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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: Kincora Boys' Home in Belfast - gay brothel? |
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Michael Stone, MI5 and Kincora.
Stone claims he turned after a relative died, the truth is a lot more interesting and much less manly an explanation for joining the ranks of the death squads. You dont become totally psychologically disturbed on his obvious level after a relatives death. You do however become disturbed on that level if you were an unfortunate resident of the infamous Kincora boys home for most of your teenage years.
Kincora was run as a virtual gay brothel by loyalist leaders and MI5 . Its clientele who preyed for years on vulnerable young boys in its care like Stone included loyalist paramilitary leaders, unionist politicians, judges and public figures. MI5 knew about it the entire time and used it as a blackmailers lever on unionist figures. Even Lord Mountbatten is strongly rumored to have been one of its more high profile visitors.
After coming out of that hell hole and from a broken home its no wonder Stone was a damaged psycho. Its believed he came under the influence of the notorious and utterly sadistic homosexual founder of the Red Hand Commando John McKeague on one of his many visits to the boys home during the 70s and was introduced to loyalism amongst other things by him.
Stone was sent to Milltown. It wasnt his idea as he claims. His nonsense about aborting a previous attack in the chapel needs taken with a major pinch of salt. Despite the heavy presence of media observers, television cameras and police and army surveillance and helicopters etc not a single photographic frame of him exists anywhere near the chapel he says he sat yards away from Adams and McGuinness in. Not a single one yet you can guarantee every last person at those funerals was photographed.
Another strange fact is that the grenades he threw were stun grenades , hard cellulose casings and not steel fragmentation casings. Had they been fragmentation grenades the death toll would certainly have been higher . But as we now know the very people who set up the Gibraltar volunteers, as well as the Loughall men, were gathered around that very graveside . Thats why stone was given stun grenades and not frags. Not a single fatality was caused by the numerous grenades he threw simply because they were non lethal. The injuries they caused were the bits of gravel and stone they kicked up and spewed out, not flying white hot steel shrapnel. More injuries were caused as people rushed for cover behind headstones.
The deaths on that day were the brave young unarmed men who were shot as they doggedly persued stone as he made for the white get away van on the motorway. It abandoned the useful idiot to his fate as it saw the crowd gain on him. It later emerged that it was an RUC van which drove off but the RUC claim it was traffic branch. Never heard of traffic branch going round in unmarked Transits, hardly an ideal vehicle for pulling over speeding motorists on the motorway but there you go .
If stone had been sent to commit mass murder and wipe out the provo leadership it would have made a lot more sense to give him an AK with spare mags and a bag of lethal grenades, not oversized squibs and 2 handguns. Handguns he only fired to get away, not into the assembled leadership. But he got neither.
Instead he instilled fear in a community to make it lower its political aims . He also assisted the cover of the Donaldsons, Scappitticis and others who gathered around the graveside of the very volunteers they betrayed to the British . Everyone saw this British " attempt to wipe out the leadership" on their tv screens , just as many in the rural IRA suspected the leadership of helping the Brits wipe out its opposition .
But it was no such attempt . We now know that Brian Nelson and others made sure loyalists never got near the leadership, setting up pensioners like Fra Notarantonio instead . We also know the Brits made sure the bullets which were fired at Adams in 82 were non lethal and incapable of killing a hamster never mind himself.
http://www.irish-nationalism.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6786
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys'_Home
More on Michael Stone
Irish News TV journalist Andrea Devlin was among those caught up in dramatic events at Stormont in January 2007. Here she gives an eyewitness account of Michael Stone's attempt to storm Parliament Buildings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pDdimLC9ZU
Michael Stone attacks Milltown Cemetary in 1988
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMFn-cWjtY
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• Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association formed (1967)
• Battle of the Bogside (1969)
• Riots across Northern Ireland (1969)
• Beginning of Operation Banner (1969)
• Social Democratic and Labour Party formed (1970)
• Internment without trial begins with Operation Demetrius (1971)
• Bloody Sunday by British Army (1972)
• Northern Ireland government dissolved. Direct rule from London begins (1972)
• Bloody Friday by Provisional IRA (1972)
• Power sharing Northern Ireland Assembly set up with SDLP and Ulster Unionist Party in power (1973)
• Ulster Workers Council strike ends power sharing Northern Ireland Assembly (1974)
• Dublin and Monaghan bombings by UVF with alleged British Army assistance (1974)
• Kingsmill massacre by South Armagh Republican Action Force (1976)
• Warrenpoint Ambush by Provisional IRA (1979)
• 1981 Irish hunger strike by Provisional IRA and INLA members (1981)
• Hunger striker Bobby Sands elected MP. Marks turning point as Sinn Féin begins to move towards electoral politics (1981)
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Ignore the hysteria and get justice for victims of Kincora
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BY RUTH DUDLEY EDWARDS – 13 APRIL 2015
Uncovering child abuse is as difficult as it is important. Damaged children need to be heard and the perpetrators dealt with, yet the police and the justice system have to be wary of witch-hunts.
Kincora-related allegations are flying all over the place. Here are a sample.
That children were abused is the firm ground which few challenge. In the 1980s, along with two of his staff, Kincora's head, William McGrath, an extreme loyalist, was jailed for sexual assault.
But it's been claimed for years that the three were members of a paedophile ring protected by MI5 because it wanted information about other loyalist perpetrators.
Others claim the ring went wider and included some respectable but secretly homosexual unionist MPs who visited Kincora to assault children.
Now Richard Kerr and Clint Massey have told us that they were intimidated into staying silent by members of the RUC. And Brian Gemmell, a former captain in the Army Intelligence Corps, says he was told by MI5 to "stop digging" for evidence on Kincora.
Mr Kerr also says he was one of three Kincora children who were trafficked to London to be molested and raped in the Elm Guest House in Barnes and a flat in Pimlico's Dolphin Square where there is a further allegation that a young boy was murdered by a Tory MP.
In what is described as an "elite" VIP paedophile ring, those accused include the late Sir Cyril Smith MP, Cabinet ministers, spooks, judges, civil servants, royalty and all manner of celebrities including Jimmy Savile.
As Home Secretary, Leon Brittan failed to act on explosive information provided by the Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens; relevant files have gone missing from the Home Office.
A Church of England bishop has passed to the Home Secretary the names of Leo Abse and Willie Whitelaw, who are accused of child abuse, along with Enoch Powell who is also alleged to have been involved in satanic practices.
Sir Anthony Hart's historical institutional abuse inquiry is useless because of its limited powers. Naomi Long is among those who believe Theresa May's refusal to have Kincora included in the Westminster paedophile inquiry chaired by Judge Lowell Goddard is indefensible and that the judge's remit must be extended to include Northern Ireland and Scotland.
The Kincora scandal will run and run. Here, for what it's worth, is what I know and what I think.
Terrible things happened at Kincora.
It's possible that some members of MI5 were more concerned about protecting informants than protecting children. It's also possible that members of the RUC colluded by discouraging children from telling their stories.
But there's no evidence that the unionist MPs being gossiped about were paedophiles. Mostly they seemed to take great care to conduct their sex lives discreetly in London rather than running risks on their own doorsteps.
The Elm Guest House was some kind of brothel, but the list of VIPs in the visitors' book is obviously fraudulent. No one intent on law-breaking would sign their real names. For instance, the name followed by "Sinn Fein" would have been written by a devout anti-republican.
Dickens was a publicity-seeker; his information was mostly Press clippings. It's perfectly clear from correspondence that Leon Brittan acted properly and passed the material to the appropriate people.
There is nothing sinister about the disappearance of the files. Every year vast quantities of files thought to be unimportant were culled in every department by junior officials.
There's no evidence against most of the names being trailed as VIP abusers, including Abse, Powell and Whitelaw. Recent hysterical scares about satanic abuse were unfounded and did dreadful harm.
Judge Goddard's inquiry has been given such a ludicrously wide remit that it could take years and years. To add to it - as Labour have promised - would be to defer justice.
Sir Anthony Hart's inquiry has a manageable scope. If he lacks enough powers to do a proper job then, post-election, Northern Ireland MPs should lean on the new Home Secretary and get him what he needs.
If there's to be any chance of bringing the Kincora perpetrators to justice, we'd better be quick about it or they'll be all dead. In the meantime, let's not succumb to hysteria and conspiracy theories
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Kincora: The man who wants to lift the lid off one of the darkest secrets in Ulster's past
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Kincora: the name is a byword for the most notorious child sex scandal in Northern Ireland history. Whistleblower Colin Wallace has vowed to reveal all to the Historical and Institutional Abuse Inquiry. But is the former Army officer a Deep Throat or a Walter Mitty? Liam Clarke reports
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You know, if my parents were told all this was going on, they would never have believed it, Colin Wallace told me. What the 71-year-old former Ballymena Academy pupil is referring to is a half-world, lurking just below the surface of official Ulster life, with its rules and its proprieties.
This was a place where an intelligence agency might turn a blind eye to child abuse to get information from the perpetrators, where the government might launch black propaganda assaults against politicians and would plot the downfall of Ian Paisley as readily as Gerry Adams.
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Wallace himself wouldn't have believed it initially, but he has spent the past 40 years trying to lift the lid on the intelligence scandals which he says swept through Northern Ireland in the early 1970s. He has also spent it trying to clear his name after being wrongfully dismissed from his job in the Ministry of Defence and then wrongfully convicted of manslaughter.
The former officer is now negotiating to be allowed to tell all - and recover official documents from the 1970s to prove what he says - at the Historical and Institutional Abuse Inquiry, conducted by Anthony Hart QC.
Sir Anthony hopes to reach the Kincora Boys' Home sex abuse scandal, over which Wallace alleges a long-running cover-up, by the end of the year.
But is he a fantasist, a Walter Mitty character, as some former police and intelligence officers claim?
Colin John Wallace comes from a traditional unionist and service family from Randalstown in Co Antrim. The son of a member of the RAF who died of his war wounds in 1946, Mr Wallace himself was an "Army-barmy" teenager.
He served in the Territorial Army, the 'B' Specials and the Irish Guards and was seconded to the New Zealand SAS.
He was commissioned into the UDR (the locally recruited regiment of the British Army) with the rank of captain.
Wallace was trained as a psychological warfare expert and then appointed to the job of Army Press officer. That was his overt role, but he also worked for the secretive Information Policy Unit, which attempted to control politicians and paramilitaries by the use of propaganda.
Peter Broderick, head of Army information services in 1973, told the journalist Paul Foot how Wallace had "taken no leave for six years and worked 80 hours a week. He was relied on because he had a knowledge of the Irish situation which was unique in headquarters and surpassed that even of most of the intelligence branch.
"As time progressed, he was not only the main briefer for the Press, but also the advisor on Irish matters to the whole headquarters and, because of his personal talents, contributed much creative thought to the information policy unit.
"In order to do his job, he had constant and free access to information of the highest classification and extreme sensitivity."
Wallace still has sheafs of documents, which have been forensically shown to originate from the period. A large number of them give details of Operation Clockwork Orange, which was designed to manipulate the unionist community. The Rev Ian Paisley, for instance, was wrongly accused of having had homosexual relationships in a Bible school and of siphoning money off to Canada where, it was alleged, he intended to retire, leaving his followers to their fate after pushing Northern Ireland over the brink.
Wallace pumped out a steady stream of such stories to the media, often not knowing for sure if they were true or false.
One told how new types of IRA incendiary bombs could be set off by the static from nylon knickers in an effort to make republican women too frightened to carry them into the city centre concealed under their clothes. There were also attempts to split the UVF, accusing it of communist leanings.
It quickly became clear that one man, William McGrath, the house-father of Kincora, who was heavily involved in the sexual abuse of young boys, was an intelligence source for MI5.
At the time, MI5 was taking over from MI6 (which deals with spying abroad) as the lead intelligence agency in the Province and Ian Cameron was moved in from Berlin to take charge.
He warned Wallace and a number of other Army officers and intelligence sources off pursuing the matter.
As well as being a paedophile, McGrath headed Tara, a shadowy loyalist paramilitary group, which provided a valuable way into both the loyalist underworld and unionist politics.
He was also a lay preacher, whose known career as an abuser had started in the 1940s in Faith House, where he led prayer meetings and Bible classes.
Another loyalist abusing underage boys was John McKeague, the head of the illegal Red Hand Commandos, who also worked as a military intelligence agent.
Two other staff at Kincora, Joe Mains and Raymond Semple, were also involved in the abuse, but were not as brutal as McGrath, who liked to rape boys in the bathroom, or over the banisters.
"The Army broadly wanted it exposed, but it wasn't their main business. So efforts were made to alert the police and I was told to leak some details to the Press," Wallace said.
He did so, accusing McGrath of "homosexual activity" and giving his phone number. "In the first memo I gave to the Press, in 1973, there is a reference to Dr Maurice Fraser, who wrote a little piece about children in conflict. It is handwritten at the bottom.
"He was a psychiatrist in the Royal Victoria Hospital and he was eventually done for paedophile activities and he became one of the founder members of Paedophile Information Exchange. He was struck off the medical register.
"He was convicted in Canada, first of all, and then he was done here with a sort of sailing activity that was run with a group of paedophiles."
Wallace added: "I can't help thinking that, if that had been acted upon, five years of sex abuse would have been avoided at Kincora, and Frazer, who was an internationally active figure for years more, would have been stopped in his tracks."
Kincora did hit the newspapers in 1980, when Gerry Fitt, then the independent socialist MP for West Belfast, raised the issue in Westminster.
A police investigation quickly ensued and, as a result McGrath, Semple and Mains were all jailed and the home closed down.
Two of the officers who conducted that investigation are among Wallace's strongest critics, though they are urging him to tell all he knows and promising to help any lawful inquiry into Kincora themselves. They have asked to be given pseudonyms, so we will call them "Smith" and "Jones".
By the time officer "Jones" interviewed him, Wallace was in prison for the manslaughter of Jonathan Lewis, an antique dealer, with whose wife he was allegedly having an affair.
He had also been forced out of his job for leaking material to Robert Fisk, then The Times correspondent in Northern Ireland. All this was later overturned and he was compensated.
In 1990, the Government admitted to the Commons that the House had been "inadvertently misled". Archie Hamilton, then armed forces minister, confirmed that Wallace had, indeed, been given "responsibilities for providing unattributable covert briefings to the Press".
This meant that he had done nothing wrong in handing over classified documents to Fisk - just as he was acquitted of killing Jonathan Lewis.
Interviewing him in prison, though, the two RUC detectives didn't know he would be exonerated years later. They found him uncooperative and evasive during a three-hour interview. They felt he was so pernickety in seeking assurances that he wouldn't be prosecuted that he probably didn't know much in the first place.
"I put it very strongly to Wallace that he was a Walter Mitty; he knew nothing about Kincora. He could talk round things; he could say that Paisley was involved and other people were involved. But prove it? He would say, 'I'll tell you if you can get me out of this prison.' I then terminated the interview," officer Jones says.
Before this, the officers had brought the prisoner an assurance that he wouldn't be prosecuted from first the Ministry of Defence and then the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher.
"The assurance from Mrs Thatcher is reproduced in my autobiography.
"It said that I could give information to the RUC that was directly relevant to abuse at Kincora. They also said I could not give evidence that was not directly related to that," Wallace stated.
He added: "My solicitor was with me on every occasion I met the RUC and he said very, very clearly that I had no direct knowledge of sexual abuses, in the sense that I hadn't witnessed it happening.
"My information was based on intelligence.
"My argument is that the security forces knew what was going on, but did not act to stop it and that, to some extent, the Army tried to do something about it."
Over the years, information that has emerged has generally tended to fit in with Wallace's account. For instance, Brian Gemmell, a captain in military intelligence, reported McGrath to Ian Cameron and said he was warned off.
When James Miller, an agent within first Tara and then the UDA, reported it to his civilian handlers, he was promptly told to forget about it and leave Tara.
Roy Garland, second-in-command of Tara and a member of the UDR at the time, had also tried to raise the issue with the police and with Gemmell.
"The big question is who knew what and when. I am still in contact with the Hart inquiry and I hope, in the end, the full facts can be brought to light," Wallace said.
Home’s shadow has lingered for decades...
The Kincora Boys’ Home scandal first came to the public’s attention in 1980, after a report in the Irish Independent claimed that, in spite of allegations of abuse against its residents first surfacing in 1977, no prosecutions had taken place.
In April of that year, however, three members of staff from the Newtownards Road-based home — William McGrath, Raymond Semple and Joseph Mains — were charged with offences relating to the sexual abuse of children in their care over a number of years.
Mains, who had been the warden, was later sentenced to six years’ imprisonment, with Semple, an assistant warden, receiving a five-year sentence.
McGrath was jailed for four years.
It has since been claimed that high-profile members of society — including a Tory MP — were connected to the scandal.
It has also been alleged that UK security services also knew about the crimes, but did not act to stop them.
The home — which had been run under the authority of the then-Stormont Department of Health and Social Services — was opened in 1958 and had housed hundreds of vulnerable teenage boys and young men over its lifetime.
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MI5-MI6 ROYAL ARCH FREEMASONRY NETWORK
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MI5 AND THE KINCORA BOYS
The following is an extract from an article in Wakeup Magazine (full article at jackgrantham)
"For years, MI5 had been aware of a homosexual vice ring operating within the Kincora Boys Home in East Belfast, which was run by William McGrath, a notorious homosexual and leader of a strongly anti-Communist paramilitary organisation called Tara.
"McGrath was also a member of the Orange Order and of Ian Paisley's Free Presbyterian Church and was employed by MI5 since the mid 1960s.
"Amongst various other Loyalist members of the homosexual ring were John McKeague, who ran the Loyalist paramilitary organisation, the Red Hand Commandos, which was involved in many sectarian killings.
"When Loyalists threatened the Ulster Workers Council strike as a means of bringing down the power-sharing executive (the alliance of moderate Protestants and Catholic created by the Heath Government), Colin Wallace was instructed to leak intelligence reports on Kincora (as part of a project code-named Clockwork Orange 2) to put pressure on key people who MI5 believed had influence over the Loyalists.
"However, after a short time Wallace was told to stop 'because London had a change of mind and wanted the Ulster Workers Council Strike to succeed. I later discovered that this new strategy was part of the overall policy to discredit Harold Wilson in that the Sunningdale Agreement was a Conservative initiative and was now being seen to fail under Labour.'
"MI5 agent James Miller had infiltrated the UDA in the early 1970s, becoming one of its leading intelligence officers. He later revealed that senior MI5 officers had ordered him in early 1974 to 'get UDA men at grass roots level to start pushing for a strike. So I did.'
"So, MI5 allowed the ill-treatment and sexual abuse of residents at the Kincora Boys Home to continue; the Loyalist strike was allowed to proceed and there was a complete breakdown of law and order. The province was virtually taken over by Loyalist paramilitary organisations.
"Two days into the strike, Loyalist paramilitaries exploded car bombs in Dublin and Monaghan, killing thirty three civilians.
"The Loyalists responsible were members of the outlawed Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), some of whom were acting as undercover agents for Military Intelligence. The explosives, training and planning for the mission were given by the SAS. Key suspects known to the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) were never questioned about the massacre."
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MI5 NORTH WALES PAEDOPHILE RING
Scallywag Magazine alleged that MI5 used to take foreign diplomats to the North Wales homes, give them boys to "play" with, secretly filmed them as they buggered, abused and tortured boys then kept the tapes as evidence.
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