Don't be tempted

[kbo234]

To Repeat what Andrew Johnson said:

"Don't feed the trolls". As much as you might feel tempted by their provocative rubbish. Remember, they are paid scum and they are here to disrupt the site.

Only the intelligence services want to throw spanners in our works. Ordinary people who believe the government narrative have absolutely no motive to come here and attack this site. Their thinking is fully represented in the media they see every day. The curious might come for a look. They will not be armed with every last detail and angle of disinfo like these trolls.
The trolls are mostly here to stop these people taking any of the evidence that has been kept out of the public domain seriously.

Let them start their own threads. Don't argue with them. If you feel tempted just find some new info (or something) and start a new thread of your own.

[scar]

I totally agree of course but sometimes i just cant help it.
Im hiding my feedbag from now on.

[scubadiver]

You are quite right!

Any kind of pursuasion is a waste of time.

[insidejob]

kbo234 is right. An interested member of the public would not spend time challenging the 911 sceptics.

The critics on this site are:
i. traditional marxists who are members of revolutionary parties and regard NWO conspiracy theories as a rival;
ii. people who are ideologically and economically committed to the institutions the site attacks (i.e. the opposite of us) - these are 'freelancers' who are doing their own thing and are angry at people slagging off what they do for a living e.g. police officers, New Labour activists, Republican Party members, Zionists;
iii. paid individuals who are knowingly or unknowingly working for the criminal cabal.

Most people in group i. or ii. would eventually reveal their identity although some in group ii. may be too embarassed to do so. Some people on the Left argue that the ruling class deliberately advance hoax conspiracy theories to get people to spend their time chasing nothing i.e. conspiracy theories are part of a conspiracy. But if they are group iii., what's their objective?

Possible options:
i. to take up sceptics' time;
ii. emotionally batter sceptics so they get fed up;
iii. undermine sceptics' perspective so that they get fed up;
iv. make sceptics' website look bad by filling it up with people rowing and put off potential newcomers;
v. create splits in movements (the late Gerry Healey, leader of the Workers Revolutionary Party was an MI5 asset).

insidejob

[Sinclair]

insidejob , your analysis is spot on & I agree guys, DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS - I have tried to be restrained but as scar says, sometimes I just can't help it.

Their shallowness & selective addressing of points is frustrating & I do not want any lurking interested members of the public to get the wrong impression.

I am not against reasoned argument & in a way, valid criticism can hone/focus our arguments , howver the mendacity of the critics in their selective answering of valid questions/subjects and their refusal to acknowledge that there are huge amounts of anomalous details with the Official (Conspiracy) Theory, belies their purported ‘quest for the truth’.

My question to the critics, if there “was ANY aspect of the Official (Conspiracy) Theory that they disagreed with or found anomalous went silently unanswered….

Anyone with a modicum of analytical abilities can see through the lies of the Official (Conspiracy) Theory.

I have offered up (in the Critics Corner) a piece for them to try & argue against. It is from Jeff Wells (Rigorous Intuition) The Coincidence Theorists Guide to 9/11. ‘This was one of the first articles that made me sit up, join the visible dots of 911 and realise that things ‘ain’t right’. It is a very powerful article (I have posted links to it a few times here) and one very worthy of forwarding on to undecideds.

There are people who ‘Don’t want to know about 911’ because it shatters their concept of ‘How Things Are’, and they feel uncomfortable with such a concept; however these critics have gone to the effort of joining this forum and are attempting to argue the toss with the 911 truth seekers here who have researched the subject for years.

Something is fishy.

If they get any more obfuscating, I say ban ‘em

[Andrew Johnson]

An alternative approach is "feeding them to the lions". I did my best with them - and I think when I turned the Humour Heat up, they were, basically "all at sea" and displayed their inhumanity for all to see. And that takes training, if you ask me.

[gypsum]

I don't mind a bit of debate, but when idiots like Jay Ref continually avoid something by posting a response like this -

[blackcat]

They should not be allowed here. The mainstream media tolerates little mention of 9/11 truth and ridicules and harrasses when it can. This site should be where curious people can read an alternative view and perhaps reach a different conclusion which is the aim of this movement. Truth!!

When a troll posts bunkum there must be many visitors who switch off instead of getting the alternative view. That is the only reason I respond to the lies and distortions they post. I do it in the hope a visitor will not be misled by the tripe they spout. Ban them fully and they won't be able to obfuscate and mislead.

[xmasdale]

[blackcat]

[Jay Ref]

[Leiff]

I vote for banning them - they are a waste of space and storage. They haven't even got the decency to stay in their designated area!

[Jay Ref]

[Sinclair]

[Snowygrouch]

how DARE you all say such things.

JREF is my best source of amusement on this site and his absence would be highly detrimental to my on line enjoyment.

His arguments are one of the 9/11 truth movements BEST bedrocks of progress, without showing the sort of people who support the 9/11 Commission we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

I vote we make JREF & co honorary board members of the 9/11 truth movement for their steadfast work in illustrating the absurdity of supporting the findings of the 9/11 Commission.

Theyre posts have added weight to our cause beyond all reckoning and we should embrace their opinions as they are a graphic illustration of the mindset required to doubt our cause!

All sing together now!

"Yayyyyyy!"

"VOTE FOR JAY"

"Yay for JAY!
He`s our MAN
If he can't convince em
No one CAN!"
(repeat as required until everyone on earth votes to impeach Bush)

[DeFecToR]

[xmasdale]

[paul wright]

[DeFecToR]

[TimmyG]

sounds about right!

nice one dh

[Andrew Johnson]

Well said SnowyG,

We must be making at least some progress if the Troll count is rising!

Looks like they've gone for a snifter just now though... Night shift starts soon!

[Johnny Pixels]

Yes, I suggest you avoid talking to critics. That way you can avoid any kind of conflict, and you'll always be right. Ignore any kind of facts or reasoning, or logic even, because they all get in the way.

You might want to ask yourself how the theory developed though, because you seem to be adding to it all the time, and not disposing of any of the bits that don't work. It seems that Everything fits. Isn't that a little strange? Pretty much every idea that comes up gets added to the theory. No-one gets told that their idea is stupid, it just goes on the pile with the rest. Even the no plane theory gets accepted in part, because you have video evidence of the WTC planes, but everything else just gets accepted. Why is that? Why is nothing turned down?

[Johnny Pixels]

There's only really me and Jay Ref who post here. If you can't handle two guys, what chance do you have against the scientific and engineering community?

[paul wright]

Trouble is you've been found out
Honest guys from the scientific and engineering community have only their livelihoods at stake
Not their belief systems if they believe something different

[Sinclair]

[Snowygrouch]

I`m loosing my patience here.
I just suggested we appoint all critics to our board of directors and dont ban anyone.

As for ignore the engineering comminity, well you obviously ignored my profile as I`m an undergraduate mechanical engineer in Oxford. I am part of the engineering establishment and am willing to take head on ANY challenge you or anyone else can provide on any mathematical basis (your treading on thin ice there as my maths score was 95% last semester).

So BRING IT ON!

Give me your best and I`ll confidently cut you both to shreds using materials science, logic, mathematics and physics before your fingers have finished typing.

Come on and HIT ME!!

[Johnny Pixels]

[The Watcher]

Before wasting any more time & energy, I would encourage all those who are getting frustrated with the circular BS of JP & JR, to review the following post:

www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=16326#16326

If you wish to engage with these pathetic Bush/Cheney apologists, feel free to do so. It could certainly be argued that by keeping these low level grunts tied up on www.nineeleven.com does at least prevent them from taking a more direct role in Uncle Sam's hegemonic agenda.

However, my counsel would be to treat them with some sympathy as they are but pathetic patsies in the wider scheme. Who knows, there continued participation on this forum might even open their eyes to the nonsense that they have been fed for the past five years...but I won't be holding my breath!

The Watcher

[Johnny Pixels]

[IronSnot]