Having met Charlie Veitch (upon his return to Cambridge after his 'Thought Crime' arrest), it is very apparent that Charlie is NOT a Researcher ... he is a Social Commentator. Consequently, whilst he has demonstrated an excellent ability for Social Observation, the depth of his understanding of Deep Geo-political manipulation is limited ... as ably demonstrated in this video.
The Comments posted in response to this video would suggest that Charlie has scored an 'Own Goal' with this posting!
Yes strange, but then he is only one voice all be it a powerful speaker _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:28 am Post subject:
"99.9% of architects and engineers agree with the official story"
I would suggest that 99.9% havent given it much thought. _________________ JO911B.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject: Behaviour Modification ... & the BBC
Earlier today, I received an unsubstantiated report (but from a very well-connected source) that the carefully selected ‘Team of Experts’ used in the BBC’s forthcoming ’9/11 Road Trip’ documentary contained individuals well versed in techniques similar to those used by Derren Brown to achieve Behaviour Modification!.
At this juncture, I am not privy to the players in the BBC's 'Team of Experts'. However, my (US based) correspondent states that this 'Road Trip' was very carefully choreographed; even down to the 'Hosts' taking care of the participants. My correspondent claims not to have been involved directly but was apparently 'in the loop' during the initial planning stages.
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject:
fish5133 wrote:
"99.9% of architects and engineers agree with the official story"
I would suggest that 99.9% havent given it much thought.
According to Richard Gage, virtually all Architects who listen to his talks end up agreeing with him.
I believe Richard, rather than the 'Love Policeman'. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
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Some plausible answers to the questions of why Charlie has done a 180?
How it happened ?
And what it means in the bigger context of 911 truth
Feel free to reuse entire clip, but please dont edit because context is important in this clip.
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:39 pm Post subject: Drop 911 investigation call
I think Charlie Veitch’s admission is part of a new stage of the 911 myth. Susan Lindauer has suggested that the main reason bin Laden was ‘killed’ was to kill the 911 myth. They want most people in the US to think that there is no point in any new investigation of 911 since the person most responsible for it is dead. They were getting concerned that such demands were getting popular. Charlie Veitch’s position is little different to the “911 truthers are bonkers” line that the criminals put out. He is an attempt to weaken the resolve of the Truthers.
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Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Drop 911 investigation call
insidejob wrote:
I think Charlie Veitch’s admission is part of a new stage of the 911 myth. Susan Lindauer has suggested that the main reason bin Laden was ‘killed’ was to kill the 911 myth. They want most people in the US to think that there is no point in any new investigation of 911 since the person most responsible for it is dead. They were getting concerned that such demands were getting popular. Charlie Veitch’s position is little different to the “911 truthers are bonkers” line that the criminals put out. He is an attempt to weaken the resolve of the Truthers.
But they are in for a rude awakening; true '9/11 Truthers' are in it till they kick the bucket, Charlie Veitch, Noam Chumsky, 'Gorgeous George', Uncle Tom Cobbly $ all not withstanding. _________________ 'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:56 am Post subject: Re: Behaviour Modification ... & the BBC
ianrcrane wrote:
Earlier today, I received an unsubstantiated report (but from a very well-connected source) that the carefully selected ‘Team of Experts’ used in the BBC’s forthcoming ’9/11 Road Trip’ documentary contained individuals well versed in techniques similar to those used by Derren Brown to achieve Behaviour Modification!.
At this juncture, I am not privy to the players in the BBC's 'Team of Experts'. However, my (US based) correspondent states that this 'Road Trip' was very carefully choreographed; even down to the 'Hosts' taking care of the participants. My correspondent claims not to have been involved directly but was apparently 'in the loop' during the initial planning stages.
Ian R Crane
Hello all!
*Note to moderators, I am a skeptic of MIHOP theories, but here I hope to put across my view on Charlie Veitch, without getting into debates about 911, I hope you see this as on topic.*
Hi Ian,
Derren Brown does not use behaviour modification, he uses misdirection, sleight of hand, and showmanship, and a little bit of obvious psychology. it is widely know amongst magical circles that Derren has a team of researchers that pass information onto him about the audience, much like t.v. psychics, and evangelists - he is a trickster. Derren also is a skeptic of NLP. So if your source told you that, I would at least look further into it.
Charlie Veitch.
Charlie Veitch is without a doubt a media whore, he loves being in the limelight, I was not a fan of Charlie before this happened, and I am not a fan now it has happened, I have seen some appalling stuff he has done, the one that springs to mind is the video he made trying to get people to pay him to do Love Police actions - turning activism into a commodity.
At best Charlie is trying to be like 60's activist Abbie Hoffman (who once tongue in cheek organised an attempt to levitate the Pentagon), but doing it badly, at worst he is an egomaniac, with some odd spiritual beliefs.
He definitely won't ever acknowledge he likes a cult status, and, as I have seen, chooses to blame his followers, rather than his own actions.
What Charlie isn't is an undercover agent or a stooge, and like it or not he did not show any of the signs, or micro expressions of someone who was lying about his dramatic u-turn. Even the most hardened sociopaths have a large element of truth and conviction, it's very difficult to live a lie.
As attention loving and egotistical, and annoying as Veitch is, I think he is telling the truth as he sees it.
*Note to moderators, I am a skeptic of MIHOP theories, but here I hope to put across my view on Charlie Veitch, without getting into debates about 911, I hope you see this as on topic.*
Then why are you posting on a 9/11 forum topic and forum?
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Hi Ian,
Derren Brown does not use behaviour modification, he uses misdirection, sleight of hand, and showmanship, and a little bit of obvious psychology. it is widely know amongst magical circles that Derren has a team of researchers that pass information onto him about the audience, much like t.v. psychics, and evangelists - he is a trickster. Derren also is a skeptic of NLP. So if your source told you that, I would at least look further into it.
If you say he Derren Brown uses 'a little bit of obvious psychology' how can you say in the same sentence he does 'not' use behaviour modification (i.e psychology)
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What Charlie isn't is an undercover agent or a stooge, and like it or not he did not show any of the signs, or micro expressions of someone who was lying about his dramatic u-turn. Even the most hardened sociopaths have a large element of truth and conviction, it's very difficult to live a lie.
But you? (or more correctly the ego pretending to be you) has been/is lying as shown above.
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As attention loving and egotistical, and annoying as Veitch is, I think he is telling the truth as he sees it.
The ego is very deceptive.
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Lets hope he does another 180 after getting more notoriety with the BBC.
Without all the so-called new age nonsense he has "always" promoted.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:13 am Post subject:
Charlie Veitch is absolutely an Intel stooge. He first destroyed the original guy who was the Love Police to take the mantle, more than that the supreme Methodist Intelligence mind job Alex Jones was one of the first to recruit the new operative to grab the UK audience to his hatred and anger whipping.
Alex Jones has one MO, to protect the fact it is his Methodist construct which is destroying everything and the reason he took the risk to present the idea he and he alone speaks to the deceased John Coleman, the man who explained very well the Methodist push for the New World order.
One only need watch the video in which Veitch * and bows to the corporate police officer rather than stand his lawful ground which would have put him in the cell for a few hours, then even more suspect was his Alex Jones sponsored attendance in the Canadian psyop where he was arrested....
Such a timid chap would much rather spend time in a British cell than risk hell in a foreign cell, thus the Canadian adventure was a set up from the get go, fully backed by the Jones.
The truth movement forming around Jones, Icke and co, is a false paradigm to keep you off the real story, it is much easier to wallow in extraterrestrials and violent speak than contingency and Academies...
Have you noted the fact only Alex Jones is allowed to speak in the language pre political correctness? thus he speaks the language of the masses and naturally the majority will love him for his rants over actual strategies to expose the construct that is Methodism.
Charlie Veitch is absolutely an Intel stooge. He first destroyed the original guy who was the Love Police to take the mantle, more than that the supreme Methodist Intelligence mind job Alex Jones was one of the first to recruit the new operative
First rule for anyone in the truth movement is "cui bono", the second rule should be do the research.
Charlie Veitch, Alex Jones, David Icke, et al are like fast food for the conspiratorial, paranoid and the slightly nutty. And people wonder why it's so easy to attack the truth movement! Because far too many people are jumping on band wagons, following false prophets, not doing their own research and just consuming a diet of nonsense.
I wonder just what information and research Charlie Veitch brought to the truth movement?
That's all I want to say about that guy, I could say a lot more but the above sums it up succinctly and this is still evolving. Anything else would be lost on anyone not responsible enough to be doing their own research and claiming to know more than it is possible to know.
How about some fresh fruit? Boiling Frogs - Sibel Edmonds, Visibility 911, Australian Truth Talk Radio, 9-11 Truth news, Anti-War.com, Global Research, even a daily read of the FT and the WSJ to get a different take - all be it a corporate one (know your enemy as they say).
Charlie has said that much of the evidence will be in the BBC documentary yet to come.
Which will be easily shown/seen by genuine truth seekers to be no proof at all to what they the BBC are alluding to.
Some posters have made videos and posts on the web saying look at all the subliminal messages in his video and that he is Intel. Well people can read allsorts into the video, and conversely Charlie could say later look at where the camera pans to, which is what he has always spoken out against (consume, consume, posters and bill boards etc) look at the where the camera pans to about being “famous for 15 minuets” “Are we controlled from a young age” etc, etc.
Look at where the camera pans to at the beginning (a statue of George Michael Cohan) a founder of “The American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (commonly known as ASCAP) is an American not-for-profit performance-rights organization”
And that is what he Charlie is “a performance artist” with his message, Love police etc.
So it would be easy for him later to do another 180 and say could you not see that I was not being serious and that it goes against what I have always stood for.
Unfortunately he has always promoted the so-called new age nonsense, but will have even more notoriety via the BBC with the NWO solution, the so-called new age nonsense.
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:46 pm Post subject:
jazds wrote:
Life wrote:
Charlie Veitch is absolutely an Intel stooge. He first destroyed the original guy who was the Love Police to take the mantle, more than that the supreme Methodist Intelligence mind job Alex Jones was one of the first to recruit the new operative
GET A LIFE.
Feel free to refute my findings with all that research you done spurty,
And that is what he Charlie is “a performance artist” with his message, Love police etc.
So it would be easy for him later to do another 180 and say could you not see that I was not being serious and that it goes against what I have always stood for.
Unfortunately he has always promoted the so-called new age nonsense, but will have even more notoriety via the BBC with the NWO solution, the so-called new age nonsense.
He's just one person and an agent provocateur in my opinion, one I've had of him for very long time; this backed up by his latest video blogs.
I agree there are esoteric messages contained in all of his videos but I defiantly don't see in them, that he is going to come back as truther and say it was all stunt. More like "I'm an actor" and "performing a job for the authorities". I think the 9/11 Road Trip will make a big deal of all the fuss made over his "changed opinion" and that will be fed in to the overall effect of the film. As for Veitch, he gone from being a champion of the truth movement, to the establishments biggest weapon against the truth movement. The idea he didn't do the research is farcical. There is enough solid evidence out there to convict most of the former Bush neo con government. It's not like it was a one off either!
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And that is what he Charlie is “a performance artist” with his message, Love police etc.
So it would be easy for him later to do another 180 and say could you not see that I was not being serious and that it goes against what I have always stood for.
Unfortunately he has always promoted the so-called new age nonsense, but will have even more notoriety via the BBC with the NWO solution, the so-called new age nonsense.
Nice post Andrew, yeah agreed on all points, it's wait and see.
Any chance you could forward the links to some of these videos?
http://forums.ukcolumn.org/showthread.php?tid=3890&page=3
What's going with the loud digital sound bite @ 13s and the subliminal "Are we conditioned from childhood"
Then he says "45th fleur instead of floor, the fleur de lis being a satanic symbol then he mentions the freedom tower being 1776 feet high while scratching behind his ear which is the alleged year of the formation of the so called illuminati.
And that is what he Charlie is “a performance artist” with his message, Love police etc.
So it would be easy for him later to do another 180 and say could you not see that I was not being serious and that it goes against what I have always stood for.
Unfortunately he has always promoted the so-called new age nonsense, but will have even more notoriety via the BBC with the NWO solution, the so-called new age nonsense.
He's just one person and an agent provocateur in my opinion, one had for very long time, this backed up by his latest video blogs.
? Has he ever said anything of value to others that can't easily be researched. No IMHO. But even that can keep people going around in circles getting nowhere.
He's just one person and an agent provocateur in my opinion, one had for very long time, this backed up by his latest video blogs.
? ( Has he said anything of value to others , no IMHO) that's easily researched. But even that can keep people going around in circles getting nowhere.
Thanks for the post Andrew, you caught me in the process of updating my post (see above) based on viewing his latest video blog . The more I see of him, the more sinister I find him lol
*Note to moderators, I am a skeptic of MIHOP theories, but here I hope to put across my view on Charlie Veitch, without getting into debates about 911, I hope you see this as on topic.*
Then why are you posting on a 9/11 forum topic and forum?
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Hi Ian,
Derren Brown does not use behaviour modification, he uses misdirection, sleight of hand, and showmanship, and a little bit of obvious psychology. it is widely know amongst magical circles that Derren has a team of researchers that pass information onto him about the audience, much like t.v. psychics, and evangelists - he is a trickster. Derren also is a skeptic of NLP. So if your source told you that, I would at least look further into it.
If you say he Derren Brown uses 'a little bit of obvious psychology' how can you say in the same sentence he does 'not' use behaviour modification (i.e psychology)
Quote:
What Charlie isn't is an undercover agent or a stooge, and like it or not he did not show any of the signs, or micro expressions of someone who was lying about his dramatic u-turn. Even the most hardened sociopaths have a large element of truth and conviction, it's very difficult to live a lie.
But you? (or more correctly the ego pretending to be you) has been/is lying as shown above.
Quote:
As attention loving and egotistical, and annoying as Veitch is, I think he is telling the truth as he sees it.
The ego is very deceptive.
----------------------------------------
Lets hope he does another 180 after getting more notoriety with the BBC.
Without all the so-called new age nonsense he has "always" promoted.
Brown does not use behavioral psychology, or behavioral therapy, you are in the wrong ball park.
Does that mean you have been shown to be lying? nah, i wouldn't say that, your just demonstrating incredulity.
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject:
Veitch now filed next to Harold Camping on my shelf
someone mad who believes something and then changes their mind
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13517496 _________________ JO911B.
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I have seen the lite Gov makes the Sun shine,they have never lied to us.WMD was in IRAQ,take all the shots, do what you are told,they love us.
Charlie Veitch is the star of a new documentary called "Upsidedown" (this is another docu not the BBC 911 Road Trip) where he furthers underlines his views that 911 truth is the construct of conspirtoids (like he was before he woke up as Satan's son), more to the point when asked if he's an MI6 agent he says "yes"...
Charlie appears to be a master of using the old double bluff, Of course by this point anyone who can "see" will have turned off from Charlie but he still has 50,880 Channel subscribers and thousands of followers who hang on his every word (even if they are not quite clear what that word means!)...
Interestingly Charlie Veitch's father John Veitch (source facebook and Charlie Veitch exposes Charlie Veitch) went to Gordonstoun - one of the country's most elitist schools, popular with Royalty, The Duke of Edinburgh went there and so did Prince Charles. The School is also popular with former heads of the intelligence services. If nothing else, this underlines the fact that Charlie comes from a privileged background.
Another connection is Andrew Veitch who was a senior news editor for BBC News, the man has been said to be Charlie's uncle, certainly there is more than just passing family resemblance - he is also Scottish and spent time living in Brazil. His bio is revealing…
Charlie also says in the documentry that if he was offered money by David Rockefeller he'd be more than happy to take it.
Interestingly, Silki's favorite book is "Catcher In The Rye", her quote on facebook is the one about strong seas make good sailors which is taken off the opening line to Master and Commander a story based on Thomas Cochrane the man made famous by false flag attacks on enemy warships.
Interestingly, Charlie Veitch's only book choice on Amazon is John Paul Getty: Billionaire Oilman (Giants of American industry) by Bruce S Glassman (Library Binding).
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. The more I see of him, the more sinister I find him lol