Fisk: There will be another 9/11

[Dog]

From todays Independent.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1214522.ece

Robert Fisk: A terrible thought occurs to me - that there will be another 9/11
Published: 05 August 2006
The room shook. Not since the 1983 earthquake has my apartment rocked from side to side. That was the force of the Israeli explosions in the southern suburbs of Beirut - three miles from my home - and the air pressure changed in the house yesterday morning and outside in the street the palm trees moved.

Is it to be like this every day? How many civilians can you make homeless before you start a revolution? And what is next? Are the Israelis to bomb the centre of Beirut? The Corniche? Is this why all the foreign warships came and took their citizens away, to make Beirut safe to destroy?

Yesterday, needless to say, was another day of massacres, great and small. The largest appeared to be 40 farm workers in northern Lebanon, some of them Kurds - a people who do not even have a country. An Israeli missile was reported to have exploded among them as they loaded vegetables on to a refrigerated truck near Al-Qaa, a small village east of Hermel in the far north. The wounded were taken to hospital in Syria because the roads of Lebanon have now all been cratered by Israeli bomb-bursts. Later we learnt that an air strike on a house in the village of Taibeh in the south had killed seven civilians and wounded 10 seeking shelter from attack.

In Israel two civilians were killed by Hizbollah missiles but, as usual, Lebanon bore the brunt of the day's attacks which centred - incredibly - on the Christian heartland that has traditionally shown great sympathy towards Israel. It was the Christian Maronite community whose Phalangist militiamen were Israel's closest allies in its 1982 invasion of Lebanon yet Israel's air force yesterday attacked three highway bridges north of Beirut and - again as usual - it was the little people who died.

One of them was Joseph Bassil, 65, a Christian man who had gone out on his daily jogging exercise with four friends north of Jounieh. "His friends packed up after four rounds of the bridge because it was hot," a member of his family told us later. "Joseph decided to do one more jog on the bridge. That was what killed him." The Israelis gave no reason for the attacks - no Hizbollah fighters would ever enter this Christian Maronite stronghold and the only hindrance was caused to humanitarian convoys - and there were growing fears in Lebanon that the latest air raids were a sign of Israel's frustration rather any serious military planning.

Indeed, as the Lebanon war continues to destroy innocent lives - most of them Lebanese - the conflict seems to be increasingly aimless. The Israeli air force has succeeded in killing perhaps 50 Hizbollah members and 600 civilians and has destroyed bridges, milk factories, gas stations, fuel storage depots, airport runways and thousands of homes. But to what purpose?

Does the United States any longer believe Israel's claims that it will destroy Hizbollah when its army clearly cannot do anything of the kind? Does Washington not realise that when Israel grows tired of this war, it will plead for a ceasefire - which only Washington can deliver by doing what it most loathes to do: by taking the road to Damascus and asking for help from President Bashar al-Assad of Syria?

What in the meanwhile is happening to Lebanon? Bridges and buildings can be reconstructed - with European Union loans, no doubt - but many Lebanese are now questioning the institutions of the democracy for which the US was itself so full of praise last year. What is the point of a democratically elected Lebanese government which cannot protect its people? What is the point of a 75,000-member Lebanese army which cannot protect its nation, which cannot be sent to the border, which does not fire on Lebanon's enemies and which cannot disarm Hizbollah? Indeed, for many Lebanese Shias, Hizbollah is now the Lebanese army.

So fierce has been Hizbollah's resistance - and so determined its attacks on Israeli ground troops in Lebanon - that many people here no longer recall that it was Hizbollah which provoked this latest war by crossing the border on 12 July, killing three Israeli soldiers and capturing two others. Israel's threats of enlarging the conflict even further are now met with amusement rather than horror by a Lebanese population which has been listening to Israel's warnings for 30 years with ever greater weariness. And yet they fear for their lives. If Tel Aviv is hit, will Beirut be spared. Or if central Beirut is hit, will Tel Aviv be spared? Hizbollah now uses Israel's language of an eye for an eye. Every Israeli taunt is met by a Hizbollah taunt.

And do the Israelis realise that they are legitimising Hizbollah, that a rag-tag army of guerrillas is winning its spurs against an Israeli army and air force whose targets - if intended - prove them to be war criminals and if unintended suggest that they are a rif-raff little better than the Arab armies they have been fighting, on and off, for more than half a century? Extraordinary precedents are being set in this Lebanon war.

In fact, one of the most profound changes in the region these past three decades has been the growing unwillingness of Arabs to be afraid. Their leaders - our "moderate" pro-Western Arab leaders such as King Abdullah of Jordan and President Mubarak of Egypt - may be afraid. But their peoples are not. And once a people have lost their terror, they cannot be re-injected with fear. Thus Israel's consistent policy of smashing Arabs into submission no longer works. It is a policy whose bankruptcy the Americans are now discovering in Iraq.

And all across the Muslim world, "we" - the West, America, Israel - are fighting not nationalists but Islamists. And watching the martyrdom of Lebanon this week - its slaughtered children in Qana packed into plastic bags until the bags ran out and their corpses had to be wrapped in carpets - a terrible and daunting thought occurs to me, day by day. That there will be another 9/11.

The room shook. Not since the 1983 earthquake has my apartment rocked from side to side. That was the force of the Israeli explosions in the southern suburbs of Beirut - three miles from my home - and the air pressure changed in the house yesterday morning and outside in the street the palm trees moved.

Is it to be like this every day? How many civilians can you make homeless before you start a revolution? And what is next? Are the Israelis to bomb the centre of Beirut? The Corniche? Is this why all the foreign warships came and took their citizens away, to make Beirut safe to destroy?

Yesterday, needless to say, was another day of massacres, great and small. The largest appeared to be 40 farm workers in northern Lebanon, some of them Kurds - a people who do not even have a country. An Israeli missile was reported to have exploded among them as they loaded vegetables on to a refrigerated truck near Al-Qaa, a small village east of Hermel in the far north. The wounded were taken to hospital in Syria because the roads of Lebanon have now all been cratered by Israeli bomb-bursts. Later we learnt that an air strike on a house in the village of Taibeh in the south had killed seven civilians and wounded 10 seeking shelter from attack.

In Israel two civilians were killed by Hizbollah missiles but, as usual, Lebanon bore the brunt of the day's attacks which centred - incredibly - on the Christian heartland that has traditionally shown great sympathy towards Israel. It was the Christian Maronite community whose Phalangist militiamen were Israel's closest allies in its 1982 invasion of Lebanon yet Israel's air force yesterday attacked three highway bridges north of Beirut and - again as usual - it was the little people who died.

One of them was Joseph Bassil, 65, a Christian man who had gone out on his daily jogging exercise with four friends north of Jounieh. "His friends packed up after four rounds of the bridge because it was hot," a member of his family told us later. "Joseph decided to do one more jog on the bridge. That was what killed him." The Israelis gave no reason for the attacks - no Hizbollah fighters would ever enter this Christian Maronite stronghold and the only hindrance was caused to humanitarian convoys - and there were growing fears in Lebanon that the latest air raids were a sign of Israel's frustration rather any serious military planning.

Indeed, as the Lebanon war continues to destroy innocent lives - most of them Lebanese - the conflict seems to be increasingly aimless. The Israeli air force has succeeded in killing perhaps 50 Hizbollah members and 600 civilians and has destroyed bridges, milk factories, gas stations, fuel storage depots, airport runways and thousands of homes. But to what purpose?

Does the United States any longer believe Israel's claims that it will destroy Hizbollah when its army clearly cannot do anything of the kind? Does Washington not realise that when Israel grows tired of this war, it will plead for a ceasefire - which only Washington can deliver by doing what it most loathes to do: by taking the road to Damascus and asking for help from President Bashar al-Assad of Syria?
What in the meanwhile is happening to Lebanon? Bridges and buildings can be reconstructed - with European Union loans, no doubt - but many Lebanese are now questioning the institutions of the democracy for which the US was itself so full of praise last year. What is the point of a democratically elected Lebanese government which cannot protect its people? What is the point of a 75,000-member Lebanese army which cannot protect its nation, which cannot be sent to the border, which does not fire on Lebanon's enemies and which cannot disarm Hizbollah? Indeed, for many Lebanese Shias, Hizbollah is now the Lebanese army.

So fierce has been Hizbollah's resistance - and so determined its attacks on Israeli ground troops in Lebanon - that many people here no longer recall that it was Hizbollah which provoked this latest war by crossing the border on 12 July, killing three Israeli soldiers and capturing two others. Israel's threats of enlarging the conflict even further are now met with amusement rather than horror by a Lebanese population which has been listening to Israel's warnings for 30 years with ever greater weariness. And yet they fear for their lives. If Tel Aviv is hit, will Beirut be spared. Or if central Beirut is hit, will Tel Aviv be spared? Hizbollah now uses Israel's language of an eye for an eye. Every Israeli taunt is met by a Hizbollah taunt.

And do the Israelis realise that they are legitimising Hizbollah, that a rag-tag army of guerrillas is winning its spurs against an Israeli army and air force whose targets - if intended - prove them to be war criminals and if unintended suggest that they are a rif-raff little better than the Arab armies they have been fighting, on and off, for more than half a century? Extraordinary precedents are being set in this Lebanon war.

In fact, one of the most profound changes in the region these past three decades has been the growing unwillingness of Arabs to be afraid. Their leaders - our "moderate" pro-Western Arab leaders such as King Abdullah of Jordan and President Mubarak of Egypt - may be afraid. But their peoples are not. And once a people have lost their terror, they cannot be re-injected with fear. Thus Israel's consistent policy of smashing Arabs into submission no longer works. It is a policy whose bankruptcy the Americans are now discovering in Iraq.

And all across the Muslim world, "we" - the West, America, Israel - are fighting not nationalists but Islamists. And watching the martyrdom of Lebanon this week - its slaughtered children in Qana packed into plastic bags until the bags ran out and their corpses had to be wrapped in carpets - a terrible and daunting thought occurs to me, day by day. That there will be another 9/11.

[scar]

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/050806fisk.htm

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/050806destroyed.htm

[mason-free party]

Fisk should do his bloody homework...9/11 events are only done by Governments/Intelligence

[Dog]

...and where exactly in his piece does Fisk suggest otherwise, feckwit?

[scar]

[Dog]

Unless you grow up and learn to read between the lines.

[scar]

"How many civilians can you make homeless before you start a revolution?"

"In fact, one of the most profound changes in the region these past three decades has been the growing unwillingness of Arabs to be afraid.
.........And once a people have lost their terror, they cannot be re-injected with fear..."

"And all across the Muslim world, "we" - the West, America, Israel - are fighting not nationalists but Islamists. And watching the martyrdom of Lebanon this week - its slaughtered children in Qana packed into plastic bags until the bags ran out and their corpses had to be wrapped in carpets - a terrible and daunting thought occurs to me, day by day. That there will be another 9/11."

So which lines are you reading between oh wise one to be calling one person here a "feckwit" and telling me to "grow up"?

Is fisk well known for exposing 9/11 as an inside job? Nope.
Perhaps it is you who needs to grow up and drop the arrogance.

"Hizbollah which provoked this latest war by crossing the border on 12 July, killing three Israeli soldiers and capturing two others."
hmmmmmmmmm.

[Justin]

Calm down chaps, I'm afraid Fisk is right, a new 9/11 is IMHO imminent. Yesterday some Syrian Kurdish workers were killed on the Lebanese/Syrian border as Israel's deliberate 'creeping barage' begins to violate Syria's sovereignty. The pressure pot of Syrian public opinion will be such that the Syrian Government will be forced to take some sort of military action, probably backed up by Iranian elements of the Revolutionary Guard (as per recent speech by the Guard's commanding general). It is almost certain that the controllers belonging to the NeoCon/Zionist/Illuminati globalist hidden cabal will now authorise a dastardly false flag act that will stir up the public opinion in the West and cause the unthinking, dumbed down masses to demand a final military solution to this Middle East question. China and Russia will then be dragged in and World War 3 may be the result - just as our globalist friends in the shadows demand for their long term goal of a depleted and now totally compliant world population with a fascist World Government formed on their terms.

Our MPs are away sunning themselves taking their 'well deserved' ten week break - just like World War 1 and World War 2. I'm afraid it does look as though interesting times are upon us. David Ray Griffin's trip to London may be our last real chance to begin a proper and effective wake up campaign to convince people as to the realities of false flag terrorism and the existence of appalling hidden agendas - but that is four weeks away and that is a bloody long time when events are happening on a daily basis.

[Justin]

In relation to my last, some what gloomy prognosis, can I suggest everyone sends an emergency email to their MPs about Israel's deliberate 'creeping barrage' to escalate events. We might as well be on record to boost our credibility.

[Justin]

From a Syrian news site:

[andrewwatson]

If he is trying to talk in code I am afraid he has been too subtle for most people, who will read into his comments the inference that America was attacked by Arabs on 9/11.

What is wrong with intelligent journalists that they are so unable to see the simple arithmetic of false-flag operations? Does he not talk to sceptical muslims who know the truth? Fisk makes me almost, I repeat almost, begin to doubt my own convictions.

Well maybe he's a plant. No Andrew, you're tired. God, am I tired.

[Dog]

Scar..perhaps "grow up" was a bit tough....but either way you look at it, you're gonna have to get used to subliminal journalism...Fisk, and many others like him are breaking their balls to get the message through. If Bob was to suddenly present the Independent with a piece suggesting governmental complicity in 9/11 and the likelihood of a similar followup, what do you imagine would happen? Take a look at the figure at the bottom of your screen which tells you what percentage of the UK population subscribes to the fact that 9/11 was a self-inflicted wound. It's pathetic.

Time is running very short and I make no apology for abrasiveness.

My brother recently attended a Pilger discussion. A woman who limply quizzed him " I feel so impotent...what can I do?" was met with no small degree of irritation. Pilger responded that if he was to ARTICULATE what he thought she should do, then there would be a very strong likelihood that he would be arrested for incitement. He apologised for his testiness (like a gentleman) but left the audience under no illusion as to the means at their disposal.

This forum has served an extremely useful purpose.

But if any of you have any balls or conviction, you'll have realised the immediacy of the cause and that posting here any further will eat into the preciously small amount of time we have left to make a difference.

To all of you: take an evening to consider the thoughts in your head; posting here has come to an end in terms of effect. Time is crucial, and whatever that notion you have harboured or countenanced that could truly make a difference....well, it's time to make it count.

I may be on the other side of the world at the moment, but very shortly I'll be amongst you and able to meet you all.

P.S There will be no more Dog.

[Dog]

...and Andrew: we're all a bit tired but....take 24 hours out and come back reinvigorated and help make the difference.

You're needed.

[mason-free party]

the only reason why Fisk won't say 9/11 was a government inside job is because he'll probably get the sack...to imply that it was done by some joe soap terrorist is a cowardice act of journalism...just another whore of zionism!
He's basically a tool of the elite trying to condition the public sheep that another 9/11 is inevitable ...

[IronSnot]

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[mason-free party]

[scar]

[flamesong]

[Uma]

[quote="scar"]

What are you doing? Hows it going waking Australia up?
Spend much of your time doing so? All of your time?
Havent heard you mention it yet.

[quote]



A word to your wise, Scar.

Dog isn't, nor was he ever, in Australia. And as of tomorrow, he'll be back in the UK; and since you're in Brighton, practically on your doorstep.

If you intend being proactive on this issue in the coming weeks, I'd say you'll both have the opportunity to make one anothers' accquaintance.

Good luck in your activities.