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Snowygrouch
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It`s supposed to be funny.
And whats more........it was. 
You ever watch Blackadder?
(Hint: I`m starting off easy, trying to give you a head start to come up with some form of valid point of disussion. Geddit?)
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Jay Ref, I'm not going to pan out the thread as you do quoting previous posts that everyone can read upthread, suffice to say that your referenced, linked, sourced, analytical counter-arguments are a testament to you!
| Quote: | | Already done...Research complete |
Well, let's see your investigation then!
| Quote: | | So post Sibel Edmunds' evidence |
There would be a lot more of Sibel Edmonds evidence if she had not had a State Secrets Privilege.gagging order enforced upon her since 2002. A State Secrets Privilege order allows the US federal government the ability to dismiss legal cases that it claims would threaten foreign policy, military intelligence or national security.. (The US Justice Department describes this tactic as an "absolute privilege" — in effect, a neutron bomb that leaves no plaintiff standing.) Sibel Edmonds is the most gagged person in US history, after only being hired, as a contractor, to work as an interpreter in the translations unit of the FBI from 20th September 2001 until her dismissal on 22nd March 2002.
If she was just a conspiracy theorist rambler, why then would the US government feel the need to silence her with a series of powerful government tools.
From the Wikipedia article on Sibel Edmonds, you can find a host of External links e.g.:
[list=]Interview with Alex Jones regarding 9/11 Truth Movement views.
DemocracyNow.com - 'Did Speaker Hastert Accept Turkish Bribes to Deny Armenian Genocide and Approve Weapons Sales?' (transcript: Sibel Edmonds and David Rose interviewed by Amy Goodman, August 10, 2005)
WeekendInterviewShow.com - Scott Horton interviews with Sibel Edmonds on his Weekend Interview Show.
Download MP3 - MP3 stream of Scott Horton interview with Sibel Edmonds (August 13, 2005)
Download MP3 - MP3 stream of Scott Horton interview with Sibel Edmonds (January 22, 2005)
Download MP3 - MP3 stream of Scott Horton interview with Sibel Edmonds and Dr. Frederic Whitehurst (October 23, 2004)
Downloadable audio interview with Scott Horton
Anti-War.com - Chris Deliso interviews with Sibel Edmonds.
Transcript - 'The Stakes Are Too High for Us to Stop Fighting Now' - Chris Deliso's interview with Sibel Demonds (August 15, 2005)
Transcript - Chris Deliso's interview with Sibel Demonds (July 1, 2004)
Antiwar.com - Edmond's article archive
Vanity Fair - 'An Inconvenient Patriot', David Rose, September, 2005)
Frog Style Biscuit Judge With Secret Financials In Charge of Bush-Linked Court Cases
wotisitgood4.blogspot 'Sibel Edmonds, Brewster Jennings, Edelman and Grossman'
JustACitizen.com - Home page of Sibel Edmonds
JustACitizen.com - 'Gagged, But Not Dead', Sibel Edmonds (May 14, 2005)
JustACitizen.com - 'FBI & 9/11', Sibel Edmonds (June 20, 2005)
NSWBC.org - 'National Security Whistleblowers Coalition' (founder and president: Sibel Edmonds)
Rising-hegemon.blogspot.com - 'Let Sibel Edmonds Speak'
SimplyAppalling.blogspot.com - 'The whistleblower and the kangaroo court' (April 26, 2005)
USNews.com - 'National Security Watch: FBI whistle-blower petitions high court', US News and World Report (August 5, 2005)
SirDave.com - This page has tons of external links for Sibel Edmonds.[/list]
There is also a good article here http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2005/12/sibel-edmonds-brewster-jennin gs_28.html, written by someone who has conversed with Sibel Edmonds & who has researched the questions:
1) what is Sibel claiming?
2) does she have any credibility?
3) who does she suggest is involved?
4) who fits that profile?
Note that by now Jay Ref, I'm not expecting you to follow any of these links and research the subjects for yourself - you have already shown your disinclination to do so and this, together with your unreferenced arguments, reflects upon you, for all to see. |
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DeFecToR
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As for the rest of your post, I am not scared of the facts of 9/11 as much as you are. You are scared because there are people who hate you for being you, and no other reason. You find this hard to accept, because there is no logic behind their hatred. By shifting the blame on the government, and making it political you think that you can understand and control the danger. That's why you call for inverstigations, and criminal charges, because the people you shift the blame to are accountable to such things. What scares you is that the people who carried out 9/11, the fanatics, Osama Bin Ladens of this world, do not even care if they live or die. You have trouble dealing with that because they are not accountable to any law. There is no punishment for them, for even the ultimate punishment, death, does not scare them.
I will agree with you when you say something that is correct, but the truth movement has yet to do that. |
A typically moronic statement.
Let me spell this out slowly so you might get it.
| Quote: | | You are scared because there are people who hate you for being you, and no other reason. |
Idiot.
There are religious fanatics around the world who hate me and you NOT for no reason, but because of our governments support and involvement in horribly unjust and dispicable crimes carried out around the world.
For you to think that fundamentalists hate "for no reason" really does betray your knowledge of present day geo-politics.
| Quote: | | By shifting the blame on the government, and making it political you think that you can understand and control the danger. |
You are an unbelievable idiot. How on earth do i have any control over any situation whether or not it originates from a foregin government or a foreign terrorist organisation? All i can do is examine what i see and judge accordingly.
| Quote: | | What scares you is that the people who carried out 9/11, the fanatics, Osama Bin Ladens of this world, do not even care if they live or die. |
God. Total idiot.
I started out believing that BL did 911, moron. I was so angry that i would have authorised anything, which was precisely what the planners of 911 wanted. When i became aware of 911's real nature as a false flag operation, THEN i became scared. I couldnt give two damns about Islamic fundamentalism. I know that on the scale of what is dangerous, i have more chance of being killed by toothpaste than by terrorists. What frightens the living hell out of me is the thought that the governments we trust have so little compassion to the point where they are willing to attack their own people if they feel it will further their objectives. I found that utterly terrifying for a long time until i decided i had no choice but to fight it anyway.
For you to think that i am secretly scared of demonic arabs yet again betrays your absolute inability to understand situations.
No, it sounds to me like YOU are still looking under the bed for little brown men.
Grow up JP. And start thinking for yourself.
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Idiot.
There are religious fanatics around the world who hate me and you NOT for no reason, but because of our governments support and involvement in horribly unjust and dispicable crimes carried out around the world.
For you to think that fundamentalists hate "for no reason" really does betray your knowledge of present day geo-politics.
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Oh that's quite hilarious. They want to kill you because you are not of their religion. You are an infidel. A non-believer. They don't care about your government. They are mistaken about their own religion, true. The overwhelming majority of muslims are peaceful, but there are groups who are not. The Taliban destroyed two very important statues of Buddha. Why? Because the Buddhists governments of this world were commiting crimes against them? No, because their religious fanaticism would not allow them to accept another religion in their country. Why do suicide bombers always have a copy of the Koran and recite verses from it in their videos if they are acting due to political motives?
This just highlights how you misunderestimate the whole situation. They want to destroy you.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | By shifting the blame on the government, and making it political you think that you can understand and control the danger. |
You are an unbelievable idiot. How on earth do i have any control over any situation whether or not it originates from a foregin government or a foreign terrorist organisation? All i can do is examine what i see and judge accordingly. |
You can vote a government out of office. They are subject to laws and punishments. You can't do the same to a suicide bomber. He wants to die, and take you with him. He doesn't care for laws, or political processes.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | What scares you is that the people who carried out 9/11, the fanatics, Osama Bin Ladens of this world, do not even care if they live or die. |
God. Total idiot.
I started out believing that BL did 911, moron. I was so angry that i would have authorised anything, which was precisely what the planners of 911 wanted. When i became aware of 911's real nature as a false flag operation, THEN i became scared. I couldnt give two damns about Islamic fundamentalism. I know that on the scale of what is dangerous, i have more chance of being killed by toothpaste than by terrorists. What frightens the living hell out of me is the thought that the governments we trust have so little compassion to the point where they are willing to attack their own people if they feel it will further their objectives. I found that utterly terrifying for a long time until i decided i had no choice but to fight it anyway.
For you to think that i am secretly scared of demonic arabs yet again betrays your absolute inability to understand situations. |
No, it sounds to me like YOU are still looking under the bed for little brown men.
Grow up JP. And start thinking for yourself.[/quote]
Ok, you angry now because you think you've been betrayed. Read up on some facts and prepared to be angry at the 9/11 denial movement, because they're the ones lying to you. They're the ones with no compassion. |
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| Sinclair wrote: | Johnny Pixels wrote: | Quote: | | why bring it up? Distraction. |
hey Johnny,
You are still only on point A.
Move along now please..............
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| Quote: | | Strange, I thought they were all related to 9/11, and now, magically, we can skip a few to the ones that are related? So what you're saying is, argument A, is not related to 9/11? Isn't that what I said and you disagreed with me? |
i never said Point A was unrelated.
C'mon Johnny, stop trying to twist my words. Deal with the subject of the points.
Frustrating, isn't it Johnny?! |
Sorry no, we're not moving along because you've not shown how point A is anything to do with 9/11.
So how is the fact that governments can be corrupt proof that 9/11 was an inside job?
We're not moving off point A until you can show that it is both relevant to 9/11 and truthful. You've done neither yet. |
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| Quote: | | We're not moving off point A until you can show that it is both relevant to 9/11 and truthful. You've done neither yet. |
Johnny P,
let's see what you are not 'moving off'...
A. That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.
JP, have you researched the links? Yes/No?
It's a sarcastic sort of statement. It is undeniable that governments have been involved as described. So it's truthful. If you think not - present some references/links.....
It is also relevant to 9/11, because the precedent of false flag ops has been set.
One of the main reactions when people are confronted with 911 truth is:
The (US) government would never kill their own citizens like that. Well Point A is relevant because it cites that governments HAVE INDEED carried out such actions previously. From upthread:
As one participant in this formerly-secret program Operation Gladio stated:
"You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security."
So it is relevant Johnny, as the precedent of false flag ops has been previously set, prior to 911.
Anything else you want to add, or can you (plural) now move along now please.............. |
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| Sinclair wrote: | | Quote: | | We're not moving off point A until you can show that it is both relevant to 9/11 and truthful. You've done neither yet. |
Johnny P,
let's see what you are not 'moving off'...
A. That governments have permitted terrorist acts against their own people, and have even themselves been perpetrators in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.
JP, have you researched the links? Yes/No?
It's a sarcastic sort of statement. It is undeniable that governments have been involved as described. So it's truthful. If you think not - present some references/links.....
It is also relevant to 9/11, because the precedent of false flag ops has been set.
One of the main reactions when people are confronted with 911 truth is:
The (US) government would never kill their own citizens like that. Well Point A is relevant because it cites that governments HAVE INDEED carried out such actions previously. From upthread:
As one participant in this formerly-secret program Operation Gladio stated:
"You had to attack civilians, people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security."
So it is relevant Johnny, as the precedent of false flag ops has been previously set, prior to 911.
Anything else you want to add, or can you (plural) now move along now please.............. |
That doesn't make 9/11 a false flag op though does it? None of those links relate to 9/11. The only link to the US is Operation Northwoods, and that was rejected, and released to the public. That suggests that other countries are corrupt, but the US rejected false flag ops. You're really not proving much here. |
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| Quote: | | other countries are corrupt, but the US rejected false flag ops. |
JP, Your cover as any sort of tangible forum contributer is blown - you are well exposed now. You have not provided any references or links , rather just spouted obsfuscating circular statements leading nowhere. & to try & suggest that the US has/had rejected False Flag Ops is laughable.....
Why don't you see the HR guy at Rendon for other opportunities/vacancies..... or if you're not with them now, I hear they are on the headhunt, although your references are sh*t*.....literally
Have you heard of Rendon?? YES/NO?
Operating, I put to you, as private false flag/information warriors, the Rendon Group is a secretive public relations firm that has assisted a number of U.S. military interventions in nations including Argentina, Colombia, Haiti, Iraq, Kosovo, Panama and Zimbabwe. Rendon's activities include organizing the Iraqi National Congress, a PR front group designed to foment the overthrow of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.
In a 1998 speech to the National Security Conference (NSC), company founder John Rendon described himself as "an information warrior, and a perception manager. This is probably best described in the words of Hunter S. Thompson, when he wrote 'When things turn weird, the weird turn pro.'"
The Rendon Group has garnered more than $56 million in Pentagon work since September 2001. Source Wikipedia
Did they not teach you that the history of OSS/CIA US clandestine/illegal interventions contains many false flag operations...
A full list is of all US interventions is here: http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/history/interventions.htm, but I've pasted those operations since the end of WW2:
1946-1949 China Major US army presence of about 100,000 troops, fighting, training and advising local combatants.
1947-1949 Greece US forces wage a 3-year counterinsurgency campaign.
1948 Italy Heavy CIA involvement in national elections.
1948-1954 Philippines Commando operations, "secret" CIA war.
1950-1953 Korea Major forces engaged in war in Korean peninsula.
1953 Iran CIA overthrows government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh.
New York Times Special Report: The CIA in Iran
1954 Vietnam Financial and materiel support for colonial French military operations, leads eventually to direct US military involvement.
1954 Guatemala CIA overthrows the government of President Jacobo Arbenz Guzman.
1958 Lebanon US marines and army units totaling 14,000 land.
1958 Panama Clashes between US forces in Canal Zone and local citizens.
1959 Haiti Marines land.
1960 Congo CIA-backed overthrow and assassination of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba.
1960-1964 Vietnam Gradual introduction of military advisors and special forces.
1961 Cuba CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion.
1962 Cuba Nuclear threat and naval blockade.
1962 Laos CIA-backed military coup.
1963 Ecuador CIA backs military overthrow of President Jose Maria Valesco Ibarra.
1964 Panama Clashes between US forces in Canal Zone and local citizens.
1964 Brazil CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government of Joao Goulart and Gen. Castello Branco takes power.
The National Security Archive: Brazil Marks 40th Anniversary of Military Coup
1965-1975 Vietnam Large commitment of military forces, including air, naval and ground units numbering up to 500,000+ troops. Full-scale war, lasting for ten years.
1965 Indonesia CIA-backed army coup overthrows President Sukarno and brings Gen. Suharto to power.
1965 Congo CIA backed military coup overthrows President Joseph Kasavubu and brings Joseph Mobutu to power.
1965 Dominican Republic 23,000 troops land.
1965-1973 Laos Bombing campaign begin, lasting eight years.
1966 Ghana CIA-backed military coup ousts President Kwame Nkrumah.
1966-1967 Guatemala Extensive counter-insurgency operation.
1969-1975 Cambodia CIA supports military coup against Prince Sihanouk, bringing Lon Nol to power. Intensive bombing for seven years along border with Vietnam.
1970 Oman Counter-insurgency operation, including coordination with Iranian marine invasion.
1971-1973 Laos Invasion by US and South Vietnames forces.
1973 Chile CIA-backed military coup ousts government of President Salvador Allende. Gen. Augusto Pinochet comes to power.
1975 Cambodia Marines land, engage in combat with government forces.
1976-1992 Angola Military and CIA operations.
1980 Iran Special operations units land in Iranian desert. Helicopter malfunction leads to aborting of planned raid.
1981 Libya Naval jets shoot down two Libyan jets in maneuvers over the Mediterranean.
1981-1992 El Salvador CIA and special forces begin a long counterinsurgency campaign.
1981-1990 Nicaragua CIA directs exile "Contra" operations. US air units drop sea mines in harbors.
1982-1984 Lebanon Marines land and naval forces fire on local combatants.
1983 Grenada Military forces invade Grenada.
1983-1989 Honduras Large program of military assistance aimed at conflict in Nicaragua.
1984 Iran Two Iranian jets shot down over the Persian Gulf.
1986 Libya US aircraft bomb the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, including direct strikes at the official residence of President Muamar al Qadaffi.
1986 Bolivia Special Forces units engage in counter-insurgency.
1987-1988 Iran Naval forces block Iranian shipping. Civilian airliner shot down by missile cruiser.
1989 Libya Naval aircraft shoot down two Libyan jets over Gulf of Sidra.
1989 Philippines CIA and Special Forces involved in counterinsurgency.
1989-1990 Panama 27,000 troops as well as naval and air power used to overthrow government of President Noriega.
1990 Liberia Troops deployed.
1990-1991 Iraq Major military operation, including naval blockade, air strikes; large number of troops attack Iraqi forces in occupied Kuwait.
1991-2003 Iraq Control of Iraqi airspace in north and south of the country with periodic attacks on air and ground targets.
1991 Haiti CIA-backed military coup ousts President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
1992-1994 Somalia Special operations forces intervene.
1992-1994 Yugoslavia Major role in NATO blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
1993-1995 Bosnia Active military involvement with air and ground forces.
1994-1996 Haiti Troops depose military rulers and restore President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to office.
1995 Croatia Krajina Serb airfields attacked.
1996-1997 Zaire (Congo) Marines involved in operations in eastern region of the country.
1997 Liberia Troops deployed.
1998 Sudan Air strikes destroy country's major pharmaceutical plant.
1998 Afghanistan Attack on targets in the country.
1998 Iraq Four days of intensive air and missile strikes.
1999 Yugoslavia Major involvement in NATO air strikes.
2001 Macedonia NATO troops shift and partially disarm Albanian rebels.
2001 Afghanistan Air attacks and ground operations oust Taliban government and install a new regime.
2003 Iraq Invasion with large ground, air and naval forces ousts government of Saddam Hussein and establishes new government.
2003-present Iraq Occupation force of 150,000 troops in protracted counter-insurgency war
2004 Haiti Marines land. CIA-backed forces overthrow President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
I could go on, but it's late.
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | That suggests that other countries are corrupt, but the US rejected false flag ops. |
That is very naive. False flag ops are their bread and butter. From Vietnam to Cuba to Nicaragua to Greece to Italy and in all likelihood the UK and now to the 'homeland'. |
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| IronSnot wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | That suggests that other countries are corrupt, but the US rejected false flag ops. |
That is very naive. False flag ops are their bread and butter. From Vietnam to Cuba to Nicaragua to Greece to Italy and in all likelihood the UK and now to the 'homeland'. |
That's what it says though. It shows other corrupt countries, and then the US rejected Northwoods. That looks like the US is squeaky clean. Might not want to use that one to try to prove 9/11 was an inside job. |
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Oh that's quite hilarious. They want to kill you because you are not of their religion. You are an infidel. A non-believer. They don't care about your government. They are mistaken about their own religion, true. The overwhelming majority of muslims are peaceful, but there are groups who are not. The Taliban destroyed two very important statues of Buddha. Why? Because the Buddhists governments of this world were commiting crimes against them? No, because their religious fanaticism would not allow them to accept another religion in their country. Why do suicide bombers always have a copy of the Koran and recite verses from it in their videos if they are acting due to political motives?
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You are breathtakingly stupid. Arab and muslim discontent found an outlet with religious fundamentalism. Hatred of western poilicies in the middle-east is what turns moderate muslims in to hardline fanatics. It is not some natural inbred ideology. It needs to have an origin you idiot.
Either way, your point is moot because i couldnt care less about the 'threat' posed by religious fundamentalism because i know how it has been created and hyped in our own countries. Please, stop trying to second guess my emotions and motives as you are making yourself appear mind-numbingly stupid.
I fear the stupidity and stuborness of pricks like you more than i do any terrorist organisation. I live in Northern Ireland you pathetic fool. I know a little about how terrorist organisations are created by reactionary politics and desparation at social injustice. For you to claim that when i say i hate the government for carrying out false flags i am actually scared of muslims but wont admit it, is the equivalent of saying that catholics over here hated the british government but were secretly scared of the IRA.
Your entire point in this arguement betrays YOUR fear at muslim fundamentalism, and your laughable attempts at trying to paint me with the same ill concieved logic that you exibit is really showing just how much you have bought the spin that AAAYYY RAABS are gonnagetcha.
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This just highlights how you misunderestimate the whole situation. They want to destroy you.
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Fanatics all over the world want to destroy me. So? Does that mean i should be scared? Well hate to point this out but OUR OWN governments are responable for creating that very fundamentalism. So who should i be more scared of? The guy with the gun? Or the guy who funded the guy with the gun, trained him how to use the gun and brought him to my door?
Man, the more i think about this the funnier it is. Yeh, i should be afraid of an old man in a cave, whos probably already dead, but if is alive, is on kidney dialysis?
Man that is dumb. My government has the legal authority to throw me in jail indefinately, declare me as psycologically disturbed and put me on indefinate medication ALL without EVER having been signed off by a doctor.
I can be deported to a foreign country without any evidence needing to be provided.
I can have all my phone, email and mobile conversations taped without my knowledge.
I can have my entire lifes history collected and abused by my own government.
Myself and my family will soon have to present ID cards when asked like some fukcing 1950's nazi movie.
My freedom to speak out at the injustices i see around me has been taken away from me.
We will soon be forced to keep satelite tracking beakons in all our car boots whilst every product we own will be uniquely traced back to me by RFID.
Me AND MY OWN FUKCING KIDS HAVE TO DRINK FUKCING FLOURIDE EVERY DAY.
IM FORCED TO CHECK EVERY FUKCING FOOD LABEL IN EVERY SHOP I GO IN TO TO MAKE SURE I AM NOT FUKCING POISONING MY OWN FAMILY.
And c**nts like you have the balls to tell me what I FUKCING FEEL? Apologist pricks like you TELL ME that i am secretly scared of arabs?
F**K YOU.
I know who my enemy is you complete a**hole. And no matter what you EVER post here i will never give up fighting for the freedom of the people i love.
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You can vote a government out of office. They are subject to laws and punishments.
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Oh yeh. We're having loads of success you prick.
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Ok, you angry now because you think you've been betrayed. Read up on some facts and prepared to be angry at the 9/11 denial movement, because they're the ones lying to you. They're the ones with no compassion. |
Listen. Do us all a favour and stand up for what you believe in. Join the army. Go off to Iraq or Syria or Iran and do what the rest of you bast&rds are doing. Go on, there are plenty of dirty rag head camel nig*ers you can take all your vengence out on. Plenty more 14 year old girls you can rape then set fire to and kill the families of.
I would actually PREFER that you do all that. Just so long as there is a slim chance that you'll be killed while over there.
Go on. Put your money where your mouth is and * off to be killed and leave us all alone.
You are the most sickening type of apologist. Enjoy your place in hell.
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | IronSnot wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | That suggests that other countries are corrupt, but the US rejected false flag ops. |
That is very naive. False flag ops are their bread and butter. From Vietnam to Cuba to Nicaragua to Greece to Italy and in all likelihood the UK and now to the 'homeland'. |
That's what it says though. It shows other corrupt countries, and then the US rejected Northwoods. That looks like the US is squeaky clean. Might not want to use that one to try to prove 9/11 was an inside job. |
The guy who said no to Northwoods got assassinated by the way
Not so squeaky clean, you muppet
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Oh, one other thing you cowardly prick. Have a read of this an tell me that i'm scared of arabs;
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=3063
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Me AND MY OWN FUKCING KIDS HAVE TO DRINK FUKCING FLOURIDE EVERY DAY. |
See now I understand. You are actually paranoid. Flouride is naturally present in ALL water. The average level of flouride in the ocean is greater than the level that flouridation of water results in.
| Quote: | And c**nts like you have the balls to tell me what I FUKCING FEEL? Apologist pricks like you TELL ME that i am secretly scared of arabs?
F**K YOU.
I know who my enemy is you complete a**hole. And no matter what you EVER post here i will never give up fighting for the freedom of the people i love. |
I apologise. You're not scared of arabs. You're just paranoid. Please seek medical attention.
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Listen. Do us all a favour and stand up for what you believe in. |
I do. I'm standing up for the truth. Here.
| Quote: | | Join the army. Go off to Iraq or Syria or Iran and do what the rest of you bast&rds are doing. Go on, there are plenty of dirty rag head camel nig*ers you can take all your vengence out on. Plenty more 14 year old girls you can rape then set fire to and kill the families of. |
When did I say I agreed with any war, or that war was the answer to anything? You accuse me of making assumptions about you, and then you do the same to me. I've never made any claim that I am for or against any war. I came here to talk about 9/11, not what it led to.
| Quote: | I would actually PREFER that you do all that. Just so long as there is a slim chance that you'll be killed while over there.
Go on. Put your money where your mouth is and * off to be killed and leave us all alone. |
You'd like that wouldn't you, because then you could stay here and keep telling yourself that you're right.
| Quote: | | You are the most sickening type of apologist. |
One with facts. Yes, tricky to deal with I know.
| Quote: | | Enjoy your place in hell. |
Unfortunately I'm an atheist, so this doesn't mean much to me. |
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| dh wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | IronSnot wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | That suggests that other countries are corrupt, but the US rejected false flag ops. |
That is very naive. False flag ops are their bread and butter. From Vietnam to Cuba to Nicaragua to Greece to Italy and in all likelihood the UK and now to the 'homeland'. |
That's what it says though. It shows other corrupt countries, and then the US rejected Northwoods. That looks like the US is squeaky clean. Might not want to use that one to try to prove 9/11 was an inside job. |
The guy who said no to Northwoods got assassinated by the way
Not so squeaky clean, you muppet |
JFK got shot by Oswald, who had nothing to do with the government. Please don't start on the JFK thing, it's very old and very boring now. |
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Ok I was wrong, you're not scared of arabs. I apologise. |
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See now I understand. You are actually paranoid. Flouride is naturally present in ALL water. The average level of flouride in the ocean is greater than the level that flouridation of water results in.
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Staggering stupidity.
If the level of flouride in drinking water is higher in the ocean....then....maybe....thats why we DONT FUKCING DRINK OCEAN WATER you complete idiot.
Want to learn something for a change? Have a look at these. Not that you will because you would HATE to be proven wrong. Because you are a coward.
| Quote: | Scientific Facts on the
Biological Effects of Fluorides
1. Fluoride exposure disrupts the synthesis of collagen and leads to the breakdown of collagen in bone, tendon, muscle, skin, cartilage, lungs, kidney and trachea.
A.K. Susheela and Mohan Jha, " Effects of Fluoride on Cortical and Cancellous Bone Composition," IRCS Medical Sciences: Library Compendium, Vol. 9, No.11, pp. 1021-1022 (1981); Y. D. Sharma, " Effect of Sodium Fluoride on Collagen Cross-Link Precursors," Toxicological Letters, Vol. 10, pp. 97-100 (1982); A. K. Susheela and D. Mukerjee, " Fluoride poisoning and the Effect of Collagen Biosynthesis of Osseous and Nonosseous Tissue," Toxicological European Research, Vol. 3, No.2, pp. 99-104 (1981); Y.D. Sharma, " Variations in the Metabolism and Maturation of Collagen after Fluoride Ingestion," Biochemica et Biophysica Acta, Vol. 715, pp. 137-141 (1982); Marian Drozdz et al., " Studies on the Influence of Fluoride Compounds upon Connective Tissue Metabolism in Growing Rats" and "Effect of Sodium Fluoride With and Without Simultaneous Exposure to Hydrogen Fluoride on Collagen Metabolism," Journal of Toxicological Medicine, Vol. 4, pp. 151-157 (1984).
2. Fluoride stimulates granule formation and oxygen consumption in white blood cells, but inhibits these processes when the white blood cell is challenged by a foreign agent in the blood.
Robert A. Clark, " Neutrophil Iodintion Reaction Induced by Fluoride: Implications for Degranulation and Metabolic Activation," Blood, Vol. 57, pp. 913-921 (1981).
3. Fluoride depletes the energy reserves and the ability of white blood cells to properly destroy foreign agents by the process of phagocytosis. As little as 0.2 ppm fluoride stimulates superoxide production in resting white blood cells, virtually abolishing phagocytosis. Even micro-molar amounts of fluoride, below 1 ppm, may seriously depress the ability of white blood cells to destroy pathogenic agents.
John Curnette, et al, " Fluoride-mediated Activation of the Respiratory Burst in Human Neutrophils," Journal of Clinical Investigation, Vol. 63, pp. 637-647 (1979); W. L. Gabler and P. A. Leong, ., " Fluoride Inhibition of Polymorphonumclear Leukocytes," Journal of Dental Research, Vol. 48, No. 9, pp. 1933-1939 (1979); W. L. Gabler, et al., " Effect of Fluoride on the Kinetics of Superoxide Generation by Fluoride," Journal of Dental Research, Vol. 64, p. 281 (1985); A. S. Kozlyuk, et al., " Immune Status of Children in Chemically Contaminated Environments," Zdravookhranenie, Issue 3, pp. 6-9 (1987)
4. Fluoride confuses the immune system and causes it to attack the body's own tissues, and increases the tumor growth rate in cancer prone individuals.
Alfred Taylor and Nell C. Taylor, " Effect of Sodium Fluoride on Tumor Growth," Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine, Vol. 119, p. 252 (1965); Shiela Gibson, " Effects of Fluoride on Immune System Function," Complementary Medical Research, Vol. 6, pp. 111-113 (1992); Peter Wilkinson, " Inhibition of the Immune System With Low Levels of Fluorides," Testimony before the Scottish High Court in Edinburgh in the Case of McColl vs. Strathclyde Regional Council, pp. 17723-18150, 19328-19492, and Exhibit 636, (1982); D. W. Allman and M. Benac, " Effect of Inorganic Fluoride Salts on Urine and Cyclic AMP Concentration in Vivo," Journal of Dental Research, Vol. 55 (Supplement B), p. 523 (1976); S. Jaouni and D. W. Allman, " Effect of Sodium Fluoride and Aluminum on Adenylate Cyclase and Phosphodiesterase Activity," Journal of Dental Research, Vol. 64, p. 201 (1985)
5. Fluoride inhibits antibody formation in the blood.
S. K. Jain and A. K. Susheela, " Effect of Sodium Fluoride on Antibody Formation in Rabbits," Environmental Research, Vol. 44, pp. 117-125 (1987)
6. Fluoride depresses thyroid activity.
Viktor Gorlitzer Von Mundy, " Influence of Fluorine and Iodine on the Metabolism, Particularly on the Thyroid Gland," Muenchener Medicische Wochenschrift, Vol. 105, pp. 182-186 (1963); A. Benagiano, "The Effect of Sodium Fluoride on Thyroid Enzymes and Basal Metabolism in the Rat," Annali Di Stomatologia, Vol. 14, pp. 601-619 (1965); Donald Hillman, et al., " Hypothyroidism and Anemia Related to Fluoride in Dairy Cattle," Journal of Dairy Science, Vol. 62, No.3, pp. .416-423 (1979); V. Stole and J. Podoba, " Effect of Fluoride on the Biogenesis of Thyroid Hormones," Nature, Vol. 188, No. 4753, pp. 855-856 (1960); Pierre Galleti and Gustave Joyet, " Effect of Fluorine on Thyroid Iodine Metabolism and Hyperthyroidism," Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, Vol. 18, pp. 1102-1110 (1958)
7. Fluorides have a disruptive effect on various tissues in the body.
T. Takamorim " The Heart Changes in Growing Albino Rats Fed on Varied Contents of Fluorine," The Toxicology of Fluorine Symposium, Bern, Switzerland, Oct 1962, pp. 125-129; Vilber A. O. Bello and Hillel J. Gitelman, " High Fluoride Exposure in Hemodialysis Patients," American Journal of Kidney Diseases, Vol. 15, pp. 320-324 (1990); Y. Yoshisa, " Experimental Studies on Chronic Fluorine Poisoning," Japanese Journal of Industrial Health, Vol. 1, pp. 683-690 (1959)
8. Fluoride promotes development of bone cancer.
J.K. Mauer, et al., " Two-Year Cacinogenicity Study Of Sodium Fluoride In Rats," Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 82, pp. 1118-1126 (1990); Proctor and Gamble " Carcinogenicity Studies with Sodium Fluoride in Rats" National Institute of Environmenrtal Health Sciences Presentation, July 27, 1985; S. E. Hrudley et al., " Drinking Water Fluoridation and Osteosarcoma," Canadian Journal of Public Health, Vol. 81, pp. 415-416 (1990); P. D. Cohn, " A Brief Report on the Association of Drinking Water Fluoridation and Incidence of Osteosarcoma in Young Males," New Jersey Department of Health, Trenton, New Jersey, Nov. 1992; M. C. Mahoney et al., " Bone Cancer Incidence Rates in New York," American Journal of Public Health, Vol. 81, pp. 81, 475 (1991); Irwin Herskowitz and Isabel Norton, " Increased Incidence of Melanotic Tumors Following Treatment with Sodium Fluoride," Genetics Vol. 48, pp. 307-310 (1963); J. A. Disney, et al., " A Case Study in Testing the Conventional Wisdom: School Based Fluoride Mouth Rinse Programs in the USA," Community Dentistry and Oral Epidemiology, Vol. 18, pp. 46-56 (1990); D. J. Newell, " Fluoridation of Water Supplies and Cancer - An Association?," Applied Statistics, Vol. 26, No. 2, pp. 125-135 (1977)
9. Fluorides cause premature aging of the human body.
Nicholas Leone, et al., " Medical Aspects of Excessive Fluoride in a Water Supply," Public Health Reports, Vol. 69, pp. 925-936 (1954); J. David Erikson, " Mortality of Selected Cities with Fluoridated and Non-Fluoridated Water Supplies," New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 298, pp. 1112-1116 (1978); " The Village Where People Are Old Before Their Time," Stern Magazine, Vol. 30, pp. 107-108, 111-112 (1978)
10. Fluoride ingestion from mouth rinses and dentifrices in children is extremely hazardous to biological development, life span and general health.
Yngve Ericsson and Britta Forsman, " Fluoride Retained From Mouth Rinses and Dentifrices In Preschool Children," Caries Research, Vol. 3, pp. 290-299 (1969); W. L. Augenstein, et al., " Fluoride Ingestion In Children: A Review Of 87 Cases," Pediatrics, Vol. 88, pp. 907-912, (1991); Charles Wax, " Field Investigation Report," State of Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, March 19, 1980, 67 pages; George Waldbott, " Mass Intoxication from Over-Fluoridation in Drinking Water," Clinical Toxicology, Vol. 18, No.5, pp. 531-541 (1981)
Other Facts
The contents of a family size tube of fluoridated toothpaste is enough to kill a 25 pound child.
In 1991, the Akron (Ohio) Regional Poison Center reported that "death has been reported following ingestion of 16mg/kg of fluoride. Only 1/10 of an ounce of fluoride could kill a 100 pound adult. According to the Center, "fluoride toothpaste contains up to 1mg/gram of fluoride." Even Proctor and Gamble, the makers of Crest, acknowledge that a family-sized tube "theoretically contains enough fluoride to kill a small child."
Fluorides have been used to modify behavior and mood of human beings.
It is a little known fact that fluoride compounds were added to the drinking water of prisoners to keep them docile and inhibit questioning of authority, both in Nazi prison camps in World War II and in the Soviet gulags in Siberia.
Fluorides are medically categorized as protoplasmic poisons, which is why they are used to kill rodents.
The September 18, 1943 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, states, "fluorides are general protoplasmic poisons, changing the permeability of the cell membrane by inhibiting certain enzymes. The exact mechanisms of such actions are obscure."
Fluoride consumption by human beings increases the general cancer death rate.
In 1975 Dr. John Yiamouyiannis published a preliminary survey which showed that people in fluoridated areas have a higher cancer death rate than those in non-fluoridated areas. The National Cancer Institute attempted to refute the studies. Later in 1975 Yiamouyiannis joined with Dr. Dean Burk, chief chemist of the National Cancer Institute (1939-1974) in performing other studies which were then included in the Congressional Record by Congressman Delaney, who was the original author of the Delaney Amendment, which prohibited the addition of cancer-causing substances to food used for human consumption. Both reports confirmed the existence of a link between fluoridation and cancer. (Note: Obviously Dr. Burk felt free to agree with scientific truth only after his tenure at National Cancer Institute ended, since his job depended on towing the party line).
Fluorides have little or no effect on decay prevention in humans.
In 1990 Dr. John Colquhoun was forced into early retirement in New Zealand after he conducted a study on 60,000 school children and found no difference in tooth decay between fluoridated and unfluoridated areas. He additionally found that a substantial number of children in fluoridated areas suffered from dental fluorosis. He made the study public.
There is no scientific data that shows that fluoride mouth rinses and tablets are safe for human use.
In 1989 a study by Hildebolt, et al. on 6,000 school children contradicted any alleged benefit from the use of sodium fluorides. A 1990 study by Dr. John Yiamouyiannis on 39,000 school children contradicted any alleged benefits from the use of sodium fluorides. In 1992 Michael Perrone, a legislative assistant in New Jersey, contacted the FDA requesting all information regarding the safety and effectiveness of fluoride tablets and drops. After 6 months of stalling, the FDA admitted they had no data to show that fluoride tablets or drops were either safe or effective. They informed Perrone that they will "probably have to pull the tablets and drops off the market."
The fact that fluoride toothpastes and school based mouth rinses are packaged in aluminum accentuates the effect on the body.
In 1976, Dr. D. Allman and coworkers from Indiana University School of Medicine fed animals 1 part-per-million (ppm) fluoride and found that in the presence of aluminum, in a concentration as small as 20 parts per billion, fluoride is able to cause an even larger increase in cyclic AMP levels. Cyclic AMP inhibits the migration rate of white blood cells, as well as the ability of the white blood cell to destroy pathogenic (disease-causing) organisms. Reference: Journal of Dental Research, Vol. 55, Sup B, p. 523, 1976, " Effect of Inorganic Fluoride Salts on Urine and Tissue Cyclic AMP Concentration in Vivo". (Note: It is no small accident that toothpaste tubes containing fluoride are often made of aluminum)
"Fluoridation is the greatest case of scientific fraud of this century"
Robert Carlton, Ph. D., former U. S. EPA scientist on " Marketplace" Canadian Broadcast Company, Nov. 24, 1992
"Regarding fluoridation, the EPA should act immediately to protect the public, not just on the cancer data, but on the evidence of bone fractures, arthritis, mutagenicity and other effects"
William Marcus, Ph. D., senior EPA toxicologist, Covert Action, Fall 1992, p. 66 |
Not enough for you?
http://www.all-natural.com/fleffect.html
http://www.fluoridealert.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8NLbRL860U
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/toxicchemicalsan/a/flouride.htm
http://www.naturalrearing.com/J_In_Learning/Diet/Water/FLUORIDE.htm
http://www.livingnutrition.com/articles/flouride.html
http://www.nofluoride.com/
http://www.i-c-m.org.uk/journal/2003/jun/may05.htm
http://www.battery-rechargeable-charger.com/water-filter-fluoride-pois oning.html
http://www.chem-tox.com/pregnancy/fluoride.htm
http://www.pcdf.org/meadows/fluoride.html
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd102.htm
http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller17.html
http://healingdeva.com/flouride.htm
It all goes to show just what level of idiocy you are willing to believe. "ANYTHING JUST SO LONG AS IT CAME FROM THE GOVERNMENT!!!!"
Like i said before, try and learn how to think for yourself.
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Ok I was wrong, you're not scared of arabs. I apologise. |
Hey, i am shocked.
Is this a genuine apology?
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | That's what it says though. It shows other corrupt countries, and then the US rejected Northwoods. That looks like the US is squeaky clean. Might not want to use that one to try to prove 9/11 was an inside job. |
* idiot. Off you go and get a clue. |
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Didnt Oswald work for the CiA in some capacity?
Yawn. |
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That doesn't make 9/11 a false flag op though does it? None of those links relate to 9/11. The only link to the US is Operation Northwoods, and that was rejected, and released to the public. That suggests that other countries are corrupt, but the US rejected false flag ops. You're really not proving much here. |
hmm, Operation Northwoods was rejected by the person who stopped World War 3, wanted to end the cold war with the Soviets and wanted to pull the soldiers out of Vietnam so it does follow that Kennedy, a peaceful loving guy, would reject such madness. Kennedy was then assassinated and replaced by someone who used the lie of Tonkin to pass a resolution that killed thousands of US soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese (who are still feeling the effects of agent orange and other nerve and biological agents to this day).
http://www.atsnn.com/article/185212
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/press20051201.htm |
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| DeFecToR wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: |
Ok I was wrong, you're not scared of arabs. I apologise. |
Hey, i am shocked.
Is this a genuine apology? |
Yes. I made an assumption and I was wrong. Please accept my apologies. |
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Staggering stupidity.
If the level of flouride in drinking water is higher in the ocean....then....maybe....thats why we DONT FUKCING DRINK OCEAN WATER you complete idiot.
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Flouride occurs naturally in all drinking water. It is one of the minerals picked up as it travels through rocks. That's how it gets to the sea. It's not the government that flouridates the majority of your water it's (shock horror) NATURE!
Now go get digging up them thar hills, they're killing your kids. |
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| scubadiver wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: |
That doesn't make 9/11 a false flag op though does it? None of those links relate to 9/11. The only link to the US is Operation Northwoods, and that was rejected, and released to the public. That suggests that other countries are corrupt, but the US rejected false flag ops. You're really not proving much here. |
hmm, Operation Northwoods was rejected by the person who stopped World War 3, wanted to end the cold war with the Soviets and wanted to pull the soldiers out of Vietnam so it does follow that Kennedy, a peaceful loving guy, would reject such madness. Kennedy was then assassinated and replaced by someone who used the lie of Tonkin to pass a resolution that killed thousands of US soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese (who are still feeling the effects of agent orange and other nerve and biological agents to this day).
http://www.atsnn.com/article/185212
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/press20051201.htm |
Yes, but he was murderd by Oswald who acted alone, so that goes to prove precisely nothing. |
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what?!
we probably shouldn't get on to jfk on here. but come on! the fatal shot came from the front and the official explanation on the path of the bullet is utterly ridiculous.. besides being impossible
it amazes me how some peoples faith in the establishment can superseed basic physics!
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| TimmyG wrote: | what?!
we probably shouldn't get on to jfk on here. but come on! the fatal shot came from the front and the official explanation on the path of the bullet is utterly ridiculous.. besides being impossible
it amazes me how some peoples faith in the establishment can superseed basic physics! |
If you're talking about the whole magic bullet theory, then you should check out the seating plane from the magic bullet diagram, and compare that to the seating plan in the limosine itself. You'll find they are different. Now ask yourself why the magic bullet theory needs to alter the seating plan? |
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| scubadiver wrote: | | This time I agree with you. Connally's seat was further inward and downward compared to Kennedy. The bullet holes actually line up. |
Now imagine how frustrating it would be if every time you met a JFK conspiracy theorist, they presented you with the magic bullet path as evidence, even thought it's been shown to be wrong. (And they do)
That's how it feels debating 9/11 when some people will keep throwing the same piece of evidence at you, even though it's been shown to be wrong. That should explain a little as to why we can be a little rude, and a little less patient than we should be. |
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Not wanting to get into a major debate about JFK, but i thought the magic bullet theory was because although it was supposed to have caused all the injuries to JFK and Connolly was that the bullet hardly sustained any damage, even though it had passed through JFKs spine.
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | scubadiver wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: |
That doesn't make 9/11 a false flag op though does it? None of those links relate to 9/11. The only link to the US is Operation Northwoods, and that was rejected, and released to the public. That suggests that other countries are corrupt, but the US rejected false flag ops. You're really not proving much here. |
hmm, Operation Northwoods was rejected by the person who stopped World War 3, wanted to end the cold war with the Soviets and wanted to pull the soldiers out of Vietnam so it does follow that Kennedy, a peaceful loving guy, would reject such madness. Kennedy was then assassinated and replaced by someone who used the lie of Tonkin to pass a resolution that killed thousands of US soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese (who are still feeling the effects of agent orange and other nerve and biological agents to this day).
http://www.atsnn.com/article/185212
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/press20051201.htm |
Yes, but he was murderd by Oswald who acted alone, so that goes to prove precisely nothing. |
Oh silly me, I presumed you believed that JFK was killed because of a conspiracy.
Regardless of whether Oswald acted alone or not, what I said is still true. |
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