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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject:
Lee wrote:
WARNING : Might be a good idea for some members here to plug their ears round about 1:42 until about 2:00 when watching the 1st video above.
Wouldn't want your belief system challenging now would you?
Scott forbes obviously a disinfo agent to some _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
I've always found it a tad odd that nobody else seems to have come forward to corroborate the power down story.
Scott Forbes seems convincing and believable, especially regarding the extremely short notice of 3 weeks in which to prepare Fiduciary Trust's Data Centre for such an event.
He states that this was unprecedented. Three weeks notice for such work is just staggering.
So, one would have assumed that other WTC tenants would have been equally affected by this event.
A March 2001 article in Elevator World describes contemporary work on the elevator system of the Twin Towers by Ace Elevator as "one of the largest, most sophisticated elevator modernization programs in the industry's history." 1
Footnote 1 [PDF] _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:30 pm Post subject:
As far as i remember the power down was only in one tower and not every floor and only a weekend. So if we think this gave opportunity for some nefarious actions then it doesnt account for the other tower. I have no reason to doubt there was a power down as Scott Forbes describes but it may have been for genuine reasons.
The logistics of planting explosives systematically so they were hidden is a stumbling block for me _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
As far as i remember the power down was only in one tower and not every floor and only a weekend. So if we think this gave opportunity for some nefarious actions then it doesnt account for the other tower. I have no reason to doubt there was a power down as Scott Forbes describes but it may have been for genuine reasons.
The logistics of planting explosives systematically so they were hidden is a stumbling block for me
Plenty of cavity space to work in? I’ve done it myself when in the construction business with people working below, depending on the false ceilings and that would be none the wiser; or night shifts. It’s common to have all sorts of maintenance and refits going on. That would give 20 years to do it in, or however long they stood there.
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 2568 Location: One breath from Glory
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:07 am Post subject:
Andrew. wrote:
fish5133 wrote:
As far as i remember the power down was only in one tower and not every floor and only a weekend. So if we think this gave opportunity for some nefarious actions then it doesnt account for the other tower. I have no reason to doubt there was a power down as Scott Forbes describes but it may have been for genuine reasons.
The logistics of planting explosives systematically so they were hidden is a stumbling block for me
Plenty of cavity space to work in? I’ve done it myself when in the construction business with people working below, depending on the false ceilings and that would be none the wiser; or night shifts. It’s common to have all sorts of maintenance and refits going on. That would give 20 years to do it in, or however long they stood there.
The problem with a long term positioning of explosives is the likelihood of detection. I did raise the question with Architects and Engineers about explosives being in paint form but i dont think the thickness would be sufficient although thermite cutter charges are not that big. I dont know if the ceiling voids had crawlways in but some websites suggest a 3 ft ceiling void well ample for crawling around in.
i also asked Architects and Engineers if they had researched any systematic maintenance work carried out in the towers that would have given access to maintenance shafts and the steel columns. A lot of the columns would be hidden behind decorative pannelling. I agree the main areas of attack would probably be in vertical service ducts where there is no aesthetic requirements to the steelwork. The ideal op would be for some "fire protection" works in the form of cladding rather than intumescent paint-- but that info should be in the public domain and I have not come across confirmation. Lets hope the Architects and Engineers keep digging _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
The problem with a long term positioning of explosives is the likelihood of detection. I did raise the question with Architects and Engineers about explosives being in paint form but i dont think the thickness would be sufficient although thermite cutter charges are not that big. I dont know if the ceiling voids had crawlways in but some websites suggest a 3 ft ceiling void well ample for crawling around in.
Out of sight out of mind, even for conventional charges. They could have also, as many buildings have a void in the floor for computer terminals. Again, done it myself and so easy to do work at ground level, which is the purpose of them and to cover the wires etc, usually about a one foot void.
In the years between 1995 and 2001 thermal protection was upgraded in a number of floors affected by the fires on September 11, 2001. Specifically, in WTC1, floors 92 through 100 and 102 were upgraded; and in WTC2, floors 77, 78, 88, 89, 92, 96 and 97 were upgraded.
There appears to be a remarkable correlation between the floors upgraded for fireproofing in the WTC towers, in the years preceding 9/11/01, and the floors of impact, fire and failure. The fireproofing upgrades would have allowed for shutdown of the affected floors, and the exposure of the floor assemblies and the columns for a significant period of time. Exactly what work was done during that time?
continues.... _________________ The Medium is the Massage - Marshall McLuhan.
In the years between 1995 and 2001 thermal protection was upgraded in a number of floors affected by the fires on September 11, 2001. Specifically, in WTC1, floors 92 through 100 and 102 were upgraded; and in WTC2, floors 77, 78, 88, 89, 92, 96 and 97 were upgraded.
There appears to be a remarkable correlation between the floors upgraded for fireproofing in the WTC towers, in the years preceding 9/11/01, and the floors of impact, fire and failure. The fireproofing upgrades would have allowed for shutdown of the affected floors, and the exposure of the floor assemblies and the columns for a significant period of time. Exactly what work was done during that time?
continues....
It would also suggest that if there was a problem on some floors then the same problem requiring"thermal upgrade" would probably exist throughout the building. Maybe WTC 7 as well _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
Don't many explosives degrade over time?
and some become less stable too :0
could be an interesting journey 'the shelf life of explosives' _________________ 'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
Help, help, I'm being repressed!'
“The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.”
does anyone know what the official establishment/goverment word is on the power down?
have they even acknowledge it as an event? _________________ "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"
Gary Corbett apparently confirms that Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Inc was out of town on 9/11 and embellishes the story with the statement that she immediately confirmed with her stockholders not to worry about the company because "only clerks" were killed that day. Good to see her looking after her backers and banksters so well.
NEW YORK — A new witness confirms the WTC power down on the weekend before 9/11.
Gary Corbett is a former employee of Fiduciary Trust Company International, a bank that occupied the 90th and the 94th to 97th floors of World Trade Center Two (the South Tower) and which lost 96 employees during the September 11 attacks. Corbett, who worked on the 97th floor, says there was a ‘power down’ on the week-end prior to September 11 for approximately 24 to 36 hours. During this period, he says, “there was a complete breakdown of security that weekend because of the power down.”
According to Corbett, the power down started on Friday night, at close of business and only came back on Sunday afternoon.
A number of business leaders who would normally have been in the World Trade Center, were instead at a meeting hosted by Warren Buffett on September 11th at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska. That group included Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Inc., a company that occupied five floors on or above the 90th floor of the South Tower.
Forbes dustifies the "no planes theory" in his interview with Jim Fetzer. He says adamantly that he saw the second plane fly into the South Tower.
http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-scott%20fo rbes.mp3
For some strange reason, Jim fails to comment upon hearing his guest undermine all the arguments that he has developed, supporting the no planes theory. There's hope for you still, Jim!
A number of business leaders who would normally have been in the World Trade Center, were instead at a meeting hosted by Warren Buffett on September 11th at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska. That group included Anne Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust Inc., a company that occupied five floors on or above the 90th floor of the South Tower.
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: Pre-Laid demolition Charges.
Hi,
This is my first post here as up until about 2 weeks ago I knew nothing of 9/11 other than what the MSM had told me. I found a few films on youtube and it blew my mind. I had always thought that 9/11 conspiracy theorists and supporters were merely the tin-foil hat brigade but I am an absolute convert.
Now having watched many videos (including the excellent documentary looking at the physics and structural truth behind the day's events) and done some reading I am 100% convinced that the whole operation was not merely an awful terrorist attack involving aeroplanes.
The scientific evidence of the towers in 'free fall' and the collapse patterns of all 3 buildings at the WTC clearly points to a controlled demolition. Having some limited experience with explosives through my previous career in the Army, I know that even to rig a small number of them is a time consuming and labourious task.
I am aware of the fire safety improvements that were carried out on certain sections of the WTC building in the years prior to 9/11 and have also read Scott Forbes's accounts of the power outtage on the weekend 8-9 Sept.
Essentially my questions regarding this are:
1. There are suggestions of nanothermite having been used at the WTC. Who has the ability to produce such a material? Due to its limited industrial applications, it would appear that a realitively small number of organisations would be able to make such a compound. Has anybody investigated this issue?
2. Conducting a controlled demolition of such massive structures is simple task. It was clearly the work of professionals and again I shouldn't imagine there are that many companies capable of such work. Due to operational security I guess whoever carried out the attacks would not use a company but would use specially recruited individuals for the work.
Has there been any investigations carried out into the explosive demolition fraternity? There would have been many people involved in physically rigging the buildings and usually someone will have loose lips. I'm guessing the explosive demolition world is pretty small so there must be people within it who have information on people working for a long period in the NY area.
It may seem grasping at straws but it only takes one conclusive piece of evidence to prove a conspiracy.
Sorry for rambling but I have so many questions and idea that they are pouring out. Nice to have a community to be able to ask those questions.
NYC Dept. of Buildings: No Records for Pre-9/11 WTC Elevator Rebuild, One of the “Largest, Most Sophisticated” Ever
article by Aidan Monaghan at 911blogger.com
Quote:
The New York City Department of Buildings (DoB) has reported within a June 6, 2011 Freedom of Information (FOI) response, that no records could be located regarding the following request for information pertaining to the massive elevator modernization project underway at World Trade Center buildings 1 and 2 until the very morning of September 11, 2001, one of the largest ever [1]. The DoB governs elevator construction and use within New York City.
An April 15, 2011 FOI appeal request sought:
“Permits or certifications provided by the NYC Department of Buildings regarding elevator modernization/renovation work performed at the former World Trade Center buildings 1 and 2 during the 1990s and 2000s."
The DoB’s June 6, 2011 FOI answer reads as follows:
“BIS shows no elevator records for the time period in question.”
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Pre-Laid demolition Charges.
St_Sandy wrote:
...
1. There are suggestions of nanothermite having been used at the WTC. Who has the ability to produce such a material? Due to its limited industrial applications, it would appear that a realitively small number of organisations would be able to make such a compound. Has anybody investigated this issue?
....
Hi Sandy,
Welcome. Yes, there are several places that produce energetic composite nanomaterials (hereafter called "nanothermite"). There are two main uses for this material:
1. Rocket fuel and propellants
2. Munitions and explosives
The main centres for research are in the USA: Lawerence Livermore Laboratories, SANDIA organisation and the US Navy's Indian Head facility just outside of Washington. One of the organisations most involved in coordinating research into such materials is er... NIST.
There are other countries that are also interested in such materials: Russia and France being the most noteworthy.
On 21st September 2001, 10 days after 9/11 the French manufacturing plant for rocket fuel, SNPE, blew up - blowing out just about every window in Toulose.
The explosion was blamed on a Muslim that just joined the adjoining AZF factory just a week earlier and died in the blast. The official investigation into this allegation is extremely flawed. A french maths teacher has done extensive research and has argued convincingly that there were two explosions - one of which was within the SNPE compound.
The most likely source of the nanothermite is the US Navy Indian Head facility which cost $8billion to manufacture in the 1990s. This plant produces the explosive compound known as IH-135 which is reasonably widely discussed as having the properties suitable for use for building structure demolition.
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Power Down
scottforbes wrote:
Gary Corbett has validated the power down on camera.
Thanks Scott. Thanks Gary
Link _________________ JO911B.
"for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against wicked spirits in high places " Eph.6 v 12
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