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http://rense.com/general63/chertoffcousinwrote911.htm
But the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics (PM) plumbs new depths of nepotism and Hearst-style "yellow journalism" with its cover story about 9/11. PM's senior researcher, 25-year-old Benjamin Chertoff, authored a propagandistic cover story entitled "Debunking 9/11 Lies" which seeks to discredit all independent 9/11 research that challenges the official version of events.
But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his "cousin" now heads. This is exactly the kind of "journalism" one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist - the one who never answers the phone.
Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/questionsforbellonchertoff05mar05.shtml
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.h tm
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=86989 |
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| scubadiver wrote: | http://rense.com/general63/chertoffcousinwrote911.htm
But the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics (PM) plumbs new depths of nepotism and Hearst-style "yellow journalism" with its cover story about 9/11. PM's senior researcher, 25-year-old Benjamin Chertoff, authored a propagandistic cover story entitled "Debunking 9/11 Lies" which seeks to discredit all independent 9/11 research that challenges the official version of events.
But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his "cousin" now heads. This is exactly the kind of "journalism" one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist - the one who never answers the phone.
Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/questionsforbellonchertoff05mar05.shtml
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.h tm
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=86989 |
Benjamin Chertoff is not related to Michael Chertoff. His mother said they might be distant cousins.
Why does the truth movement need to lie? Why does it need to twist his mother's words to say something she did not? |
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Popular Mechanics plumbs new depths in March 2005 |
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| scubadiver wrote: | http://rense.com/general63/chertoffcousinwrote911.htm
But the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics (PM) plumbs new depths of nepotism and Hearst-style "yellow journalism" with its cover story about 9/11. PM's senior researcher, 25-year-old Benjamin Chertoff, authored a propagandistic cover story entitled "Debunking 9/11 Lies" which seeks to discredit all independent 9/11 research that challenges the official version of events.
But who is Benjamin Chertoff, the "senior researcher" at Popular Mechanics who is behind the article? American Free Press has learned that he is none other than a cousin of Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
This means that Hearst paid Benjamin Chertoff to write an article supporting the seriously flawed explanation that is based on a practically non-existent investigation of the terror event that directly led to the creation of the massive national security department his "cousin" now heads. This is exactly the kind of "journalism" one would expect to find in a dictatorship like that of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist - the one who never answers the phone.
Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/questionsforbellonchertoff05mar05.shtml
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.h tm
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=86989 |
Oh that's rich! You've got an article originally written by a blog which purports to be a newspaper called: "The American Free Press"...but is actually just a blog that writes stories supporting holocaust deniers and conspircay theorists.
Then this article is re-printed by Jeff Rense...who is a whackjob on the order of David Icke. Go look at Rense's homepage...he thinks UFOs are invading...if that wasn't enough he's also a virulently antisemetic person.
The article itself is nothing but a re-print of an oft-told lie. Benjamin and Michael Chertoff are not related. His mom took a call and said something like; "I suppose they could be distand cousins"... You dishonest nutters then take that quote and trumpet it as evidence of nepotism...thereby not even having to actually examine the PM article's veracity. It's intellectual dishonesty at it's most flagrant.
As these guys share an uncommon surname it's very possible that they are related...but IIRC even John Kerry and George Bush are 10th cousins! Go back far enough and I bet you and I are cousins! (shudder)
Clearly whether they are related or not it's no reason to ignore the PM article. Even if they were twin brothers the PM article itself must be judged on it's content...not prejudged.
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Jay Ref,
You have all the answers so you tell us. So why won't you comment about this appalling mindset that is clearly influencing the White House/ NeoCon Administration? Why do you refuse to engage in dialogue here? Could it be you might actually agree with us....now that would never do, would it?
Please comment about this - I'm asking you politely:
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By Sarah Posner Posted August 3, 2006.
In a perfect world, a reporter at last week's press conference with George Bush and Tony Blair would have asked Bush, in the presence of his principal European ally, if he believes the European Union is the Antichrist.
Although it sounds like the kind of Pat Robertson lunacy that makes even the wingnuts run for the nearest exit, it's a question Bush should be forced to answer. Bush and other leading Republicans have lined up behind a growing movement of Christian Zionists for whom a European Antichrist figures prominently in an end-times scenario. So they should be forced to explain to the rest of us why they're courting the votes of people who believe our allies are evil incarnate. Could it be that the central requirement for their breathlessly anticipated Armageddon -- that the United States confront Iran -- happens to dovetail so nicely with the neoconservative war agenda?
At the center of it all is Pastor John Hagee, a popular televangelist who leads the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. While Hagee has long prophesized about the end times, he ratcheted up his rhetoric this year with the publication of his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," in which he argues that a confrontation with Iran is a necessary precondition for Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. In the best-selling book, Hagee insists that the United States must join Israel in a preemptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West. Shortly after the book's publication, he launched Christians United for Israel (CUFI), which, as the Christian version of the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee, he said would cause "a political earthquake."
At CUFI's kick-off banquet at the Washington Hilton, attended by over 3,500 members, Republican support for both Hagee's effort and his drumbeat for war with Iran were on full view. Republican National Committee Chair Ken Mehlman told the group that "no regime is more central to the global jihad" than Iran. Just two days before, Newt Gingrich and John McCain made the rounds of the Sunday talk shows to sound the same message, leading Benny Elon, a member of the Israeli Knesset, to comment to the Jerusalem Post that their remarks originated with Hagee. Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback also addressed the group, and Bush sent words of support to the gathering. Republicans, and even some Democrats, spoke at CUFI events to show their "support for Israel." But while public and media attention was on the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, Hagee's focus continued to be on Iran.
While the crisis at the Israel-Lebanon border drew more mainstream media attention to CUFI's activities, Hagee's supporters have long known that leading Republicans are listening. Rabbi Daniel Lapin, a prominent Jewish ally of the evangelical right (and friend of Jack Abramoff) has said that Hagee "without question, yes, absolutely" has the ear of the White House. Hagee's annual Night to Honor Israel at his church has drawn prominent Republicans, including Tom DeLay, who was the keynote speaker in 2002.
Although Republicans would never admit it -- they claim their support for Christian Zionists like Hagee is based on their own support for Israel -- it is clear that they know they need the votes of this constituency to win. In the same way that Karl Rove courted conservative evangelicals in 2004 by appealing to their homophobia, Republican campaign rhetoric for 2006 and 2008 has already shown signs of playing to voters who have been hearing hype for a war with Iran for months -- at church.
While Washington insiders wonder what it means when Republicans like Mehlman and presidential aspirants Gingrich and McCain finger Iran as the central player in an epic clash of civilizations, Hagee already has spent months mobilizing the shock troops in support of another war. As diplomats, experts and pundits debate how many years Iran will need to develop a viable nuclear weapon, Hagee says the mullahs already possess the means to destroy Israel and America. And although Bush insists that diplomatic options are still on the table, Hagee has dismissed * diplomacy and primed his followers for a conflagration.
Hagee wields "a very large megaphone" that reaches "a very large group of people," said Rabbi James Rudin of the American Jewish Committee, who has studied the Christian right for 30 years. With CUFI, the pastor has exponentially expanded the reach of his megaphone beyond his television audience. Thanks to the viral marketing made possible by the hundreds of evangelical leaders who have signed on to his new organization, his warmongering has rippled through megachurches across America for months. Hagee calls pastors "the spiritual generals of America," an appropriate phrase given his reliance on them to rally their troops behind his message.
The CUFI board of directors includes the Rev. Jerry Falwell, former Republican presidential candidate and religious right activist Gary Bauer, and George Morrison, pastor of the 8,000-member Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, Colo., and chairman of the board of Promise Keepers. Rod Parsley, the Ohio televangelist who is rapidly becoming a major political player in the Christian right, signed on to be a regional director.
For Hagee's new project, his influence in Washington is probably less important than his influence over his audience. With the clout of his listeners, he can serve Bush administration hawks by firing up grassroots support for a military strike against Iran. Over 700,000 people purchased his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," and countless more have heard him promote it on Christian radio and television programming. Dramatic, doomsday advertising has been heard by listeners of Christian media as well as on Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly's radio programs. The pages of "Jerusalem Countdown" provide a peculiar mix of biblical prophecy, purported inside information from Israeli government officials and a mixed-up, pared-down lesson in nuclear physics.
"I wrote this book in April 2005, and when people read it, they will think I wrote it late last night after the FOX News report," says the author without a trace of irony. "It's that close to where we are and beyond."
Hagee speaks simultaneously to two audiences about Iran's nuclear capabilities: one that fears a terrorist attack by Iran and another that embraces a biblically mandated apocalypse. To impress the fearful, he mimics Bush's deceptions about Iraq's capacity to attack the United States with weapons of mass destruction, Condoleezza Rice's warnings of mushroom clouds, and Dick Cheney's dissembling about an alliance between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida. Comparing Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Hitler, Hagee argues that Iran's development of nuclear weapons must be stopped to protect America and Israel from a nuclear attack. Preying on legitimate worries about terrorism, and invoking 9/11, he vividly describes a supposed Iranian-led plan to simultaneously explode nuclear suitcase bombs in seven American cities, or to use an electromagnetic pulse device to create "an American Hiroshima."
When addressing audiences receptive to Scriptural prophecy, however, Hagee welcomes the coming confrontation. He argues that a strike against Iran will cause Arab nations to unite under Russia's leadership, as outlined in chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of Ezekiel, leading to an "inferno [that] will explode across the Middle East, plunging the world toward Armageddon." In Hagee's telling, Israel has no choice but to strike at Iran's nuclear facilities, with or without America's help. The strike will provoke Russia -- which wants Persian Gulf oil -- to lead an army of Arab nations against Israel. Then God will wipe out all but one-sixth of the Russian-led army, as the world watches "with shock and awe," he says, lending either a divine quality to the Bush administration phrase or a Bush-like quality to God's wrath.
But Hagee doesn't stop there. He adds that Ezekiel predicts fire "upon those who live in security in the coastlands." From this sentence, he concludes that there will be judgment upon all who stood by while the Russian-led force invaded Israel, and issues a stark warning to the United States to intervene: "Could it be that America, who refuses to defend Israel from the Russian invasion, will experience nuclear warfare on our east and west coasts?" He says yes, citing Genesis 12:3, in which God said to Israel: "I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you."
To fill the power vacuum left by God's decimation of the Russian army, the Antichrist -- the head of the EU -- will rule "a one-world government, a one-world currency and a one-world religion" for three and a half years. (Hagee adds that "one need only be a casual observer of current events to see that all three of these things are coming into reality." The "demonic world leader" will then be confronted by a false prophet, identified by Hagee as China, at Armageddon, the Mount of Megiddo in Israel. As they prepare for the final battle, Jesus will return on a white horse and cast both villains -- and presumably any nonbelievers -- into a "lake of fire burning with brimstone," thus marking the beginning of his millennial reign.
Hagee doesn't fear a nuclear conflagration, but rather God's wrath for standing by as Iran executes its supposed plot to destroy Israel. A nuclear confrontation between America and Iran, which he says is foretold in the Book of Jeremiah, will not lead to the end of the world, but rather to God's renewal of the Garden of Eden. But Hagee is ultimately less concerned with the fate of Israel or the Jews than with a theocratic Christian right agenda. When Jesus returns for his millennial reign, he tells his television audience, "the righteous are going to rule the nations of the earth When Jesus Christ comes back, he's not going to ask the ACLU if it's all right to pray, he's not going to ask the churches if they can ordain pedophile bishops and priests, he's not going to ask if it's all right to put the Ten Commandments in the statehouses. He's not going to endorse abortion, he's going to run the world by the word of God The world will never end. It's going to become a Garden of Eden, and Christ is going to rule it."
Sarah Posner has covered the religious right for The American Prospect, The Gadflyer, and AlterNet. This article is adapted from "Pastor Strangelove," which appeared in the June 2006 issue of The American Prospect. |
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Why are you spamming all the threads with this nonsense?? I answered your question once! What the hell do you want from me?
So you don't like religious nuts in power? Great! Neither do I.
Problem is there's so many of them you just can't get away from them! But at least they're not chasing me from thread to thread with stupid spam...
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If you remember you deigned not to reply to my initial request so a little chasing was required - spam?.....now that old phrase concerning a pot and kettle springs to mind..............
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| Just so you don't have to wade through the spam, the OP is wrong, the Chertoffs are not related. CTers will tell you they are, but they lie. |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Just so you don't have to wade through the spam, the OP is wrong, the Chertoffs are not related. CTers will tell you they are, but they lie. |
And OCTers like you and Jay Lord will say that blasts at the bottom of the WTC as collapse begins are actually pressure wavy air venty thingy-meo's.
You, it would seem, also lie.
Ner ner ne ner ner. 
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| DeFecToR wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Just so you don't have to wade through the spam, the OP is wrong, the Chertoffs are not related. CTers will tell you they are, but they lie. |
And OCTers like you and Jay Lord will say that blasts at the bottom of the WTC as collapse begins are actually pressure wavy air venty thingy-meo's.
You, it would seem, also lie.
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No, that would be simple physics. I'm sorry you don't understand.
On the subject of the Chertoffs, Ben Chertoffs mother said they might be distant cousins, because they had an unusual surname. The AFP took that quote, and changed it to "They are cousins". That is an outright lie, a fabrication, a twisting of the truth. Why do they need to change people's words to suit their cause? Why can't they use the facts as they stand? Oh, that's right, because the facts don't say what they want them to, they don't suit their agenda, and so they have to lie. |
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Off topic I know, but here's a link posted in another thread -
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm
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Why do they need to change people's words to suit their cause? Why can't they use the facts as they stand? Oh, that's right, because the facts don't say what they want them to, they don't suit their agenda, and so they have to lie. |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | On the subject of the Chertoffs, Ben Chertoffs mother said they might be distant cousins, because they had an unusual surname. The AFP took that quote, and changed it to "They are cousins". That is an outright lie, a fabrication, a twisting of the truth. Why do they need to change people's words to suit their cause? Why can't they use the facts as they stand? Oh, that's right, because the facts don't say what they want them to, they don't suit their agenda, and so they have to lie. |
A couple of weeks ago this issue was raised on this forum. I scoured the web for the kind of 'information' you are presenting but could not find it. I challenged Jay Ref to provide evidence that the Chertoff's were not related as reported (not that this particularly matters, the artice was lying disinfo anyway). He failed to do so. Now up you pop with a more detailed 'interview' with the mother.
I think we know where you get your information JP.
You are a paid timewasting troll....but everyone on this site seems to realise that already. Goodbye. Enjoy Critic's Corner. |
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | On the subject of the Chertoffs, Ben Chertoffs mother said they might be distant cousins, because they had an unusual surname. The AFP took that quote, and changed it to "They are cousins". That is an outright lie, a fabrication, a twisting of the truth. Why do they need to change people's words to suit their cause? Why can't they use the facts as they stand? Oh, that's right, because the facts don't say what they want them to, they don't suit their agenda, and so they have to lie. |
A couple of weeks ago this issue was raised on this forum. I scoured the web for the kind of 'information' you are presenting but could not find it. I challenged Jay Ref to provide evidence that the Chertoff's were not related as reported (not that this particularly matters, the artice was lying disinfo anyway). He failed to do so. Now up you pop with a more detailed 'interview' with the mother.
I think we know where you get your information JP.
You are a paid timewasting troll....but everyone on this site seems to realise that already. Goodbye. Enjoy Critic's Corner. |
Why are we so concerned with who Chertoff's cousin may or may not be anyway? Wouldn't it be more logical to actually address the PM article itself? If you can debunk the article's information then do it...but attempting to poison the well is another fallacious argument.
We skeptics (Hat tip to "Gravy") have found over 80-odd errors of fact in LC2E and have created a guide pointing out these errors...debunking them with evidence. Gravy never looked through Dylan Avery's family tree to find some dirt...he merely addressed the false assertions in LC2E.
Why can't the truthers just do this with the PM article? The only reason I can come up with is that they are scared of the info in the article and can refute none of it at all....therefore Chertoff gets linked to the evil plan...
The same thing has happened with JP and myself...you can't attack our info...so you keep suggesting our motives are tainted somehow.
It's plainly ridiculous. If the truth movement had substance we'd have seen it by now. All you folks are is a collection off malcontents, misfits, and anti-government/anti-semetic nutters. Throw in a bunch of comic book reading, James Bond watching kids who have grown up with a sense of unearned entitlement and voila! we have the grand 9/11 truth movement.
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | On the subject of the Chertoffs, Ben Chertoffs mother said they might be distant cousins, because they had an unusual surname. The AFP took that quote, and changed it to "They are cousins". That is an outright lie, a fabrication, a twisting of the truth. Why do they need to change people's words to suit their cause? Why can't they use the facts as they stand? Oh, that's right, because the facts don't say what they want them to, they don't suit their agenda, and so they have to lie. |
A couple of weeks ago this issue was raised on this forum. I scoured the web for the kind of 'information' you are presenting but could not find it. I challenged Jay Ref to provide evidence that the Chertoff's were not related as reported (not that this particularly matters, the artice was lying disinfo anyway). He failed to do so. Now up you pop with a more detailed 'interview' with the mother.
I think we know where you get your information JP.
You are a paid timewasting troll....but everyone on this site seems to realise that already. Goodbye. Enjoy Critic's Corner. |
Why don't you phone up or email Ben Chertoff at Popular Mechanics and ask him? 911myths did, because they give a damn about the truth, but I guess you won't accept their answer.
http://www.911myths.com/html/benjamin_chertoff.html
Why not try it for yourself, although I'd guess he'd be lying too.
But again it makes no difference who he is related to. He could be George Bush's illegitimate love child, and that wouldn't change the laws of physics. The PM article is based in fact and science, and doesn't rely on the authors being related to anyone. |
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Its very easy to find out about popular mechanics but of course Johnny knows that:
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html
http://www.911review.com/pm/markup/index.html
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm
http://www.oilempire.us/popular-mechanics.html
There is way more of course, try google.
PM was merely a deceptive smear. Strawman attacks. Gravity denial.
Not 'fact and science' at all.
Quite amusing that the 'science' contained within it spawned the website that Johnny bases all his 'thinking' on...911 myths.
Which itself has been debunked. Again, Johnny knows that but hes here for those 'on-the-fence' as admitted numerous times. Very few will be deceived Johnny, if any.
Its amusing you accept the answer at 911 myths from Chertoff as 'fact' when his mother already revealed the truth. Who had more vested interest in truth between those 2? The mum, unawares to the impact her comment would have at the time, or the man himself (after mother had put her foot in it)???. Would you phone a murderer and ask him if he did it johnny? Then believe the answer? And you claim to be after truth?
You say yourself "it makes no difference who he is related to" (backing away from your spurious claims). It could give an explanation for all the strawman attacks and deception throughout the hitpiece. The PM article is a crock of s**t. The fact you tout it as the truth is very revealing...
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Whatever happened to "Critics Corner" or whatever it was to be called? I don't get much time these days to look on this board, which is a good thing really - I now seem to be getting more opportunities to "do" things - at the moment trying to build bridges with good and decent people from Stop the War, etc that I am re-establishing contact with - we want to do just that - stop war, stop babies getting slaughtered and radically change the world for good. If from time to time when I get chance to look in on this forum I just see more and more of these "discussions" (to put it politely!) going on - before too long I won't bother to look in here at all and anything I want to discuss I shall confine to an email list of my local 9/11 activists... there just isn't time for all this rubbish!
Why don't we just totally ignore people who are so very OBVIOUSLY only here for a bit of agro?!
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scar
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Aye fair point Jane, they should be ignored, but its hard not to respond to blatent lies like this one:
"The PM article is based in fact and science, and doesn't rely on the authors being related to anyone."
Admittedly if i was to challenge every blatent lie spouted by these clowns i'd waste a lot of time and thats what they want.
Just doing my bit.
Andy's approach is the way forward really.
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Johnny Pixels
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Nepotism |
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| scar wrote: | I
Its amusing you accept the answer at 911 myths from Chertoff as 'fact' when his mother already revealed the truth. Who had more vested interest in truth between those 2? The mum, unawares to the impact her comment would have at the time, or the man himself (after mother had put her foot in it)???. Would you phone a murderer and ask him if he did it johnny? Then believe the answer? And you claim to be after truth?. |
I see you have failed to grasp the subtle difference between "truth" and "lie".
Chertoff's mother said they "might be cousins".
The AFP said she said "They are cousins"
There is a world of difference between the two, but the "truth" movement saw fit to change his mother's words. They had to lie. Why did they lie? Why did they have to lie?
I'm not sure how many ways I can say this, but they lied, 100% untruth. Why? Why? Why?
I don't understand why they need to do this. Why did they need to lie? Please can you explain why they lied? |
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Johnny Pixels
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, looked at the PM article debunks. It's just the same old same old that just keeps getting rehashed, debunked, rehashed, debunked etc ad infinitum
Let me know when you got evidence. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Whatever happened to "Critics Corner"? |
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| Jane wrote: | Whatever happened to "Critics Corner" or whatever it was to be called? I don't get much time these days to look on this board, which is a good thing really - I now seem to be getting more opportunities to "do" things - at the moment trying to build bridges with good and decent people from Stop the War, etc that I am re-establishing contact with - we want to do just that - stop war, stop babies getting slaughtered and radically change the world for good. If from time to time when I get chance to look in on this forum I just see more and more of these "discussions" (to put it politely!) going on - before too long I won't bother to look in here at all and anything I want to discuss I shall confine to an email list of my local 9/11 activists... there just isn't time for all this rubbish!
Why don't we just totally ignore people who are so very OBVIOUSLY only here for a bit of agro?! |
Yes by all means insulate yourself from reality. Cloister yourself with other deluded naifs. That'll stop those babies from being shoved into blenders by the evil joos...or won't it???
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scar
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| Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Yeah, looked at the PM article debunks. |
If you had been around this issue longer than a year you would know that PM was thoroughly debunked immediately. It, like you, wasnt interested in truth but in persuading those on the fence to get back down, hence the strawman attacks, lies, deceptions etc.
| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | It's just the same old same old that just keeps getting rehashed, debunked, rehashed, debunked etc ad infinitum |
More '911 mirths' for us all, thanks buddy...
All check out Popular Mechanics Meigs with O'Reilly debunking 911myths:
http://relivethefuture.com/scar/Fox_PopMech_Meigs_debunking_lol.rar
(You need bittorrent to get this)
Try not to cry laughing.
Oh and jayref, quit the "evil joos" anti-semitism please.
Cheers. |
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Johnny Pixels
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| scar wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Yeah, looked at the PM article debunks. |
If you had been around this issue longer than a year you would know that PM was thoroughly debunked immediately. It, like you, wasnt interested in truth but in persuading those on the fence to get back down, hence the strawman attacks, lies, deceptions etc.
| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | It's just the same old same old that just keeps getting rehashed, debunked, rehashed, debunked etc ad infinitum |
More '911 mirths' for us all, thanks buddy...
All check out Popular Mechanics Meigs with O'Reilly debunking 911myths:
http://relivethefuture.com/scar/Fox_PopMech_Meigs_debunking_lol.rar
(You need bittorrent to get this)
Try not to cry laughing.
Oh and jayref, quit the "evil joos" anti-semitism please.
Cheers. |
So why do the PM debunks claim that the black smoke indicates oxygen starved fire, when it in fact, doesn't?
Why are the PM debunks in fact, wrong?
Why are the PM debunks still just rehashes of the same old tired old rubbish that makes up 99.9% of the truth movement? |
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scar
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:33 am Post subject: Loose Cling-On |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | It's just the same old same old that just keeps getting rehashed, debunked, rehashed, debunked etc ad infinitum |
| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Why are the PM debunks still just rehashes of the same old tired old rubbish that makes up 99.9% of the truth movement? |
| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Why are the PM debunks in fact, wrong? |
Fancy handwaving and dancing around in your ninja suit isnt helping your cause much.
Cling to Popular Mechanics if it makes you feel 'special'.
I think you're 'special' if that helps at all.
Watch the clip from faux and then come back and tell me how it was all 'facts and science'
Im sorry to tell you that this is my last reply to you Mr Pixels. Ive hidden my feedbag and i just kept a few grains in my hand which have now gone.
Good luck on your mission to delude people back onto the Official Fairytale. You are gonna need it.
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Johnny Pixels
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| Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Loose Cling-On |
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| scar wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | It's just the same old same old that just keeps getting rehashed, debunked, rehashed, debunked etc ad infinitum |
| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Why are the PM debunks still just rehashes of the same old tired old rubbish that makes up 99.9% of the truth movement? |
| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | Why are the PM debunks in fact, wrong? |
Fancy handwaving and dancing around in your ninja suit isnt helping your cause much.
Cling to Popular Mechanics if it makes you feel 'special'.
I think you're 'special' if that helps at all.
Watch the clip from faux and then come back and tell me how it was all 'facts and science'
Im sorry to tell you that this is my last reply to you Mr Pixels. Ive hidden my feedbag and i just kept a few grains in my hand which have now gone.
Good luck on your mission to delude people back onto the Official Fairytale. You are gonna need it. |
So why do the PM debunks claim the black smoke was because the fire was oxygen starved, when in fact it was due to huge amounts of office furniture, which contains plastic, which is made from oil, which burns with black smoke?
Why do they say this, when they are wrong?
That's not a debunk, that's called lying. |
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