FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist  Chat Chat  UsergroupsUsergroups  CalendarCalendar RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Outright mainstream media lies - Warfare & propaganda

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    9/11, 7/7, Covid-1984 & the War on Freedom Forum Index -> Recommended reading, listening & viewing
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:38 am    Post subject: Outright mainstream media lies - Warfare & propaganda Reply with quote

video removed

ITV use fake videogame footage, claim its authentic IRA video shooting down chopper
www.youtube.com
From the Documentary Exposure: Gaddafi and the IRA. Note reconstructed scenes were clearly labelled 'Reconstruction'.

Mark Armstrong ITV in fake footage row after new documentary passes off computer game as IRA gun attack on British.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Network chiefs were left embarrassed after admitting that new prime-time show Exposure had used clips from Arma II, purportedly showing the IRA shooting down a British Army helicopter.


Aron Dawson Video gone Sad
A few seconds ago · Like

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mirrored links Very Happy

ITV use fake videogame footage, claim its authentic IRA video


Link


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4fhzDyrtXY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p98eFvOT4DI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-sfHhcOPks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awl6zEwgwvM

ITV use fake videogame footage, claim its authentic IRA video


Link

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
outsider
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 30 Jul 2006
Posts: 6060
Location: East London

PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suggest someone adds to this thread the other recent use of false video or photo footage used in 'News' releases, including 'mock-up' scenes from UAR, Indian footage used as Libyan footage, and another country's repression footage passed of as being in Iran.
I don't have the time, but it would be useful to see them in one thread.

_________________
'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:20 pm    Post subject: Outright Media Lies Thread Reply with quote


_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lmao somewhere under university with windows? Yea good 1 gotta love the BEEB

Jacuzzi and operating room found under Tripoli university

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/09/07/gaddafi-secret-rape-and-aborti on-den-uncovered/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14827986

Quote:
7 September 2011 Last updated at 16:41 Help
A fully equipped gynaecological operating theatre, bedroom and jacuzzi have been discovered underneath Tripoli's Fateh University.

The rooms were discovered beneath the Green Theatre which was used to teach about the revolution and the Green Book which contained Col Muammar Gaddafi's thoughts and solutions to the country's social, political and economic problems.

The recently appointed head of the university, Dr Faisal, gave his interpretation of what he saw at the underground rooms.


Libya / Incredible media lies - BBC shows "Green Square" in INDIA, 24 August 2011


Link


Quote:
Uploaded by InomineX on 24 Aug 2011
Libyen / Unglaubliche Medienlügen - BBC zeigt "Green Square" in INDIEN, 24. August 2011
Libya / Incredible media lies - BBC shows "Green Square" in INDIA, 24 August 2011
Libia / Increíble mentiras mediáticas - BBC muestra "Green Square" en la India, 24 08 2011
Libia / Incredibile menzogne ​​dei media - la BBC mostra "Piazza Verde" in India, 24 Agosto 2011
Libye / Incroyable média mensonges - BBC montre «Green Square» en Inde, 24 août 2011
Libya / Incredible fjölmiðlum liggur - BBC sýnir "Green Square" á Indlandi, 24 Ágúst 2011
Ливия / Incredible СМИ лежит - BBC показывает "Зеленый квадрат" в Индии, 24 Август 2011
利比亞/不可思議的媒體謊言 - 英國廣播公司節目"綠色廣場"在印度,24 2011年8月
リビア/信じられないほどのメディアがある - BBCはインドの"緑の広場"、24を示しています。 2011年8月
/ लीबिया अतुल्य मीडिया झूठ - बीबीसी भारत में "ग्रीन स्क्वेयर", 24 से पता चलता है अगस्त 2011
ليبيا / وسائل الاعلام لا تصدق الأكاذيب -- بي بي سي يظهر "الساحة الخضراء" في الهند، 24 أغسطس 2011

CHANNEL: http://www.youtube.com/user/InomineX
WebSite: http://www.my-metropolis.eu/Nachrichtenticker/Nachrichtenticker.php

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol did they not know people aren't stupid?

CNN BUSTED!!! AGAIN more Fake videos from Libya conflict


Link


Quote:
Uploaded by UKBLIVE on 19 Jul 2011
The media are now so fake that there has got to me bore real brave men and women coming forward to tell the truth of what is really going on.

a Big thanks to InomineX (the creator)
http://www.youtube.com/user/InomineX

See This Video about a top intelligence annalist from Yorkshire who stood his ground and lost his job over the truth behind 9/11 % 7/7 false flag staged attacks ...wake up sheeple, the time is now before its too late..


UK Intelligence Analyst Tony Farrell sacked for doing his job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foKzdQK4gg

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
fish5133
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: 13 Sep 2006
Posts: 2568
Location: One breath from Glory

PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judging by the time and speed they were probably nearly a mile away when the last shots we heard at the same volume. More likely a fire cracker tied to the rear bumper by some naighty libyan kids
_________________
JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FOX fakes Moscow protest with footage of Athens clashes


Link


Quote:
Uploaded by ThePiRaTeCoPy on 8 Dec 2011
News bulletins around the world have been following Russia's election rallies. But one channel stands out - America's Fox News has been showing streets ablaze, violent clashes and firebombs thrown at security officers, but with one major problem - the images are not from Russia, they're from Greece!

With so much going on in the world today, one can see how easy it would be to get confused. Are those pictures of the war in Iraq or Afghanistan? Poverty in Somalia or Congo? And what's a news program to do if there aren't any good pictures?

So producers all over the world search, and talk to their own crews or news agencies who provide feeds for everyone, and find the best shots to grace their air time.

Or -- in some cases -- ANY shots that look more or less similar to the covered topic. Case in point: protests in Russia and the ever-blundering FOX News.

Yes, there are mass protests in Russia. Have been, since election day on Sunday. Thousands have been gathering to speak their mind and protest the election results. Yes, hundreds have been arrested. For two days in a row, and for various violations. Yes, there are reports of police brutality and no; right now it's not possible to say whether they are true. It really does depend on the cops -- much as it does anywhere else in the world. In New York, for example, some police officers will look the other way when you are filming somewhere you technically shouldn't be; and others will detain you outside the United Nations building for no reason and refuse you your rights (and yes, all this did happen). Cops in Moscow are the same -- some are nicer than others, while some appear to be almost looking for a fight.

Regardless of all this -- yes, there are protests. But this, my friends, is NOT them.

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CNN Fake Newscast Best Quality


Link


Quote:
Uploaded by patriotportal on 27 Aug 2009
Charles Jaco was the CNN reporter famous for covering the 1990 Persian Gulf War.

The first part of this video shows the stage set he was on, and he was clowning around with fellow CNN staff. The Saudi Arabian "hotel" in the background were fake palm trees and a blue wall in a studio. This clip was leaked by CNN staff.

The second part of this video was a live CNN satellite feed recorded onto VHS showing the final cut. Charles Jaco was wearing a different jacket, but he had the same act. The acting was terrible as Charles Jaco wore a gas mask, and his fellow correspondent Carl Rochelle wore a helmet. The sirens and missile sound effects are part of the stage set. The camera never pans out or shows the sky.

These clips are the highest quality of this newscast and behind the scenes.

Yes, Charles Jaco was a reporter for CNN. Google his name and read the results.

This is the reason why I don't trust mainstream news. It is all theater and it's completely staged. I only use the news as a guide to get an idea of what is going on, and then I do further research myself.

You can start your own research by visiting my website http://www.patriotportal.yolasite.com

I also suggest reading the books of Edward Bernays to learn how the media and government fool the masses on an unprecedented scale.

This video is FAIR USE depicting an historical event. I encourage this video to be downloaded, and re-uploaded to other websites to get more people to see this.

Charles Jaco currently works as a reporter for FOX 2 NOW in Saint Louis, Missouri. I highly encourage you to send this video to their newstips inbox here:
http://www.fox2now.com/about/station/contactus/

Digg this video, and spread it to the far reaches of the world wide web.

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CNN Wants This Video Banned (SEE WHY)


Link


Quote:
Uploaded by EbookCashStreams on 13 Jul 2011
Watch this video before it is taken down forever. This might be your last chance!

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must Watch they're going after the Freeman movement!


CBC's Hit Piece On The Freeman Movement (pressfortruth.tv)


Link


Quote:
Uploaded by weavingspider on 2 Mar 2012
A program titled "A Canadian Concern" recently aired on CBC's The National which takes a look at the Freeman Movement here in Canada. The program was an all out hit piece designed to demonize the movement and portray "freemen on the land" as potentially violent cop killers! Press For Truth documented the entire interview that was conducted by the CBC with freeman Robert Menard in order to protect the integrity of the movement and to counter the propaganda that is being spewed by CBC's The National. Watch the interview that I conducted with Robert and you will see the glaring differences between what he actually has to say and what the CBC portrayed.

The Freeman Movement - Robert Menard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRgaLNhIJgY

CBC's The National - "A Canadian Concern?"
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/The_National/1242568525/ID=2203936727

Get more updates like this everyday at Press For Truth TV:
http://pressfortruth.tv/register/

Help keep Press For Truth alive and support alternative independent media by joining Press For Truth TV! http://pressfortruth.tv/register/
We receive no sponsorships or funding from anyone and rely on you the viewer to help us continue to do this work. With your help I can continue to make videos and documentary films for youtube that are raising awareness all over the world. Please support independent media by joining Press For Truth TV!

As a Press For Truth TV subscriber you'll have full access to the site's features and content including Daily Video Blogs on current news from the PFT perspective and High Quality Downloads of all Press For Truth Films, Music and Special Reports! Subscribe to Press For Truth TV: http://pressfortruth.tv/register/

For more information visit:
http://pressfortruth.tv/

I will continue to work tirelessly at exposing the global elite and their plans for a new world order.
Thank you for your support. Dan Dicks - Founder of Press For Truth

http://www.facebook.com/PressForTruth
http://www.youtube.com/weavingspider
http://twitter.com/#!/DanDicksPFT

http://pressfortruth.ca/

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UN (League Of Nations) getting in on the act lol these nuts are out of control.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20120303/171698294.html

Quote:
UN Report Says 60 Libyan Civilians Killed in NATO Airstrikes
Topic: Libya after Gaddafi

UN Report Says 60 Libyan Civilians Killed in NATO Airstrikes
© AFP/ Saeed Khan
04:25 03/03/2012
MOSCOW, March 3 (RIA Novosti)

Sixty civilians were killed and 55 wounded in NATO airstrikes last year in Libya, said a UN report prepared by a commission that probed human rights abuses and war crimes in the North African state.
The international NATO-led military operation in Libya began on March 19, 2011, two days after the approval of a UN resolution on "targeted measures" to protect civilians from ongoing clashes between forces loyal to former leader Muammar Gaddafi and rebels seeking his overthrow.
The report said that NATO “conducted a highly precise campaign with a demonstrable determination to avoid civilian casualties,” but the commission noted incidents of civilian deaths and damage to civilian infrastructure as a result of NATO airstrikes.
“Amongst the 20 NATO airstrikes investigated, the Commission documented five airstrikes where a total of 60 civilians were killed and 55 injured. The Commission also investigated two NATO airstrikes which damaged civilian infrastructure and where no military target could be identified,” the report said.


The deadliest airstrike causing civilian deaths was registered on August 8, 2011 in the coastal town of Majer, where NATO bombs killed 34 and wounded 38 civilians.
“After the initial airstrike killed 16, a group of rescuers arrived and were hit by a subsequent attack, killing 18,” the report said.
On the whole, the commission said in its report that crimes against humanity and war crimes were committed by both the troops loyal to the former leader, Gaddafi, and the rebel forces that fought against him.
“Acts of murder, enforced disappearance and torture were perpetrated within the context of a widespread or systematic attack against a civilian population,” the report said.
Ousted Libyan leader Gaddafi was killed in October near his hometown of Sirte after being captured by the rebel Transitional National Council (TNC) forces.


Counter Balance (Some sources from 1 person on FB):-

Quote:
Tens of civilians killed on 31st of March in Gharyan city in western Libya (video)
07.04.2011. --- NATO bombers killed 15 rebels and wounded 22 on the outskirts of Brega.
20.04.2011. TRIPOLI NATO Bombing The Libyan Arab Association For Human Rights (video)
27.04.2011. --- NATO attacked the city of Misrata, killing 12 people and wounding 5 others
30.04.2011. --- The bombing of the Downs Syndrome School in Tripoli (video)
30.04.2011.--- NATO killed inocent civilinas: The youngest son of our great leader Saif Al arab gaddafi was only 29 years old, grandchildren of our Great Leader, Saif Mohammed Muammar Gaddafi was one year and 3 months (born on 30 January 2010) , Carthage Hannibal Muammar Gaddafi was 2 years and 9 months old (born on 2 August 2008) and Mastura Humaid (daughter of Aisha) was 4 months and half (she was born on 15 December 2010) (video)
09.05.2011. --- 600 civilians are reported dead after getting into trouble on thier boat. They send urgent SOS messages to NATO, but they were ignored (video)
13.05.2011. The 11 imams (spiritual leaders of Islam) that were killed. The imams were killed in a NATO bombing in the city of Brega (east), which also injured about 50 people. (video)
17.05.2011.---The NATO attack on Libya's Anti-Corruption Agency on May 17 was extremely convenient for some Westrern politicians (video)
12.06.2011. --- The bombing of the University of Tripoli. Death toll not yet established. (link) or photo evdence
15.06.2011. --- At least 12 people were killed and two injured when a NATO air strike hit a bus Wednesday evening in Libya's Kikla city (video)
19.06.2011. --- 9 civilians were killed by a NATO air strike on Tripoli (video)
19.06.2011. --- Massacre of Al-Hamedi family 15 civilians, including 3 children, were killed by another NATO air strike on Sorman (link)
19.06.2011. --- Firetracs was bombed (video)
22.06.2011. --- The bombing of the Great Man made Waterway irrigation system, which supplies most Libyans with their drinking water. Water for 4,5 million INOCENT CIVILIANS IN LIBYA (video)
22.06.2011. -- Zliten - many civilians were chopped into pieces. (link)
28.06. 2011. --- NATO air strike killed 16 civilians (one whole family killed) and more than 20 injured in public market in Tawergha east of Misurata (video)
04.07.2011. --- NATO bombing civilian checkpoint in ZWARA. (video)
17.07.2011. --- Multiple urban areas were bombed simultaneously this morning. Anywhere from 60 to 75 bombs may have been dropped mostly in the areas of Tajura and Seraj, according to eyewitness reports. (video)
23.07.2011. --- The bombing of the factory which makes the pipes for the water system, and the murder of 6 of its employees.
24.07.2011. NATO bombing cattle and poultry project in Torghae city (video)
24. 07.2011. Libya war: NATO Press Briefing, 15 civilians are dead in Tawergha (video)
24.07.2011. ---The bombing of the Hospital at Zliten. Resulting in the murder of a minimum, of 50 civilians many of them children.(video)
25.07.2011. NATO bombed food storage in Zlitan.(video)
25.07.2011. --- 20 civilians were killed by NATO air strikes in Bir al Ghanam. (video)
30.07.2011. --- NATO warplanes also repeatedly bombed a Libyan television station, killing 3 and injuring 15
02.08.2011. --- Law School In Zlitan (Zliten) (video)
04. 08.2011. --- Woman and two children (video)
07.08.2011. --- NATO bombed today the vegetable market in Tripoli (link)
08.08.2011. --- Libya: NATO MASSACRED 85 CIVILIANS: 33 CHILDREN, 32 WOMEN and 20 MEN (video)

[Update 11.11.2011.] (v) Libya Sirte [15/16/17/18/19/20/22/23...30 September 2011. ] War cime of NATO and NTC rebels - http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2011/09/libya-sirte-1516-september-2011-w ar.html
... to be continued
http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2011/11/operation-unified-protector-nato- in.html ..


Quote:
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing Woman and two Children in Zlitan (August 4, 2011) [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blcZjCfruxw
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing Law School In Zlitan (Zliten) 02.08.11 [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaqEMISPk2o
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing bombing Friday prayers [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ySTiL5QLEg

[SAVE-LIBYA] International Criminal Court & NATO killing a baby -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efU_9yArJh0
[SAVE-LIBYA] International Criminal Court & NATO SLAUGHTERED A BABY -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRw7lSD6KYQ
[SAVE-LIBYA] International Criminal Court & NATO bombing children 1 --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMOxLTalmKE
[SAVE-LIBYA] International Criminal Court & NATO bombing children 2 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgYmyexXTQ4
[SAVE-LIBYA] International Criminal Court & NATO bombing children 3 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXUQ5ttJeJU
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing, 15 civilians are dead in Tawergha 24 July 2011 [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66zi4-laxSs
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing, Bir al Ghanam 25 July 2011 [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QfmPhvArjw
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing, hospital & food storage Zlitan 25 July 2011 [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eclsk2uH0b4
Libya: NATO killed people in hospital ZLITEN 25. july 2011 [libyasos]
-> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSgNQi94gYo
Libya NATO Press Conference: cattle and poultry inTorguay project [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwJN70u5r7o
Libya: NATO killed people in hospital ZLITEN 25. july 2011 [libyasos] ->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSgNQi94gYo
Libya: NATO hit the Libyan Great Man Made River BREGA 22. july 2011 [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hp6JfrXb0A
Libya: NATO Press Conference in food warehouses in ZLITEN [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyGmPCK2zxI
Libya WAR CRIME: CATASTROPHIC VIOLATION OF THE 'NO FLY ZONE' [libyasos] --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szO2BCiTa2Q
Libya war: NATO protect inocent civilians in TAJURA, Tripoly july 2011. [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-U_jGiEEUk
Libya war: NATO killing civilians HEY WORLD! SHAME ON YOU! [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCbZmqli-Qw
[Libya] NATO Bombed Libya's Nasser University [libyasos] ->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umyK1KJP4Oc
NATO protecting civilians in Libya THANK YOU BIG BROTHER [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfBPb38BPZM
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing the Anti-Corruption Agency [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfBPb38BPZM
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing ANTI-CORRUPTION OFFICE in Tripoly [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGvy_jk3Sgw
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing in ZWARA [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62GlnT-rj0Y
Libya war: NATO focus on protecting civilians in BREGA [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpi1F5gVeP4
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing School For Downs Syndrome [NikolaySOLO] --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI9k68ygaRQ
Libya war: NATO Press Briefing in SORMAN [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vni4xckf8Xo
Libya war: SORMAN MASACRE by NATO - heart is broken [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZKj1NHvM2w
LIBYA WAR : NATO focus on protecting civilians in KIKLA (Qiqla) [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J03OAl9O9Lw
[SAVE-LIBYA] CIA and Al Qaeda connections with Libyan rebels [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYF0gunEjwQ
LIBYA, INOCENT CIVILANS with NATO WEAPONS from day No1 [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eEiWRT8yIw
LIBYA REBELS - SAS in Libya May 2011 [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_bR-aDQh4w
LIBYA REBELS - Argentina mercenary [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bZXXOv8fRk
BATTLE FOR LIBYA Western Taxpayers will not see [libyasos] -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfwGirQQHOw

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
TonyGosling
Editor
Editor


Joined: 25 Jul 2005
Posts: 18335
Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England

PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These lies are clearly being run out just to see if anyone notices - complains - puts materal online about it - just more evidence of intended war crimes by NATO and their media mates - in Syria - have still had no reply from pisspoor and NWO controlled Ofcom

Confidence trickster Jonathan Miller, Channel 4 News, in Damascus (25Nov11)

Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp0gZxy7OIk
ITN News or pre-war anti-Assad hate propaganda?
Broadcast on Channel 4 news, Saturday 26th November 2011.
A fraudulent analysis of two recordings of gunshots allegedly made in Damascus at the same time.
First recording: number of shots 5, duration of burst 1.5 seconds; second recording: number of shots 7, duration of burst 2.2 seconds. Timing of shots in no way correlate: For example time between first and second shots: first recording 0.3 seconds, second recording 0.7 seconds.

_________________
www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org
www.rethink911.org
www.patriotsquestion911.com
www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org
www.mediafor911truth.org
www.pilotsfor911truth.org
www.mp911truth.org
www.ae911truth.org
www.rl911truth.org
www.stj911.org
www.v911t.org
www.thisweek.org.uk
www.abolishwar.org.uk
www.elementary.org.uk
www.radio4all.net/index.php/contributor/2149
http://utangente.free.fr/2003/media2003.pdf
"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung
https://37.220.108.147/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website MSN Messenger
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oops

http://botherer.org/2012/07/28/the-daily-mail-and-how-an-nhs-death-mea ns-racism-is-fine/

Quote:
The Daily Mail, And How An NHS Death Means… Racism Is Fine?

by John Walker on Jul.28, 2012, under The Rest

UPDATE UPDATE: The Mail has pulled the article entirely now. The link to it now just reaches an error page. But you can read the article in full via the links a few lines below, and via FreezePage here.

UPDATE: That was quick. About five minutes after I posted, the Mail’s story was ninja edited, without acknowledgement, to remove the most outrageously racist lines. Where once it read:

“This was supposed to be a representation of modern life in England but it is likely to be a challenge for the organisers to find an educated white middle-aged mother and black father living together with a happy family in such a set-up.

Almost, if not every, shot in the next sequence included an ethnic minority performer. The BBC presenter Hazel Irvine gushed about the importance of grime music (a form of awful electronic music popular among black youths) to east London. This multicultural equality agenda was so staged it was painful to watch.”

It now reads:

“This was supposed to be a representation of modern life in England but such set-ups are simply not the ‘norm’ in any part of the country. So why was it portrayed like this and given such prominence? If it was intended to be something that we can celebrate, that two people with different colour skin and different cultural heritages can live harmoniously together, then it deserves praise.

But what will be disturbing to many people is top-down political manipulation – whether consciously or unthinkingly – at a major sporting event.”

It’s the most extraordinary change to the text, completely reversing the meaning the author originally intended, and completely incongruous to the paragraphs either side of it, which still endorse Aidan Burley’s “leftie multicultural nonsense” tweet.

You can see scans of the original article, before these changes were made, here: 1 http://pool.cream.org/pics/dm/dm1.jpg , 2 http://pool.cream.org/pics/dm/dm2.jpg , 3 http://pool.cream.org/pics/dm/dm3.jpg and 4 http://pool.cream.org/pics/dm/dm4.jpg .

Original: I am very aware that getting cross with Daily Mail articles is like shouting about how the sun can be hot. However, my motivation is not to cry, “How dare they!”, but instead to say, “Please understand that they do.” I still meet many people who do not understand how the Daily Mail is not just another tabloid, not just as bad as the rest of them, but instead something far more despicable and dangerous. It’s one of the most popular papers in Britain, and when we say, “Just ignore it – they’re just trying to get hits,” I shudder. We do not ignore evil – we challenge it and get angry about it. We make more people aware. Some people reading won’t have realised. And others can maybe point someone this way when they ask what they’re getting so worked up about.

The particular piece that’s riled me this evening is elegantly titled, “The NHS did not deserve to be so disgracefully glorified in this bonanza of left-wing propaganda“. That the Mail would write a piece arguing that the NHS is a bad thing, and should have had no part in the Olympic opening ceremony, is not a surprise. They’re a vicious and spiteful paper, and their agenda against the poor and needy is over a hundred years old. The NHS is the antithesis of everything they stand for, a socialist blight on our nation they’d rather do without. And while there are a thousand reasons to get cross about that, it’s not the issue with this piece. The issue is what’s smuggled in there.

This is why the Mail is so insidious, and so dangerous. It’s written in a very particular way, designed to sweep readers up in a froth of anger, before then slipping in various suggestions of what else they should think. Although written as, “And here’s what you already think, of course.” While I have strong issues with many other newspapers, from the hypocrisy of the Murdoch press, to the near fascistic support for anything “left” in the Guardian, nothing upsets me nor fills me with fear as much as the prose style of the Mail.

So the story is utterly nonsensical from top to bottom. I don’t know the particulars of the sad case they describe, where they claim an NHS patient died because he was denied a glass of water for a few days. The story is so full of holes that I can’t even begin to imagine what actually happened. (Edit: Many people have informed me today about the sad story, and it certainly is an awful tale of a horrific mistake by some hospital staff. Obviously I don’t trivialise the severity of this incident.) But for the sake of argument, let’s assume that a young man was left to die by some incompetent medical practitioners. What on Earth does that have to do with the NHS as a concept? We’re asked to assume that whatever the unnamed issues with the NHS are, these mystery failings were directly the reason why this man died. While the NHS certainly does have very many serious problems, I’m fairly sure none of them is the routine practise of leaving people to die of thirst, as a policy. While the mess of management, and appalling treatment of nurses, lack of doctors, and so on are all matters that obviously deserve attention, it’s my guess that the idea of free access to medical care, funded by tax payers, doesn’t implicitly ban the giving of water to patients. But this is the evidence given in the idiotic piece for why it was so “disgraceful” to portray the NHS as something of which we could be proud, and the reader is assumed too stupid to stop to give it a moment’s thought.

But as I say, as stupid and as wildly inaccurate as that might be, that’s not what chills me about the article. That comes after we’re done being told how the National Health Service Act 1946 murdered a man, when it mentions the Olympic scene featuring Bond and the Queen and adds,

“But it was the absurdly unrealistic scene – and indeed one that would spring from the kind of nonsensical targets and equality quotas we see in the NHS – showing a mixed-race middle-class family in a detached new-build suburban home, which was most symptomatic of the politically correct agenda in modern Britain.”

There’s the right turn. While books could be written about the tragedy of the warping of the phrase “politically correct” (the absurd notion that we should be sensitive to others in how we speak and act – throw up our arms in unified horror), it’s thrown in to ensure the fervent Mail reader is adequately riled. “The NHS murdered that boy, and they had the temerity to not hate the entire institution, and now they’re being POLITICALLY CORRECT about something or other?!” And then it comes:

“This was supposed to be a representation of modern life in England but it is likely to be a challenge for the organisers to find an educated white middle-aged mother and black father living together with a happy family in such a set-up.”

Just wow.

Such a phenomenally racist statement, made with such nonchalance, in a piece about the failings of the NHS. Such a deeply wretched and despicable comment, suggesting the very notion of a stable mixed race family being even a possibility is ridiculous. It would be “a challenge” for the organisers of the Olympic opening ceremony to find a happy interracial couple? A ceremony taking place in EAST LONDON?

I live in Bath, for the love of God – a place so white that no one dares drink red wine in case they spill some and stain it forever. And I immediately think of two mixed race couples with children with whom I’m good friends, among a good deal more I know. (I realise I’m so damned close to saying, “Some of my best friends are…” but I’m just trying to make the point that even Aryan Bath would make a great place for the organisers to start their hunt.) Then there’s that word, “educated”. It’s a horribly written sentence, so it’s not clear if he’s deliberately only referring to the “white middle-aged mother” as such, and not the “black father”, but it wouldn’t be particularly surprising. But what does “educated” have to do with it? Does he believe that mixed-race couples can only be stupid people? That education would prevent such a thing happening? And what about “happy”? If they weren’t educated but happy, presumably that’s because they’re too stupid to know how awful their lives must be? But as soon as they get some smarts, there’s no chance of happiness, right?

It’s just horrendous. And it continues. The writer’s disgust cannot understand how an event representing Britain, taking place in London, should have continued including people who aren’t white:

“Almost, if not every, shot in the next sequence included an ethnic minority performer. The BBC presenter Hazel Irvine gushed about the importance of grime music (a form of awful electronic music popular among black youths) to east London. This multicultural equality agenda was so staged it was painful to watch.”

At this point any pretence at ambiguity is abandoned. It’s a man – Rick Dewsbury – just voicing his hate that there are black people living in London. He’s given up pretending this is about the NHS – now it’s just the unbridled horror that East London contains black youths, listening to their electronic music. In a master-strike, he then even endorses disgraced Tory MP Aidan Burley, and his appalling tweets from during the event, where he called it “leftie multicultural nonsense”.

“Yet predictably he has been castigated by Twitter’s Guadianista [sic] brigade.”

Well, no, he was castigated by people who think the Guardian is terrible too, because he made a statement that made him sound like a racist bigot. Because, Rick, when you call something “multicultural nonsense”, it means you’re a racist bigot.

Then he calls it “social engineering”, before insanely swerving back onto his original road of hating the NHS as if it were what he’d been talking about all along. Including adding a statement about how there are some parts of the NHS we can be proud of right at the end, seemingly contradicting the start of his own piece.

That’s a regular trick the Mail uses, too. Along with the bait-and-switch articles (being indignant about one subject wildly steers into being indignant about another), utterly unsupportable, or even downright untrue statements are made, then a contradictory line is added at the very bottom. It’s designed as a Get Out Of Jail, a way of justifying what comes before. But what comes before is designed to make it irrelevant. The Mail reader is supposed to be so incensed by this point that the cowardly reverse-ferret line (usually instantly contradicted once more, as it is here) has no effect at all.

It’s this insidious endorsing of bigotry, wormed into articles on any subject, that makes me so scared of the paper and its power. Because when a newspaper says, “Well, it’s because of those bloody blacks, isn’t it?” apropos of nothing, the reader will feel more comfortable with expressing and believing the same. Of course they will. And when it’s a best-selling daily newspaper, and printed published on the most popular newspaper website in the world, it’s racist bigotry presented as factual news in a mainstream form. And that’s bloody terrifying.
:Rants, The Daily Mail

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[img]http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=787229081303683[/img]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=787229081303683

https://www.facebook.com/truthBECKONS



MediaDeception.jpg
 Description:
Graphic Example Of Media Deception
 Filesize:  66.85 KB
 Viewed:  1249 Time(s)

MediaDeception.jpg



_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hersh revelations and mainstream media
presstv.ir
Kevin Barrett describes how false-flag talk goes mainstream after Hersh exposes lies on Syria.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/12/11/339477/hersh-revelations-and-f alseflag-talk/

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol Very Happy

http://legalaidandme.proboards.com/thread/8301/audacity-cameron-hypocr isy-help-buy

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copy this quick they are taking down Youtube accounts!!!

Dennis Skinner on Jeremy Corbyn BBC news 14.09.2015 (( the end is brilliant))


Link


Quote:
Published on Sep 14, 2015
Its not often that Dennis gets to be on the BBC....... I do not own the content of this video, it is uploaded for educational Purposes, reference and for those of us who Love Denn. Come join us on facebook for regular Dennis updates. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dennis-Skinner-is-a-Legend/385063794939 574


https://soundcloud.com/megagunuk-354309099/dennis-skinner-jeremy-vine- show-today-19915



Youtube account closed 2.JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  76.56 KB
 Viewed:  1100 Time(s)

Youtube account closed 2.JPG



Youtube Account closed 1.JPG
 Description:
 Filesize:  182.95 KB
 Viewed:  1210 Time(s)

Youtube Account closed 1.JPG



_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above fixed photos prove Youtube accounts are being terminated over this clip!
_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Disco_Destroyer
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 6342

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/

Fabrication in BBC Panorama 'Saving Syria’s Children'
Quote:
Analysis of the 30 September 2013 BBC Panorama documentary 'Saving Syria's Children' and related BBC News reports, contending that sequences filmed by BBC personnel and others at Atareb Hospital, Aleppo on 26 August 2013 purporting to show the aftermath of an incendiary bomb attack on a school in Urm Al-Kubra are largely, if not entirely, staged.


to much info and links to try paste them all here...

_________________
'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'


“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”


www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
ian neal
Angel - now passed away
Angel - now passed away


Joined: 26 Jul 2005
Posts: 3140
Location: UK

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

more of the same

recent examples

http://freecriticalthinking.org/daily-pickings/1648-fake-tragedy-media

OK. The first casualty in war is truth but surely the BBC's blatant falsification of news reports out of Madaya in Syria are way beyond what is acceptable from any news media, let alone the UK's public service broadcaster.

Madaya Fake Media Images: BBC Caught Recycling 2014 Footage from Yarmouk

Since the story of the Madaya “starvation” broke seemingly hours after the Saudi lawless and brutal execution of inspirational opposition speaker and cleric Sheikh Nimr, we have been presented with a ceaseless array of fake images many of which have been corrected or withdrawn by the offending mainstream media outlets but then relentlessly and brazenly recycled, regardless, by the social media propaganda rings.



West Media Starves Truth in Syria by Finian Cunningham
The Western news media are at it again – telling barefaced lies and half-truths about starving towns in Syria being liberated from sieges. Fake images of emaciated children are also being published to shore up their fraudulent narrative.

Let's not forget the repeated attempts to foment all out war on Syria, relying on the BBC's false narrative of Assad using chemical weapons on his own people - another NATO sanctioned and facilitated atrocity committed by Al Qaeda/Islamic State or any of the other brand names applied to NATO's mercenary army being used to take over Syria.

Meanwhile, 38 Degrees is circulating a petition to "save" the BBC from that other purveyor of lies, Rupert Murdoch. Perhaps it would be best to let the BBC be destroyed. Its undeserved reputation as an unbiased source of news and analysis would go, as would much of its "quality" output but all BBC output is framed in such a way as to promote the overriding Structural Elite agenda; everything the BBC does is tainted - not least its sycophantic programming in awe of monarchy.

We'd be far better off without the BBC - people may then be persuaded to look beyond the usual media and find news and analysis which reflects reality. Daily Pickings refers to numerous independent sources of information; here are a few:

The Corbett Report

Tragedy and Hope

Global Research

Information Clearing House

However, news and analysis are not like your favourite coffee or restaurant; one cannot just go to a usual source and accept their output at face value - we need to contrast and compare information from multiple independent sources; it takes work but one is much better informed and equipped to cope with life than those who rely on the BBC and Fox News.

And this from medialens

‘Our Only Fear Was That He Might Pull His Punches’ – BBC Caught Manipulating The News

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2016/810-our-o nly-fear-was-that-he-might-pull-his-punches-bbc-caught-manipulating-th e-news.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
outsider
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter
Trustworthy Freedom Fighter


Joined: 30 Jul 2006
Posts: 6060
Location: East London

PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'John Swinton': https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Swinton

John Swinton (1829–1901) was a Scottish-American journalist, newspaper publisher, and orator.

Quotes[edit]
'There is no such a thing in America as an independent press, unless it is out in country towns. You are all slaves. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to express an honest opinion. If you expressed it, you would know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid $150 for keeping honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should allow honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, I would be like Othello before twenty-four hours: my occupation would be gone. The man who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the street hunting for another job. The business of a New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to villify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same — his salary. You know this, and I know it; and what foolery to be toasting an "Independent Press"! We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the string and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.'

E. J. Schellhouse: The New Republic. Founded on the Natural and Inalienable Rights of Man (1883) pp. 122-123 archive.org, quoting - "copied from an Eastern paper" - what "was uttered by a prominent New York journalist at a press dinner a short time since", when "the hackneyed and ridiculous toast, 'The Independent Press,' was proposed".
The journalist's name is disclosed as John Swinton in [Edward Hewes] Gordon Clark's Shylock: as Banker, Bondholder, Corruptionist, Conspirator, Author's Publisher, c/o the American Bimetallic League, Washington D.C. 1894, p. 111 note 4 books.google: On tracing up this extraordinary speech, I find that the moral substance of it was first popped off by John Swinton in 1883. It was "at a banquet of newspaper hacks," in New York, when called upon to speak to the toast, "The Independent Press." Mr. Swinton has always insisted, however, that his remarks were "clumsily reported," and that they contained no "infamous personal confessions." (yamaguchy.com, chapter XIII; hathitrust.org).
In its January 1943 issue the bimonthly American Notes & Queries wrote: It is more than likely that John Swinton's statement that "there is no such thing in America as an independent press, unless it is in the country towns ...." was made at the "Journalists' Gathering" in the rooms of the Twilight Club in the Mills Building, New York City, on April 12, 1883. The subject of Swinton's talk was "Some Things an Editor Dare Not Discuss." Swinton at the time was chief of the editorial staff of Charles A. Dana's New York Sun, a post which he left a very few months later to found his own ill-fated labor sheet, John Swinton's Paper. The Twilight Club dinner at which Swinton and five or six other working newspapermen spoke was only very briefly reported in the New York papers. (p. 159 books.google).'

From the horses mouth!!!

_________________
'And he (the devil) said to him: To thee will I give all this power, and the glory of them; for to me they are delivered, and to whom I will, I give them'. Luke IV 5-7.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    9/11, 7/7, Covid-1984 & the War on Freedom Forum Index -> Recommended reading, listening & viewing All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group