'Conspiracy Theory' Hatchet Jobs in Indie & Grauniad

[scienceplease 2]

Opportunity here to discuss 9/11 and MH17 in MSM...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-truth-about-conspiracy -theories-is-that-some-require-considering-9616863.html

It's the usual stuff - "it's demented to consider the white house was behind 9/11" etc - but with a new added spin.

[scienceplease 2]

But it looks like the comments section was taken down - it being overwhelming pro-9/11 truth and was hacking the nay-Sayers down into confetti.

[Whitehall_Bin_Men]

Conspiracy Theory #563788545
Censorship Fact #563788545
Comments have been removed ON PURPOSE
These days though that article will be up elsewhere - where people CAN comment
Information Clearing House
Infowars perhaps
Etc Etc
Would be interesting to see......

This "they are insane" type of hatchet job is standard fare these days as a way of attempting to counter a false flag using the perpetrators' enormous PsyOp & Strategic Communications media leverage.
"Oh no the Bloggers are making us look like a fascist media again..."

This after Boston Marathon Bombings blatant false flag by private security firm

Are conspiracy theories destroying democracy?
By Brian Wheeler
Politics reporter, BBC News
27 October 2013

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24650841

[Whitehall_Bin_Men]

Anyway - history is ours
Here's my top ten conspiracy facts
1 9/11,
2 7/7,
3 Diana,
4 David Kelly/WMD,
5 Jim Morrison,
6 British coup/Wilson plotters,
7 Savile/BBC,
8 Big Brother/Snowden,
9 Beeching,
10 Banksters/Bilderberg

[outsider]

I put two up; both got knocked back. I complained, and got very prompt, but unhelpful, replies:

''A fourth reason why conspiracy theories have such currency is that a proportion of them are true..' Well said, Mr. Cockburn!
Like, 'frinstance: Operation Northwoods; The Mena Connection: Bush, Clinton, and CIA drug smuggling in Arkansas; The Dreyfus Affair; MK-ULTRA; Operation Mockingbird; Asbestos cancer risk; Tobacco cancer risk; Watergate; The Tuskegee Syphilis Study; 1990 Testimony of Nayirah; COINTELPRO; The Iran-Contra Affair; The BCCI Scandal; CIA Drug Running in LA; The Gulf of Tonkin 'Incident'; The Business Plot 1933; July 20, 1944 Conspiracy to Assassinate Hitler; Iran Operation Ajax; Operation Snow White; Operation Gladio; The CIA Assassinates A Lot Of People (Church Committee); Bohemian Grove; Operation Paperclip; The Round Table; The Secret "Shadow" Government; The Monster from Jekyll Island - Federal Reserve; Reichstag Fire; Operation Himmler; 1967 Six-Day War attack on USS Liberty; Lavon Affair/Operation Susannah; Lee Harvey Oswald 'Lone assassin', to name just a few.
I think a better way of writing about 'Conspiracy Theories' would have been to write 'many' or 'most', rather than 'a proportion'.'

'There was one error in Ian Watson's excellent post - 'Operation Northwoods' did not call for a Jumbo to be crashed into an iconic US landmark - it called for a fake shoot-down over Cuban airspace of a drone aircraft, which was to be blown up by remote control over Cuban airspace after an automatic 'Mayday' being broadcast saying it was under attack from Cuban Migs. The 'passengers', US security personnel pretending to be 'US college students on a flight to a Latin American country for a vacation', were on another aircraft, identical to the drone, and landed at a nearby base after rendezvousing with the drone shortly after take-off. There were to be 'grieving relatives' at fake funerals, and Castro was to be blamed..'

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End of the day, poor old Cockburn got a hammering! I was surprised at the good comments on there! (While they lasted!).

[TonyGosling]

Guardian too in lock step today - why do the conspiracy theorists undermine our coming to conclusions without any evidence.....
Russians are all idiots, yeah right... uh
yeah, right big Mr G :-/

MH17: five of the most bizarre conspiracy theories
From Zionist plots to the Illuminati, some wildly imaginative alternatives are being promoted by the likes of Russian TV
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/22/mh17-five-bizarre -conspiracy-theories-zionist-plots-illuminati-russian-tv?CMP=twt_gu
Padraig Reidy - theguardian.com, Tuesday 22 July 2014 16.41 BST

There are several versions of the phrase: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” While the sentiment is not entirely applicable to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines’ flight MH17 over Ukraine – it seems impossible that there was no malice involved in bringing down a passenger plane carrying close to 300 people who had nothing to do with anyone’s conflict – it’s still worth holding in our thoughts as we try to get to grips with exactly what happened. Was this a c***-up or a conspiracy?

First, the c***-up. Russian-backed Ukrainian separatists gained access to a sophisticated Buk ground-to-air missile system, most likely via Russian channels. They were keen to shoot down Ukrainian planes. Unfortunately, they did not have the equipment or expertise to differentiate between civilian and military aircraft, and the result was the horrific death of MH17’s 298 innocent passengers.

This is still a crime, no doubt. But for some this is not enough. For various reasons, ranging from fear, to vanity, to hatred, people need an overarching theory. There must always be more to matters than meets the eye.

Here are five of the “alternative” explanations for the downing of MH17, in order of diminishing plausibility (not to suggest that any one of them is really plausible – but some are weirder than others).

1. The Ukrainians did it

Straightforward argument: The Ukrainian army should be the best-equipped force in Ukraine. It definitely has Buks, which Russia says it deployed near the separatist militia areas in advance of the attack. It shot down MH17 because…? That’s where this theory falls down. There is no reason why Ukraine, which already has significant sympathy from the international community, would jeopardise its position by senselessly attacking a civilian flight and hoping the blame would stick to Russia. But this is what the Russian military is hinting at with its series of questions to Kiev and Washington released this week.

2. It was the Ukrainians, attempting to shoot down Vladimir Putin

Russia’s Interfax agency reported excitedly after the attack that MH17 and Vladimir Putin’s presidential jet had been flying roughly the same trajectory. What’s more, the planes bore strikingly similar markings, with red and blue horizontal stripes on a white fuselage. Could it be the missile was intended for the Russian president?

Seems unlikely. Putin’s plane, flying home from a conference in Rio, was not scheduled to fly over Ukraine. Though the paths of the planes did briefly cross, that was apparently near Warsaw. Also, see 1. Unless Ukraine was hellbent on all-out war with Russia, there would be no reason to do this.

3. MH17 was shot down to conceal the truth about HIV/Aids

MH17: Flowers laid at sign for 20th International Aids conference in Melbourne
Flowers are laid as tributes to the Aids researchers killed in the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, at the base of a large sign for the 20th International AIDS Conference in Melbourne. Photograph: Stringer/Reuters
This is the point where the theories go from “interesting but unlikely” into “Oh. Right.”

Early reports of the disaster suggested over 100 people working in the field of HIV/Aids research, en route to a major international conference in Melbourne, had perished. When a clearer picture emerged, this was revised down to seven. No less horrific for those who perished or their friends and family, but perhaps less grist to the mill of those who speculated that the plane had been shot down to prevent a cure for Aids being revealed. Apparently, the “global elite” is keen to stop us learning about the cure for Aids, as it wants to depopulate the Earth. It seems fair to say that the global elite is not doing a very good job at this.

4. It was Israel

Speaking of “global elites”, if one delves far enough (ie not very far at all) into the conspiracy pool, one will quickly find talk of “globalists”, “internationalists”, “banksters” and “Zionists”.

The coincidence of the MH17 shooting with the latest outbreak of conflict in Israel/Palestine has provided perfect explanations for many who see the puppetmaster Zionist running everything. Curiously, they never say “Jews run the world” anymore. It is always couched in euphemism. Perhaps this is progress of a sort. But it still means you get to blame Israel for any event anywhere ever.

One theory, put forward by James Henry Fetzer of Veterans Today in an interview on Iran’s Press TV, is that Benjamin Netanyahu was behind the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 in March. That plane was then hidden, possibly in Diego Garcia. When the Israeli bombardment of Gaza began, the plane was given new identification numbers and then flown over Ukraine, to be shot down by Ukrainian forces, backed by Nato, which backs Israel, which controls the world and is attempting to undermine Russia, the “last bastion” of the white race against the neocons and Zionists, as former BNP leader Nick Griffin called it in his recent resignation statement.

5. The “Illuminati” did it

Symbol of the The Bavarian Illuminati secret society.
Symbol of the The Bavarian Illuminati secret society. Photograph: Apic/Getty Images
The Illuminati, who have apparently been secretly running the world since the 18th century, usually in association with the globalists, the neocons, the Rothschild-Zionists etc shot down the plane. For all sorts of reasons. The useful thing about the Illuminati is that, despite being supposedly highly secretive, they leave clues absolutely everywhere all the time, from the symbolism on US bank notes to Rihanna (apparently Illuminati herself) throwing Illuminati hand gestures in videos. That is the other great thing about the Illuminati. Almost everyone you’ve ever heard of is in on it.

The Illuminati apparently have a thing for the number seven. So is it any coincidence that MH17, a Boeing 777 was shot down in the seventh month of 2014? Look at all the sevens and multiples thereof! It’s obvious!

We may laugh at these theories, but it’s worth remembering that they are being pushed by the likes of Press TV and Russia’s RT, both government-run channels for serious international players. It is easy at first glance to see why Russia has an interest in obscuring the truth about the horror of MH17 with a barrage of nonsense: Moscow has lost control of the situation in east Ukraine, and the last thing an autocrat such as Putin can admit to is that the monster of his making is not at his command.

But the formulation of conspiracy theories about MH17 is not isolated. Some of us like to believe these theories because the alternative is the terrifying idea that no one really knows what they’re doing; some because it lets us feel superior to others who have never even thought to gaze behind the curtain; some believe conspiracy theories give them a revolutionary edge, in spite of the fact that the vast majority of them come from profoundly reactionary places. And some theories on “Zionists”, “globalists” et al, come from a place of hatred and violence.

It is no good to say they are merely “alternative” ways of looking at the world, as some of their defenders will counter. There is reality and there is fantasy. We cannot engage with the world, or hope to improve it, without first knowing the true state of things. Conspiracy theories destroy any hope of that.

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[TonyGosling]

Nafeez Ahmed, author of THE book on 7/7 has, it appears, been temporarily dropped from the Guardian over Gaza.
http://www.theguardian.com/profile/nafeez-ahmed
After a series of truly blockbuster articles everything has ground to a halt for him at the G.
Not elsewhere though where he has been blazing away in his usual BRILLIANT form
http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/israels-attack-gaza-culmination-66-year s-settler-colonialism/

Now, I think, we have a good idea why that might be.
With such loaded language headlines as 'wildly imaginative' we know the Guardian is gunning for the new war with Russia just like it did with Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and all those other success stories that have led to the UK being one of the least trusted nations on the planet. The Russians, however, are trusted far more around the world and it's articles like this that explain why.

[TonyGosling]

Missed this - we're not supposed to notice - amazing - G and I editors commissioning this kind of article, then blocking comments, has now become concrete evidence of a false flag
Perhaps that's why Parubiy has just resigned? 'Cos he authorised the downing both by Buk missile and SU25 or SU27 AAM and/or cannon?

Ukraine's security chief, Andriy Parubiy, has submitted his resignation. The NSDC head noted that he "will continue to assist the front, primarily volunteer battalions."
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/08/07/Ukraines-security-ch ief-Andriy-Parubiy-resigns/7591407426709/

This one broken down just as fast as the Boston marathon bombing

Malaysia accuses US and EU backed Ukraine regime of MH17 shoot-down
http://4bitnews.com/world-at-war/malaysia-accuses-us-eu-backed-ukraine -regime-mh17-shoot/

[TonyGosling]

This specific Guardian piece increasingly obvious as a crude attempt to cover up the shooting down of Malaysian MH17 in Ukraine.
The guy works at Index On Censorship which Frances Stonor Saunders' 'The Cultural Cold War' book says is a CIA target - and infiltrated.

Quote:

Padraig Reidy is a freelance writer. His work has featured in the Guardian, the Observer, the Irish Times, Index on Censorship, New Humanist and more http://www.theguardian.com/profile/padraigreidy

BOY are they showing out

MH17: five of the most bizarre conspiracy theories
From Zionist plots to the Illuminati, some wildly imaginative alternatives are being promoted by the likes of Russian TV
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/22/mh17-five-bizarre -conspiracy-theories-zionist-plots-illuminati-russian-tv
Padraig Reidy - theguardian.com, Tuesday 22 July 2014 16.41 BST