Jay Ref Posting Log

[IronSnot]

[Jay Ref]

[Johnny Pixels]

[Jay Ref]

[TimmyG]

funny how you need the help of an educational foundation set up by a magician to decide whats evidence and whats not.

most people just use their eyes and brains.

[Johnny Pixels]

[Jay Ref]

[chipmunk stew]

[TimmyG]

if you're about evidence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahv3VdknyZ4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fs15%2Einv isionfree%2Ecom%2FLoose%5FChange%5FForum%2Findex%2Ephp%3Fshowtopic%3D1 0178%26hl%3D

even the keane commission don't believe the official story
is a new independent investigation into 9/11 really so out of the question?

and CS.. you've raised some good points on here.. but how can you stick up for jref went he spouts such boll0cks!? he discredits people who believe the official story like yourself

[Jay Ref]

[TimmyG]

[Johnny Pixels]

[TimmyG]

so you're saying that a video of CNN reporting on a book published by keane and hamilton, saying that the FAA and NORAD lied.... is not evidence that keane and hamilton are saying that the FAA and NORAD are lying?

[Johnny Pixels]

[Johnny Pixels]

[Andrew Johnson]

[Jay Ref]

[TimmyG]

The point i'm making is that JREF barks at us telling us that we're stupid for questioning the official story.. when there are so many obvious flaws in it! even the commission itself is admitting it. no this isn't proof that it was an inside job.. it is one piece of a very large body of evidence (or unusual coincidences if you like) which points to government complicity.

i believe 9/11 was an inside job from doing my own research. yes i have watched loose change and other similar documentaries.. i don't believe all the speculations they make are the truth.

i believe 9/11 was an inside job because:

there is such a small probabilty of buildings collapsing at near freefall speed from fire.. the first 3 in history collapse on 9/11... wtc7 wasn't hit by a plane and its collapse is undeniably similar to that of a controlled demolition. i find the official explanation for its collapse unbelievable (well there is no explanation. only a hypothesis with a low probability of occurance)

insider trading... put options of a value too high to be co-incidence or part of an unconnected 'trading stradegy'

able danger had information on all the hijackers before hand and were isolating it. i don't believe kurt weldon and others would make stuff like this up. they have nothing to gain by doing so.

the hijackers being identified so quickly.. they said bin laden was behind it.. and yet still the fbi says there is no hard evidence to suggest it was.

strange occurances in the media in response to 9/11 conspiracy theories. stories about charlie sheen being a gay, druggie, pedophile .. wildly exagerating stuff that happened to him years ago.. some of these stories didn't even mention 9/11. completely barmy if the government has nothing to hide.
The BBC asserting that people not believing the official story 'were very small in number' several times during a segment on the pentagon video release. recent polls show that this is clearly not the case. and why the reporter felt the need to say it was is again, unusual if those accused have nothing to hide.

NIST saying that they will not meet the 9/11 scholars for truth collective for a discussion UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! why? if there report is truthful and conclusive what are they worried about. why not have a discussion? no-one can deny the unlikeliness of the near-freefall collapse of wtc1,2 and 7.

Bush saying publically 'let us never tollerate outrageous conspiracy theories about the events of 9/11'!! why the * would he say this if theres no reason to doubt the official story?!

PNACs documents clearly say that an attack like this would be beneficial to them. they also would be the people capable of (atleast) allowing an attack to happen.. conducting war games as a distraction from real events. more war games on 9/11 than ever in history.

dick cheney preventing flight 77 (or whatever it was) from being intercepted.

An unidentified passer by finding a passport of one of the hijackers on the street is part of the evidence for the official story. a passport which fell out of the plane and was found by someone who calmly handed it to a police officer amist all the chaos? pretty strange. shame the person wasn't identified (or convenient you might say).

sibel edmonds being obscructed from investigating evidence relating to alkaeda. other FBI people have suffered the same unusual obstructions including Harry Samit, who prior to 9/11, tried to warn his superiors of information about a terrorist attack 70 times

After looking at all this i think it's probable that an element of the US goverment had some involvement in it.
For me there are too many strange co-incidences for it not to be an inside job of some sort. i don't see any merit in the argument 'they would never do such a thing' whatsoever.. these people wouldn't have to think twice about it if they knew they could get away with it. and they have

[Jay Ref]

[TimmyG]

i am trying to download it but the link isn't working for me.

i went on the forum and from what i could see the argument in opposition to controlled demolition was simply.. 'how did they get the explosives in there? I know of no-one who saw the demo team.. so it wasn't a demolition'.. which doesn't adress the physics of the collapse

[Johnny Pixels]

[The Watcher]

Jay Ref - Performance Update

Joined Forum: 20th July 2006

Total Posts as at 9.20pm Thurs 10th August 2006 = 255

Average posts per 'working day' = 15

Date: ----1st Post----Last Post
10/8----1.51pm----9.07pm

This self-confessed resident of Woodbridge, Virginia (close to Quantico), whose cover story is that he is employed as a Network Engineer for a Power Company, continues to serve up the shill-drivel.

He must have had his ass kicked this morning as he served up a total 25 posts before checking out for lunch (literally, rather than metaphorically!) at 6.55pm; returning to his desk at 7:55pm. The pressure of the morning session apparently took its toll, as he was only able to serve up 7 posts before signing off at 9:07pm.

Jay Ref, whether your paycheck comes via the US Govt, the James Randi Educational Foundation or some other front company, it is evident that you have prostituted your soul to your Ahrimanic paymasters.

Suffice to say that your presence on this forum is indicative of the fact that the 9/11 Truth Campaign is regarded as rather more than a bunch of eccentrics by your paymasters.

The more you (and your less experienced co-horts) continue to post, the more satisfaction we can take that the 9/11 Truth Campaign is making real in-roads into the western psyche.

Your continued presence heightens the sense of true progress.

The Watcher

[Johnny Pixels]

[brian]

The implosion World assertion that CD theories are impossible does not deal with the reality of what happened. It is a Popular Mechanics type hit piece, nothing more.

A brief look shows for example they claim CD is disproved because the collapse starts at the impact points. This ignores what even FEMA noted -

Early Drop of North Tower Antenna



The official FEMA 9-11 report admits a striking anomaly regarding the North Tower collapse:

Review of videotape recordings of the collapse taken from various angles indicates that the transmission tower on top of the structure began to move downward and laterally slightly before movement was evident at the exterior wall. This suggests that collapse began with one or more failures in the central core area of the building. (FEMA, 2002, chapter 2

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

The waffle around Professor Jones and thermate is amusing, nothing more.

[Gravy]

[paul wright]

Abuse these dolts and see how they try to re-engage you
Or rather just abuse them
They aren't worth a minute of engagement
That's why I'm trying to keep it all below 30 secs
Anything more is a waste of time
Damn - a whole minute

[The Watcher]

Despite the fact that he is not in the same league as Jay Ref, Johnny is trying to make a name for himself,

53 BS posts in 24hrs

What a prize *.

Get a frickin' life, Johnny!

The Watcher
Sorry dh, that took about 1min ... but that's my lot for today.

[paul wright]

good service watcher =15 secs

[Dr Hemp]

I shouldn't worry too much about Jay Reg et al; they have not been able to come up with any credible reasons why we shouldn't doubt the official version of events for 911. The majority of lurkers will see this too, so in that sense, these trolls even serve a purpose.

If they were able to provide credible reasons why we should believe the official version of events then I wouldn’t even come to this forum and I doubt many others would either. I’m sure most of us have better things to do with our lives than exposing the lies and agenda of psychopathic maniacs like Bu$h and Bliar, but as we live on this rock and care for all its inhabitants, we feel obliged to get involved with this very important campaign.

I actually find it quite an inconvenience to devote so many hours of my life trying to save the planet from the Neo Cons and the New World Order, and I look forward to them being tried and locked up in The Hague for war crimes, so I can get back to playing the guitar, writing music, reading and chilling with my family.

Regards,

Dr Hemp.

[DeFecToR]

Listen Chipmunk. I was truly expecting to get a decent level of analytical problem solving with you on the subject of the Israeli dancers and spyring. Your initial answer that it bares no importance on 911 has pretty much completely let me down. I really thought you were someone who would explore differant ideas when searching for answers.

As for this;