Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: Abu Hamza MI6's fake cleric 'Damson Berry 910' transported
Just like Haroon Aswat it seems the preferred option is to get these people out of the UK - just in case they may be needed here to testify against those who helped them infiltrate the Finsbury Park Mosque. And stopped the Met. from acting when the real Muslims at Finsbury Park tried to warn the police about Aswat and Hamza before 7/7.
How disgusting these extra-judicial crooks are - whoever heard of someone being extradited whilst serving a sentence here - what if he wins his case in the US? will they let him go?!?!!
And how pathetic the unquestioning UK media.
Intelligence agencies playing games with the law
Britain to extradite Hamza 'the hook' to US
LONDON: Britain has decided to extradite radical Muslim cleric Abu Hamza, aka “the hook”, to the US to be tried for alleged terrorist activity.
The high court ruling rejected imputations by Hamza’s lawyers that the American extradition request was based on the “fruits of torture”.
The ruling is a further blow to the Egyptian-born preacher who is currently serving a seven-year jail term here for inciting murder and race hate. The 7/7 London bombers were inspired by Hamza’s sermons and the would-be bombers who caused panic throughout the London transport system on July 21 worshipped at the Finsbury Park mosque where he was once the imam.
Many see Hamza’s forthcoming extradition as one of the first triumphs of the streamlined Anglo-American extradition treaty. In May 2004, Hamza was the first person to be arrested under the treaty for a range of 11 offences including sending cash to al-Qaida and attempting to set up an al-Qaida training camp in Bly, Oregon. Hamza, a powerfully-built, one-eyed giant of a man is a controversial figure in Britain, provoking horror for his exhortations to kill non-Muslims as part of a “halal” lifestyle......
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject:
This article on Aswat long gone from the New Criminologist website, a magazine which is also long gone. Funny peculiar that.
"This is the guy [Aswat], and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him.
London Bombing ringleader, Haroon Rashid Aswat - double agent for MI6?
Published on 23 August 2005 | Author BERRY-DEE, Christopher.
In a lengthy statement that will send shockwaves around the world, John Loftus, a terrorism expert and a former prosecutor for the US Justice Department, has publically revealed that the so called mastermind of the 7/7 London Bombings, Haroon Rashid Aswat, is a British "Intelligence Asset".
A TNC US-based source has sent us extraordinary fully verifiable information, along with a filmed interview during which Loftus makes his accusations.
We are double-checking with our contact - a former long-time colleague of former FBI Counter Terrorism Special Agent and Al-Qaeda hunter, John O'Neill, who died in the 9/11 Twin Towers disaster.
Former Justice Dept. prosecutor and terror expert, John Loftus, revealed that the so-called Al-Muhajiroun group, based in London had formed during the Kosovo crisis, during which Fundamentalist Muslim Leaders (Or what is now referred to as Al Qaeda) were recruited by MI6 to fight in Kosovo.
Loftus stated that "...back in the late 1990s, the leaders all worked for British intelligence in Kosovo. Believe it or not, British intelligence actually hired some Al-Qaeda guys to help defend the Muslim rights in Albania and in Kosovo. That's when Al-Muhajiroun got started."
In a blistering attack on MI6 John Loftus went on to spell out that British Intelligence and the US Dept of Justice had protected Haroon Rashid Aswat:
"Back in 1999 he came to America. The Justice Department wanted to indict him in Seattle because him and his buddy were trying to set up a terrorist training school in Oregon... we've just learned that the headquarters of the US Justice Department ordered the Seattle prosecutors not to touch Aswat... apparently Aswat was working for British intelligence."
This story has been around for some weeks, the TNC reports, but it has always been 'dressed up' as a slight 'difference of opinion' between the FBI and MI6, with the Home Office claiming that they have been reluctant to hand Aswat over to the US authorities because he is a British national.
But, senior US intelligence officials are said to be fuming, claiming that everytime they got close to detaining Aswat, wherever he is in the world, he slips through the net.
Loftus claims in an unprecedented attack on MI6 that this is startling and again highlights how Al Qaeda exists as an organized body only where the intelligence services have created, funded and employed it. Loftus points out that several weeks before the London Bombings, Aswat was again located by the South African Intel agency but was again allowed to slip away, this time to London:
"He was a British intelligence plant. So all of a sudden he disappears. He's in South Africa. We think he's dead; we don't know he's down there. Last month the South African Secret Service come across the guy. He's alive...the Brits know that the CIA wants to get a hold of Haroon. So what happens? He takes off again, goes right to London. He isn't arrested when he lands, he isn't arrested when he leaves... He's on the watch list. The only reason he could get away with that was if he was working for British intelligence. He was a wanted man."
Loftus' information is also backed up by the New York Times and CNN who reported on this incident, however, the internet link to the London Independent's article has mysteriously disappeared.
If proven, the ramifications of John Loftus's claims - and he is supported by many FBI agents - could be that the London bombings could have been prevented if Haroon Aswat had been taken into custody long ago.
TNC's US source writes:
"It is now believed that British born Haroon Rashid Aswat was the brains behind the London attacks on July 7th in which 56 died and 700 were wounded. During the investigation of the London attacks the British police and American intelligence sources were able to determine that Aswat had received on his portable telephone a score of calls from the four suspects in the July 7th London attacks. The Times asserts that Aswat stated that he had been a bodyguard of Osama Bin Laden. This would have made him the 2nd highest- ranking Al Qaeda member in Britain. Haroon Rashid Aswat was an aide to the cleric, Abu Hamza Al-Masri. Abu Hamza was listed by USA intelligence sources as a suspected terrorist financier because of links to the Islamic Army of Aden, an Al Qaeda-associated group and the 2000 attack on the U.S. warship the USS Cole in Yemen. For 10 years Aswat had associated with militant Muslim groups and had been to Khalden, the Al-Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan. Haroon Rashid Aswat is also known to have ties to South Africa and Johannesburg and suspected of involvement in planning the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen.
"Aswat had long been the object of US and British intelligence surveillance. Haroon Aswat had entered to Zambia on July 6, 2005. He was arrested on July 20, 2005 in Lusaka for "terrorist activities" and "infringements with the rules of immigration".
Loftus added:
"This is the guy [Aswat], and what's really embarrassing is that the entire British police are out chasing him, and one wing of the British government, MI6 or the British Secret Service, has been hiding him. And this has been a real source of contention between the CIA, the Justice Department, and Britain' he is a double agent.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Wed May 07, 2014 7:14 pm Post subject:
Abu Hamza 'secretly worked for MI5' to 'keep streets of London safe'
Radical Islamic preacher helped police and British intelligence 'defuse tensions with the Muslim community', his lawyer claims
A court drawing of Abu Hamza taking notes in Manhattan federal court, New York Photo: JANE ROSENBERG/REUTERS
Abu Hamza, the radical Islamic preacher notorious for his hate-filled sermons, was in reality working secretly with British intelligence "to keep the streets of London safe" by "cooling hotheads", his lawyer claimed in a US court.
Holding up what he said were reports from Scotland Yard, Joshua Dratel described the cleric as an "intermediary" who cooperated with MI5 and the police to try to end foreign hostage-takings and defuse tensions with the Muslim community in Britain.
The extraordinary admission will fuel conspiracy theories that he was allowed to preach hatred without arrest for so long in the UK because he was working with the security authorities
His portrayal of the fiery Egyptian-born imam presented a very different picture from the one laid out by earlier by prosecutors who have accused him of operating a global terror network from the Finsbury Park mosque in north London.
Mr Dratel, the lead defence attorney, made the startling claim as Hamza prepared to take the witness box in his own defence in his New York trial where he has pleaded not guilty to 11 charges of terrorism.
The lawyer was arguing against a prosecution request for the judge to block the cleric from talking about any dealings with British authorities that did not relate directly to the allegations against him in court.
Hamza was extradited to the US in 2012 after serving a six-year jail term in Britain for inciting racial hatred and soliciting murder.
During his trial in the UK in 2006, Hamza claimed he was in regular discussions with MI5 and Special Branch between 1997 and 2000.
He claimed then that he was told he could continue to preach “as long as we don’t see blood on the street”.
The alleged discussions occurred at a time of heightened concern in the UK over the amount of Islamist extremists sheltering here, which led to the nickname “Londonistan”.
Hamza told the Old Bailey then that it was not until 2000 that he was then warned he was “walking a tightrope”.
In New York, he now faces much more serious charges of funnelling cash and recruits to al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, involvement in a hostage-taking in Yemen in which three Britons were killed and trying to set up a jihad training camp in Oregon.
The cleric, who is on trial just a few streets from the scene of the Sept 2001 terrorist strikes on the World Trade Centre, has previously praised those 9/11 attacks as a "towering day in history" and lauded Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaeda founder.
But Mr Dratel contended that his client was in fact just making those outrageous statements to appeal to parts of the Muslim community.
"He's going to testify that he took a certain position publicly for a certain reason, but at the same time his intention was to de-escalate, to avoid wider war and to keep the streets of London safe," Mr Dratel told Judge Katherine Forrest in deliberations before the jury was ushered into the federal courtroom.
He said that Hamza expressed his true "intent" in discussions with Scotland Yard and MI5. "It goes to the theme of our defence that he was an intermediary, that MI5 asked him on multiple times to act in hostage situations, cool down the community and maintain a sense of order," he argued.
Mr Dratel said he was working from 50 pages of reports of Scotland Yard – "their notes of what was said" – in dealings with Hamza between May 1997 and August 2000, the period covered by US charges against him.
"The documents were provided by the UK," he said. "They touch on virtually every conflict that we are talking about in this case – Algeria, Bosnia, Yemen, Afghanistan."
The fact that Hamza was able to preach publicly in Britain for so long before he was apprehended fuelled rumours that he was in some way being protected by the police or security services, but there was never any confirmation of this.
Mr Dratel cited specific cases in which he said that the British authorities turned to Hamza for his assistance.
After arrests were made in Britain related to the civil war in Algeria, Hamza was asked "how the community is reacting and how to keep the community in equilibrium", he said. "He agreed to do so and made proposals."
On another occasion, when a British captive was taken in Kashmir, Hamza was reportedly asked to try to intervene as he had connections with the hostage-taking group from his time in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Mr Dratel said his client made "some phone calls" but was unable to help.
And the lawyer said that after two suspects in the 1998 US embassy bombings in east Africa were subsequently arrested in Britain, there was a discussion between Hamza and the authorities about "cooling the hotheads".
Hamza lost both his arms and an eye in Afghanistan, but the US judicial authorities have removed his famous prosthetic hook as a security risk to himself and others.
Instead, he used a prosthetic limb with a pen attached to scribble notes on post-it paper and passed them to his lawyers sitting next to him in the wood-panelled courtroom on the 15th floor, overlooking lower Manhattan.
Wearing a light blue T-shirt and black track suit bottoms, with a silver beard and his steel-rimmed glasses held in place by a cord around his neck, he struck a much less sinister figure than the ranting imam who delivered incendiary statements and sermons in London.
The jury later watched in rapt attention as a New Zealand woman described the terrifying ordeal of a group of Western tourists taken hostage by Islamic radicals in Yemen in 1998. Three Britons were killed in an intense gun-battle with Yemeni soldiers as the militants used their captives as human shields.
Hamza is accused of helping to organise the hostage-taking to obtain the release of several Britons, including his son, who had been arrested with suspected bomb-making equipment by Yemen.
Mary Quin, the witness, went to the Finsbury Park mosque in 2000 to confront Hamza about his alleged role and taped the encounter. In excerpts played to the court, he told her that the hostage-taking was justified "Islamically" and that it was intended to help secure the release of "my people".
He acknowledged speaking to the lead kidnapper during the crisis and that he had provided the gang with a satellite phone.
MI5 approved my preaching, Abu Hamza tells Old Bailey
By Cahal Milmo Friday 20 January 2006 01:00
Abu Hamza has begun a robust denial of claims that he urged his followers to murder non-believers. The 47-year-old preacher, who faces 15 charges including soliciting murder, entered the witness box at the Old Bailey yesterday to insist that his sermons were not intended to stir up racism and hatred among Muslim congregations across Britain.
During his first day of giving evidence, the radical Muslim cleric revealed that his preaching at locations including the Finsbury Park Mosque in north London had been tacitly approved by MI5. He said his non-religious work had once included overseeing building work at Sandhurst, the officer training college of the British Army, currently attended by Prince William and Prince Harry.
Dressed in a pale blue shalwar kameez, Mr Hamza told the court that in his first job as a civil engineer in 1989 he had been in charge of the large-scale project at Sandhurst and retained detailed drawings of its layout and perimeter fence.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:20 pm Post subject:
Abu Hamza guilty: former MI6 chief denies cleric was informant
Portrayal of hate preacher as a force of moderation who was secretly aiding security services has now been 'debunked' by former security officials
By Philip Sherwell, New York10:16AM BST 20 May 2014
...“That could not be further from the truth,” said Lord Macdonald, now warden at Wadham College, Oxford. “The Americans wanted us to extradite him immediately but after I saw the material that was seized from his home when he was arrested for that extradition request, I decided that crimes had been committed here and he should be prosecuted here.”
Lord Macdonald had what he described as “robust discussions” with Alberto Gonzales, President George W Bush’s Attorney General. “The Americans were not at all happy that we were going to try him first, but this was an important principle as we had evidence of crimes committed in the UK and we were not going to outsource a prosecution to the US.”
Mr Dratel’s claims that his client worked with MI5 reignited conspiracy theories that he was allowed to preach hatred without arrest for so long in the UK because he was assisting the security authorities.
Hamza had claimed in his 2006 trial at the Old Bailey that he was in regular discussions with MI5 and Special Branch and was told he could continue to preach “as long as we don’t see blood on the street”.
The alleged discussions occurred at a time of heightened concern in the UK over the amount of Islamist extremists sheltering here. Hamza told the Old Bailey then that it was not until 2000 that he was then warned he was “walking a tightrope”.
In their book The Suicide Factory: Abu Hamza and the Finsbury Park Mosque, journalists Sean O’Neill and Daniel McGrory said that Scotland Yard had given him the code name “damson berry” while MI5 gave him the code number 910.
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 18335 Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:36 pm Post subject:
Controlling both sides of the chessboard your highness?
And no problem with Christian Zionist hate preachers like John MacArthur who say Muslims are the antichrist's footsoldiers?
25 September 2012
The Queen voiced concerns to the previous government about the inability of UK authorities to arrest Abu Hamza al-Masri, it has emerged. [to find a law under which he could be arrested]
The BBC's Frank Gardner says the Queen told him she had spoken to a home secretary about the issue.
On Monday, a European Court of Human Rights ruling paved the way for the radical cleric to be extradited to the US after an eight-year battle.
The Home Office said the extradition would happen "as quickly as possible".
Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, our correspondent said the Queen had been upset that there was no way to arrest the radical cleric and spoke to the then home secretary to ask why somebody who appeared to be inciting violence and hatred was still at large.
"Like anybody, she was upset that her country and its subjects were being denigrated by this man," said our correspondent, who stressed that the monarch was not lobbying but "merely voicing the views that many have".
Analysis
[]By Dominic Casciani - who nearly got sacked as BBC home affairs correspondent because of this story
The legal and political importance of this final decision by the European court cannot be overestimated. In the wake of 9/11, Washington and London developed extradition and counter-terrorism strategies designed to make sure that suspects, wherever they were, would face justice.
Now that Strasbourg has stepped aside, there is no other legal avenue open for three of the five.
But there is a question mark over the fate of Babar Ahmad and his co-accused, Syed Talha Ahsan. Campaigners have raised serious questions about the fairness of what has happened to them.
There has been an 11th-hour attempt to privately prosecute the pair because their alleged offences occurred in London.
That may lead to a last attempt to delay their transfer - but many legal experts doubt that it could stop these extraditions, which are so important to both governments.
A spokeswoman for Buckingham Palace said it would "never comment on private conversations involving any member of the Royal Family".
The Home Office also said it would not comment on such conversations.
It is rare for the Queen to express opinions on such matters.
Labour MP Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, said it showed "how deeply concerned" the Queen is for the "welfare of her subjects".
He told BBC News: "It's good that she has mentioned this to the home secretary and absolutely appropriate."
But campaign group Republic has accused the BBC of revealing details of the Queen's interest in the case to put her "on the right side of public opinion".
"The decision to disclose this one conversation while keeping all else secret smacks of a deliberate PR stunt to put the Queen on the right side of public opinion," the group said.
On Monday, a panel of the European court's highest judges declined to refer the case of Abu Hamza and four other terrorism suspects to the European Court's Grand Chamber - the last avenue of appeal open to them in their fight against extradition to the US.
The men have argued that they will face inhumane treatment in the US if they are sent there.
Life imprisonment
But the US authorities, supported by British officials, are now working on arrangements to transfer the men to America to face terrorism charges. It is believed extraditions could happen within three weeks.
Abu Hamza is wanted over allegations he plotted to set up a terrorist training camp in the US and was involved in kidnapping Western hostages in Yemen. If convicted, he faces life imprisonment.
Abu Hamza has argued he would face inhumane and degrading treatment if imprisoned for life without possibility of parole.
His legal battle has lasted more than eight years and cost millions of pounds.
The case of Babar Ahmad - who, with co-accused Syed Talha Ahsan, is alleged to have run a jihadist website in London that provided support to terrorists - is not as clear cut, according to BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw.
Campaigners for Mr Ahmad say the battle to keep him in the UK will continue.
His supporters say he should stand trial in the UK because the alleged offences occurred here.
Earlier this month, a businessman began the process of launching a private prosecution, saying that British suspects should be tried in the UK, not abroad.
Adel Abdul Bary and Khaled al-Fawwaz are accused of being aides to former al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden in London.
They said that they faced an inhumane regime of solitary confinement in a special "supermax" prison.
The five men were indicted on terrorism charges by the US between 1999 and 2006.
Abu Hamza and Mr Ahmad have been in custody since 2004, and Mr Ahsan since 2006; the arrests of Mr Bary and Mr al-Fawwaz date back to 1998, making them the longest-held detainees without trial in the UK.
Abu Hamza was convicted in 2006 in the UK of charges including soliciting to murder and stirring up racial hatred, and given a seven-year jail sentence.
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