05Sep2012 Saad Al-Hilli family contract killing Annecy, Alps

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French Alps Mil Software: Saad Al-Hilli family contract kill

Just throwing this one in here for the record. Has a bizarre element. Bodies found and reported to police by a cyclist, male driver and 2 women shot dead inside, shot girl outside and a further shot corpse dressed in cycling gear nearby. Was this a hit job gone wrong and by whom?

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Coincidence... and I think it is coincidence... is that the murders took place near Chevaline - the code name for Britain's missile war head project...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevaline

The murdered man,Saad Al-Hilli, worked on satellite technology at Surrey Satellites near (and associated with) Surrey University...

http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1680449212&ta rgetid=profile

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All the reports i kept hearing seemed to suggest the french police were stalling and the fact they didnt find the 4yr old alive beneath the womens body for 8 hours suggests they deliberately were holding back.
Would it be normal in such a case to leave the corpses for that long--perhaps the police were concerned about boobytrap or something.

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I get the strong impression this chap has been killed because he knew something and was talking about it.
He was working for Surrey Satellites.
Did anyone else hear the coverage today that one of his neighbours had a 'strange conversation' with the dead man? Not clear if it was face-to-face before he left on holiday or on the phone more recently.
The neighbour felt he could not repeat it even off the record to the BBC reporter because it 'might be libelous'?
Was that a bit of advice, or a veiled threat, the police gave him?
I get the impression that the authorities - IE military and the police know a lot more about what this chap was killed for than they are letting on.

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Looks like the cyclist etc were simply shot to kill any witnesses
A hit man paid through one of those numbered Swiss bank accounts?

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http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/shootings-in-france/

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The Daily Mail is reporting that Saad Al-Hilli was under "constant surveillance" by officers apparently working for Special Branch:

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Here's more relevant information, from another Daily Mail article:

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Certainly sounds that higher powers may have been delaying normal French Investigations. The French police spokesman sounded pretty vague about not finding the little girl as if he couldnt give the real reason.

Yes Tony -- I heard the neighbour say he had some info gained from a conversation with Al Hilli that he didnt want to say on air.

The car may have parked up to allow the other girl to go for a wee in the wood as it didnt look like a nice place just to park for the view and she comes running back when she hears shooting.

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Independent today saying each victim shot three times in the head
BBC saying each victim shot twice in the head
Someone is lying
Stories changing
Clearly a professional assassination.

Also interesting that the police immediately put out bogus story about his brother being in a feud.
More evidence they have something to hide.
More UK Intelligence dirty tricks if you ask me.
If the police really wanted public help with finding the murderer they would tell the truth.

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Rather tenuous i know but if my memory serves me correct wasnt the GCHQ guy Gareth Williams (comminications officer) whose body found in a holdall planning a cycling holiday? and also had £10k worth of climbing gear in his flat.(as well as the womens clothing)

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The Mail on Sunday can reveal that Mr Al-Hilli was part of a team involved in an undisclosed project linked to European Aeronautic Defence and Space (EADS) – a pan-European defence giant which has contracts with Russia, China and the Foreign Office.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200600/French-Alps-murder-Let ter-shows-animosity-victim-brother.html


Mr Al-Hilli worked on map-making satellites, such as this one, police have discovered that the engineer was working on a secret contract for one of Europe's biggest defence companies

What is this 'mapping' satellite company really all about?
Clearly not a million miles from tracking and targeting for drones or even satellite based weapons now is it?
MI6 & or NATO/Israeli allies purging or exterminating anyone with a conscience who might go to the press & dob in some war criminals?
Yes and some of the EADS defence partners may have done the 'job' hiring some ex soldiers for the hit?
The frightening thing about this is they can plan such a kill with the knowledge that there will be little or no press or judicial scrutiny or accountability.
NATO killing their own again.
All under cover of a lawless European regime covered with bs about 'national security'.
The black shirts again & board room pin stripe Nazis.

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The BBC has quoted veteran French journalist Alain Hamon, who specialises in policing and terrorism, criticizing the official response to the shootings. Hamon pointed out: "There is a very important regional forensics team based in Lyon, one hour's drive from Chevaline. Why wasn't it sent to at least carry out preliminary investigations?" (Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19515940)

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Cyclists still bothering me. If as suggested the killer(s) were in a car. At what point were they keeping tabs on Mr Al-hili-they wouldnt know when or what time that Mr Al hili and his family would leave campsite. Maybe a bit risky to be sitting around waiting in a number plated vehicle for an unknown period of time, and a bit risky camping on the same site. However a cyclist keeping tabs would be far less suspicious and would only need make a phone call to say Mr Al hili had left and which direction. Cant think the killer(s) wuld just lie in wait hoping they would pass by. The deceased were probably under surveillanc by killers all way from UK. In which case there should be lots of cctv evidence of the BMW and maybe being followed by another vehicle in more than one cctv clip.

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More police codswallop trying to throw public & press off the scent - planting evidence?
Bomb squad leaves home of Alps massacre family after police discovered 'concerning' items
Police cordon off road in Claygate, Surrey and evacuate neighbours
Items 'of concern' have prompted the dramatic cordon
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200943/Alps-massacre-Bomb-squ ad-leaves-home-Alps-massacre-family-police-discovered-concerning-items .html

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http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/the-al-hilli-conundrum/

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We now have a French hiker in the picture who claims he met the British Cyclist speeding away from the crime scene who told him in pigeon French there had been a bad drama ahead.

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More on the hiker-- now accompanied by 2 friends (different source).

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RAF Officer Cyclist to remain anonymous unlike the french hiker.

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Al-Hilli's employers EADS announced today they are due to merge with high-profit global butchers & destroyers of British Aircraft Industry BAE Systems

BAE and EADS in merger talks to create aerospace giant
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/09/12/uk-eads-baesystems-idUKBRE88B 11L20120912
"On the face of it this will create one of the largest aerospace and defence organisations on the planet, depending on how much they have to spin out to get this past regulators," said Guy Anderson, Senior Principal Analyst, IHS Jane's Defence Industry....
The merged company would supply a range of products from the Airbus commercial jets such as the A380 superjumbo and its A400M military transporters to the BAE-made Tornado fighter jets and its Astute-class nuclear-powered submarines.
The two companies have a long history of collaboration and are partners in a number of projects, including the Eurofighter and the European MBDA missile joint venture. A deal would also bring BAE back into having a direct interest in Airbus and the France-based planemaker's British plants, having sold its 20 percent stake in 2006.

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And the closest EADS office to the incident just south of Lyon is their Airbus office..

Just wondering why the RAF officer would smash car window to turn engine off and also say he put girl in recovery position. . Is he trying to explain why he might have her DNA on him and perhaps fragments of glass--- both of which the killer may have. The 7 year olds testimony could be very interesting especially if she mentions cyclists and english voice. Lets hope they guard her very well.

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Craig does it again


Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/the-al-hilli-conundrum

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-b ombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.

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Craig Murray again...

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Huffington Post

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2217000/Alps-murders-Saad-al-H illi-family-shot-dead-near-Chevaline-shortage-theories.html

Was Mossad behind the Alps murders? There is no shortage of theories over the slaughter of a Surrey family... but could there be a more sinister explanation?

By DAVID JONES

PUBLISHED: 00:26, 13 October 2012 | UPDATED: 15:19, 13 October 2012

The house that once echoed to the giggles of two bright, fun-loving little girls is silent now. The cream curtains are tightly drawn, the Home Counties-Tudor facade needs painting, and the lawn — freshly mowed just before the family left for their caravanning holiday — is overgrown and sprinkled with withered bouquets. In the French Alps, time has also moved on. Bathed in glorious sunshine on the September afternoon when Saad al-Hilli and his wife Iqbal went for that fateful drive with their young daughters and their grandmother, this week the peaks were eclipsed by heavy autumnal rain.

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Merely examining his CV suggests they can’t be ruled out, for his engineering acumen —much of it self-taught — has taken him into sensitive establishments, including the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory nuclear research department in Oxfordshire, where he reportedly worked in the Eighties. If we accept the wisdom of expert colleagues, however, he was a never more than a small cog in any wheel, and information to which he was privy could be found on the internet. ‘He worked on Airbus, radiation equipment to kill cancer, and lately on satellite systems; but as far as I know he never worked on any top-secret projects,’ says Gary Aked, who spent four years at the Atomic Weapons Establishment in Aldermaston. Several years ago, though, when visiting his friend for dinner, Mr Aked did see something that may prove to be of great significance. Mr al-Hilli took him to the study, showed him a bank of four desk-top computers, plus a laptop, and told him how he used them to air his stridently anti-Israeli views in Arab chatrooms. ‘Saad was a very passionate guy and this was something that concerned him,’ he says. ‘He thought the Jews were taking over America and the world, and tried to get me interested in a book about the atrocities committed by the United States on Arabs.’ After 9/11, he recalls, his views became still more extreme. In one breath he would say it was ‘pay-back time’; in the next he would venture that Israel had blown up the Twin Towers to provoke the U.S. into waging war on the Arab world. All of which brings us to the theory advanced by a respected Middle East security analyst, who declined to be named. He believes the al-Hillis and the French cyclist could have been conspirators in a plot to supply nuclear material to Iran — and been eliminated by state-sponsored Israeli assassins. At first blush, this may sound the stuff of conspiracy theorists and spy thriller writers. But one commentator who thinks it is plausible is Roger Howard, author of several authoritative books on Middle Eastern affairs, the next of which will examine a chilling assassination programme carried out on European soil by the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad. Though the French police have declared themselves open to the possibility that Sylvain Mollier, not Mr al-Hilli, was the intended victim, no one has openly suggested that they might have been associates, and therefore jointly targeted. Mollier was not merely a keen mountain bike rider. He held a senior post with Cezus, a company based in the nearby small town of Ugine and owned by Areva, the giant multi-national that leads the way in the research and development of nuclear power. A spokesman told us he had been employed for many years as a senior production manager specialising in nuclear fuel cladding made from zirconium — one of the metals Iran wishes to amass for its feared nuclear programme. ‘Iran is unable to produce certain key materials and metals that are critical to its nuclear and ballistic missiles programmes,’ says Mark Fitzpatrick, of the IISS defence think-tank. ‘Export controls and sanctions have made it difficult to procure them, but Iranian agents are trying to exploit black-market niches — and access to advanced research and development work on specialty metals will help advance Iranian [nuclear] capabilities.’ Sylvain Mollier undoubtedly enjoyed such access, and given his professional contacts, Mr al-Hilli would surely have known where to find him. The Iraqi Shia Muslim would also have been aware of the Frenchman’s potential value to a cash-rich Middle Eastern power — though, as Roger Howard says, given the hatred he vented towards Israel in those chatrooms, money may not have been his motive. Just supposing al-Hilli’s hastily-arranged family holiday was a cover for a meeting with Mollier, the reason why he had stashed up to £1 million in a secret bank account, 40 miles away in Geneva, would begin to make sense.

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http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/alps_shootings_photos_show_relaxe d_family

This was in an article about "How relaxed" the family looked on holiday snaps taken half hour before the killings--which in itself seems a pointless article--

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Not connected with the Alps murder--according to police

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20323190

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