotheads in the world.
People constantly playing the blame game, there is a hell of alot just waiting for an excuse imo _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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North Korea strongly rejected the United Nations Security Council’s presidential statement on Pyongyang’s recent attempt to launch a satellite. The statement, approved by all 15 council members, said that any use of ballistic missile technology, even characterized as a satellite launch, is a serious violation of UN resolutions.
Pyonyang resolutely responded, claiming their sovereign right to reach outer space in accordance with international law. North Korea’s Foreign Ministry further argued that the US is preventing peaceful activities with countries that are not aligned with Washington.
In a statement, carried by North Korea's official news agency on Tuesday, North Korea completely rejected the UN's actions, deeming their behavior unreasonable and in violation of their legitimate right to launch a satellite. North Korea also declared the end to the February 29th agreement holding the US responsible after stopping food aid.
In the so-called Leap Day Deal, North Korea agreed to suspend its uranium-enriched program in exchange for food assistance. Claiming Washington first broke the pledge, the North Korean Foreign Ministry stated the United Nations 15-member council has “double standards,” an argument foreshadowed by analysts.
Pyongyang stated it would take necessary retaliatory punitive measures. Meanwhile, top US military commander in the Pacific expressed his desire for the North to refrain from any further military action because all options are on the table.
US State Department Spokesperson Mark Toner responded to North Korea’s statement, suggesting it was Pyongyang that had reneged on their commitments, resulting in the suspension of food aid, adding that the February 29th deal was not a legal agreement but rather a pledge of commitment by North Korea.
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