Joanna Yeates murdered by violent porn obsessed Dutchman

fish5133 · Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject:

On the ritualistic angle doesnt the victim need to actually be alive (albeit drugged, drunk whatever) at the sacrificial time. The ones i have read about usually involved the victim not knowing they actually were to be a victim and are brought into some trance like condition. Being stripped naked is also used and if the killers had gone to trouble of redressing the body that could account for the misssed sock.

I dont recall the police having so many press conferences and drip feeding info. The "missing sock" could be the obvious plant to incriminate someone. Wouldnt surprise me if it suddenly gets connected back to the Landlord.
I wonder if they are drip feeding info as they are carrying out surveiilance on suspects just to see their reactions.
Bet the landlords car has been fitted with tracker or bugged.

TonyGosling · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject:

Now censorship on this too
Bristol Indymedia censored the post I made last night here

Ten days on was Jo Yeates a victim of white man's black magic?
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/702731

Extraordinary that this specific possibility should be so vehemently discounted.
Socks, drains?
Our station has been called by the police and told not to report ANY speculation on the case. No charges yet of course.
The station manager should rightly have told them to get a high court injunction but has not done so.

TonyGosling · Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:18 pm Post subject:

Somerset
Satanist church planned for Taunton
BBC - 22 February 2005 1604 GMT
A Satanist priest is proposing to open a church in Taunton as soon as suitable premises have been found.
Many people associate Satanism with animal sacrifices. Is this what you do?
"No, not at all. The point of sacrifice in traditional Satanism is to heighten a magical presence.
"Modern Satanism says that this chemical release will come from within when performing certain rituals. We're strictly against sacrifice.
"We do have an altar and candles, and we do dress up in cloaks that cover our faces, even though people interpret this in a negative way."....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/somerset/so/2004/06/satanist_church.shtml

TonyGosling · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:02 am Post subject:

You can also listen to me here
http://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/48422

The fact that the winter solstice full moon fell during the week between when Joanne was abducted and when her body was found suggests her murder may have been a ritual killing.
It's certainly a long shot but if it's possible then time is of the essence because several, if not many individuals may have witnessed her murder and would have been away from home the night of Tuesday 21st December, the last Tuesday before Christmas. This would be evident to many of their friends or aquaintances but not unless police or journalists ask if anyone noticed an unusual absence that specific night.

My article which is here
http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=190790

has also been censored from Bristol Indymedia. here

Ten days on ... was Jo Yeates a victim of white man's black magic?
http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/702731

Joanne's parents told the press Avon and Somerset police have been keeping them in the dark, they have now made a statement saying they suport the police.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/12/29/joanna-yeates-murd er-investigation-boyfriend-greg-reardon-is-not-a-suspect-say-police-11 5875-22812756/

ITN and a forensic former murder squad professional have criticised the investigation and were then banned from police press conferences.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8242477/Joanna-Yeates-mur der-Avon-and-Somerset-Police-accused-of-censorship-over-ITN-press-ban. html

fish5133 · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:30 am Post subject:

Andrew. · Validated Poster Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 1518

Yeates murder...it dont make sense

The poster "thecrownsucks" is not me BTW, I can't see what other post's they have written as there is no search for none members.

TonyGosling · Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:52 am Post subject:

yes but with a week in between it would be a slow journey
or more likely two completely different journeys

Other forum discussing the sock missing being a possible reference to masonic ritual only obvious to 'insiders'.

Yeates murder...it dont make sense
http://tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=26626

TonyGosling · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:23 pm Post subject:

Another factoid the police may have missed.

http://bristol.indymedia.org/article/25574?&condense_comments=false#co mment32339

The Ram pub, which was where Jo had her final drink before she went home that evening, is the nearest pub to Bristol's central freemasons hall (with Royal Arch temple within) on the opposite side of Park Street.

Have a look with Google Street View - Frreemasons Hall is visible directly behind this view of The Ram pub
http://tinyurl.com/2w7fm2f
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=opera&rls=en-GB&oe=utf-8&um=1&ie=UT F-8&q=bristol+freemasons+hall&fb=1&hq=freemasons+hall&hnear=Bristol,+C ity+of+Bristol,+UK&cid=0,0,13206622349090693148&ei=_mMoTZP3FYbhQeCrcz2 Cg&sa=X&oi=local_result&ct=image&resnum=2&ved=0CBsQnwIwAQ

fish5133 · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject:

Is that a light coloured 4x4 parked outside!

I see now its The Sun sponsored £50,000 Reward T Shirts at the Bristol football match. Dont think they would have tried that one in Liverpool.

I think the ritual killing stuff may require the "shedding of blood" if Satanic rather than strangling

Is longwood lane still closed and is that normal in a murder investigation?

TonyGosling · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 7:08 pm Post subject:

For me the ritual murder hypothesis makes some sense because of the winter solstice full moon timing and strange early press coverage of Joanna's disappearance. Linked to that is the horror of her dead body being found on Christmas day. Naomi Klein Shock Doctrine style.
An occult ritual killing fits in with the nature of organised evil as I see it at work in the world today.

re above... The Bristol City boss Stephen Lansdown (on the left) is one of the chief Bristol Elitists. Not to be confused with Mocata from The Devil Rides Out (on the right).

He has a particular disdain for our democraticallly elected council and uses his friends who own and edit the Bristol Evening Post to bully the councillors.

NOW some more potential clues for police and public:

If it were a ritual murder it's likely Joanna would have been strangled close to where the body was found.
I already mentioned black magic designer house The Observatory in Flax Bourton linked to Alistair Crowley down the road.
The Old Bristolian Society war memorial, pavillion and playing ground is on Longwood Lane itself where the body was found.
Nearby, off Manor Road you'll find the lake and cave at Abbot's Pool.
All three are possible crime scenes if ths were a ritual killing.

TonyGosling · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:24 pm Post subject:

I had a chat to a friend today, this is it paraphrased:

The way the media have gone in to frenzy means that if it was a ritualistic satanic murder then the perpetrators will be gorging on all the attention from the public emotions of fear, anger, dismay and anguish that are being created and perpetuated. Despite dozens of other murder cases, why are the media selective over which murder cases they give air time to, and why do they go to town on some and not even report others, who makes these editorial decisions?

I've spoke to a satanic abuse survivor who claimed she'd been raped by her own dad, got pregnant and then the baby sacrificed in some big ceremony with a load of them there. When I asked why she didn't go to police she said that there were too many people involved (including cops) and that they would just pull the false memory/insane job on her or worse. This is not the only time I've come across this type of abuse and as you know there are many other reported cases of a similar ilk.

That whole area West of the Avon Gorge is riddled with white and black magicians of all types - I've come across witches circles complete with doll effigies, the works; off the beaten track in Leigh Woods - I'm guessing they've all taken their stuff away now due to the police combing the area.

Also.... some specific information on the full moon sent to me by email

Immersion of full moon began on December 21 at 16h17 UT and end at 07h34UT (all times in UT)

December 22 17h29 - 08h20

December 23 18h46 - 01h20 immersion & emersion in Gemelli 5h14-6h09 (castor & pollux)

December 24 20h05 - 02h15

December 25 21h23 - 09h57 immersion & emersion in Leo 1h11- 2h12 (regulus)

fish5133 · Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:53 pm Post subject:

If you were a burgler or wanting to hide in the flat when you heard the key in the latch where would you quickly hide-perhaps hoping to escape unnoticed? Burglars often target bedrooms where jewellry boxes kept. Hide under the bed?

what does a women do when she has just walked a mile or 2 home on a cold night. Take coat off, possibly hang it up, pee, make to the bedroom sit on the bed and take off those boots then take off sweaty ski socks or perhaps in this case only got to take off 1 sock before the killer gave "himself" away- she screams and he strangles.

where the pizza half drunk cider and reason to dump the body fits in is anyones guess.

Media Coverage

This is what our local rag has (obviously not young blond landscape architects)

Shoestring · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 25 Jul 2006 Posts: 325

Several articles have noted some remarkable similarities between between the death of Jo Yeates and the 1974 murder of Glenis Carruthers. Carruthers was found dead just outside Bristol zoo on January 19, 1974. She had been at the 21st birthday party of her friend Sandra Hardyman, but was killed after she left the party unnoticed, possibly to make a call from a nearby phone box.

As a curious coincidence, the Daily Telegraph noted, "Geoffrey Hardyman, who is Sandra Hardyman’s first cousin once removed, now lives above Joanna Yeates’s flat, which is around 350 yards from where the party was taking place."

According to the Daily Mail: "The 78-year-old former Clifton College classics master spoke out in the days following the disappearance of Joanna on December 17. He said: 'I wasn’t very well on the night she went missing and didn’t hear anything. I have heard reports there was a party in the area, but I heard absolutely nothing and I am quite a sensitive sleeper.'"

The Bristol Evening Post also has a good article on the similarities between the two murders.

Husq · Suspended Joined: 23 Nov 2009 Posts: 94

Police urged to DNA test EVERY man in Bristol in hunt for killer of Joanna Yeates

Kerry McCarthy, Labour MP for Bristol East, wants swabs to be taken from the entire male population - around 250,000 people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1345385/Police-urged-DNA-test- EVERY-man-Bristol-hunt-killer-Joanna-Yeates.html

fish5133 · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject:

acrobat74 · Trustworthy Freedom Fighter Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 836

Husq · Suspended Joined: 23 Nov 2009 Posts: 94

Interesting article from the past.

Bristol again.

Christmas Day killer trapped by DNA test

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/christmas-day-killer-trapped-by-dna- test-1143922.html

Wonder If any DNA samples were kept on record from tht 4,500 men?

TonyGosling · Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject:

Joanna Yeates murder: Why haven't cops viewed CCTV near the murder scene?
EXCLUSIVE by Simon Wright 9/01/2011
Police hunting Jo Yeates’ killer may have missed vital clues by failing to carry out basic checks on the nearest CCTV cameras to where her body was found, it was claimed last night.
Two cameras at the Redwood Hotel point out to the road which her murderer would almost certainly have driven along.
Management at the hotel - adjacent to Longwood Lane where Jo’s frozen body was found on Christmas Day – claimed detectives hadn’t asked for footage from the cameras.
Duty manager Sue Card said in a statement: “The police did not come here on Christmas Day. The police have not seen any of our CCTV footage and nor have they ever asked to.”
But police are adamant they DID visit the hotel on December 25th and say they were told the cameras weren’t working.
The apparent confusion over the cameras - which are pointed at the entrance and exit and aimed out towards the road - comes amid criticism in some quarters of the Avon and Somerset force’s investigation into Jo’s death.
Yesterday a force spokesman said: “We went to Redwood Hotel to get the CCTV in the very early stages of the investigation - when Jo was still just a missing person.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/2011/01/09/why-haven-t-cops-viewed-cctv-n ear-the-joanna-yeates-murder-scene-115875-22835722/

http://www.bcfm.org.uk/wp-content/Podcasts/20110103140001.mp3
http://www.bcfm.org.uk/wp-content/Podcasts/20110103150001.mp3
http://www.bcfm.org.uk/wp-content/Podcasts/20101231170001.mp3
http://www.bcfm.org.uk/wp-content/Podcasts/20101231180001.mp3

Andrew. · Validated Poster Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 1518

Husq · Suspended Joined: 23 Nov 2009 Posts: 94

Kidnapped' woman freed by armed police in Bristol

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12147552

WTF is going on in Bristol??

fish5133 · Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:13 pm Post subject:

Was joanna playing the field while boyfriend away for the weekend? Despite what her mother says

fish5133 · Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject:

Are they pushing for the DNA testing.? No early reports of DNA having been found then the suggestion to DNA test all Bristol men (including TG), then reports of saliva traces found on the body

TonyGosling · Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject:

I got this by email

Daniel Elliott · Minor Poster Joined: 07 Jan 2010 Posts: 74

Could 18-30 year old still be termed as 'children' in some respect? This rather echos Dean Warwicks words in his interview with Dave Starbuck.(He states 10 to 23 as a full range) Some of the intervew stuck me as being a bit far fetched, but may well be fact.

http://www.checktheevidence.com/audio/Dave%20Starbuck%20Interviews%20D ean%20Warwick%20-%20Oct%202006.mp3

His comments start at 27.30 regarding missing children.

TonyGosling · Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:22 pm Post subject:

Jo Yeates' parents appeal to 'armchair detectives' to find her killer a month on

"Many of us are 'armchair detectives', but if this activity triggers anything please come forward."

http://www.cliftonpeople.co.uk/groups/joanna-yeates/Jo-Yeates-parents- appeal-armchair-detectives/story-10562196-detail/story.html

fish5133 · Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject:

Not sure if this is bad reporting or I had my earlier facts muddled but I thought Joanna went to bargain Booze after Tesco. I did query if you could see the pizza in the bargain Booze cctv.

TonyGosling · Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:30 pm Post subject:

So why did it take Avon & Somerset detectives a month and well over a million pounds of public money to arrest the most obvious suspect. Jo's next door neighbour? They better be right.

fish5133 · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:34 am Post subject:

sycorax82 · Minor Poster Joined: 12 Aug 2007 Posts: 57

It could be as simple as...they were having an affair, she was threatening to end it/tell everyone, they argued, he strangled her. Maybe...

Judging by the lack of evidence of any kind of attack on Jo (apart from the obvious...) I would lean more towards the two of them already being sexually involved rather than her attacker's motive being sexual.

However...if the pizza and/or sock appear at all now then IMO the whole thing is bogus. The media are already playing the game by making everyone think it was Tabak without even being able to reveal why the police even arrested him. Once they pin the sock on him, if they do, that will be enough for the mob nation to go 'see, I told you it was him!' and so it's end of story...

fish5133 · Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:48 pm Post subject:

Looking into the shallow depths of my own mind and wondering about the psychology of the police/media unveiling of events, I see I would have put my house on it not being Jeffries the landlord probably based on the honest (not media hyped) limited info we had about the guy which character wise just showed him as some fairly harmless slightly eccentric guy who you could have spent an amusing evening with over a glass of wine.
However, now the innocent till proven guilty dutchman with an equally inoffensive and innocent CV who on paper i would equally put as innocent now arouses suspicions as I dont believe lightning can strike the same place twice with the police screwing up twice. But then that is maybe the same mental state that the investigating police are under as well.

The "fresh" evidence thing intrigues me -- maybe his girlfriend is somewhere linked in.

I remember at the time of the Soham murders and Huntleys arrest something didnt sit happy and then when the lead detective? was found with pedophile photos on his computer it certainly caused confusion.

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