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DeFecToR
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:50 am Post subject: Steven E. Jones Answers to Objections and Questions

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/AnsQJones1.pdf

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..transmission electron micrograph of a sol-gel incorporating Fe2O3/Al (thermite) nanocomposites illustrates the extremely fine mixing of ultrafine aluminum and iron oxide.

But sol-gels to hold the thermite might leave telltale residue, 1,3-diphenlypropane (1,3-DPP)… http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/CC/article.asp?doi=b310405b: “Pore size effects in the pyrolysis of 1,3-diphenylpropane confined in mesoporous silicas”

Analysis of the WTC dust showed:

“One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": • “1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," Swartz said.” • http://www.newsday.com/news/health/nyhsair0911,0,471193.story?coll=ny- homepage-right-area http://oaspub.epa.gov/eims/xmlreport.display?deid=62021&z_chk=65088

• Large amounts of 1,3 diphenylpropane strongly suggest the high-tech sol-gel thermite arson used on the WTC buldings.

You critics are going to have a VERY hard time debunking this.

I suggest you follow rules 2, 5, 7, 9, 13, 17, 18, 19, 23 and most importantly rule 25 of the 25 Rules of Disinformation.
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DeFecToR
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:49 am Post subject:

Any takers yet? Come on guys!! HOW DID IT GET THERE???? I want to hear an answer. _________________ "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." -William James

TimmyG
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:53 am Post subject:

patience defector! Jay Refs gotta check through his james randi instruction sheet first! _________________ "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"

The Watcher
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: Jay Ref

Timmy G wrote:

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patience defector!

Jay Refs gotta check through his james randi instruction sheet first!

Hey Timmy, don't forget that Jay Ref doesn't Clock On until 2pm (UK time)!

www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=3072

I reckon he/she is in for a real bad 'day at the office'!

Mind you, with an ego of planetary proportions and his head is so far up his butt that he can lick his tonsils, he'll probably just go deeper into his already advanced state of cognitive dissonance .... and post another bunch of junk!

Whats the bet? Will he exceed 14 junk posts today ...or will his supervisor ream his ass for being exposed?

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Jay Ref
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Jay Ref

The Watcher wrote:

Timmy G wrote:

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patience defector!

Jay Refs gotta check through his james randi instruction sheet first!

Wrong again! I'm having a marvelous day! I won the early tournament @ East Coast Billiards last night. That's Texas Hold'em...over 200 people in this tourney! And I won it!!

Winning east coast is a big deal, it runs the biggest poker tourneys in the state. (BTW, I took Stan Poczatek out at the next to last table last night! He was buying drinks for everyone...nice guy...but hey, I had the flush!)

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DeFecToR
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Jay Ref

Jay Ref wrote:

OH MY GOODNESS!!

Wow man. That is impressive debunking. I....feel....all....ashamed for even suggesting that arabs didnt do 911.

Great work Jay Ref!!
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Jay Ref
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Jay Ref

DeFecToR wrote:

Jay Ref wrote:

OH MY GOODNESS!!

Wow man. That is impressive debunking. I....feel....all....ashamed for even suggesting that arabs didnt do 911.

Great work Jay Ref!!

Oh...sorry...you want the 9/11 CT debunk?

Here ya go: http://www.implosionworld.com/WTC%20COLLAPSE%20STUDY%20BBlanchard%208- 8-06.pdf

Gee, that was easy....glad to help...

So DeFecToR, you play poker??
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Johnny Pixels
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Steven E. Jones Answers to Objections and Questions

DeFecToR wrote:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/AnsQJones1.pdf

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You critics are going to have a VERY hard time debunking this.

I suggest you follow rules 2, 5, 7, 9, 13, 17, 18, 19, 23 and most importantly rule 25 of the 25 Rules of Disinformation.

From the third link:

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In addition, the compound 1,3-diphenyl propane [1',1'-(1,3-propanediyl)bis-benzene] is found in significant concentrations. This species has not previously been reported from ambient sampling. It has been associated with polyvinyl chloride materials, which are believed to be in abundance at the WTC site. These emissions lasted for over three weeks (9/26/01-10/20/01) after the initial destruction of the WTC.

Polyvinyl chloride eh? That's PVC - Plastic. Funny how a residue associated with PVC should be found at a site where there was an abundance of PVC.

That was tricky debunking that.

chipmunk stew
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject:

DeFecToR wrote:

Any takers yet?

Come on guys!! HOW DID IT GET THERE????

I want to hear an answer.

I'm no chemist or materials engineer, but the last link you quoted says

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In addition, the compound 1,3-diphenyl propane ... is found in significant concentrations. ... It has been associated with polyvinyl chloride materials, which are believed to be in abundance at the WTC site.

In layman's terms, that's PVC. As in PVC piping.

Jones has a long way to go before he rules out mundane sources for these trace materials he's scrapping together into an elaborate demolition hypothesis.

edit: I was having trouble downloading the Shill Manual, JP, otherwise I would have beaten you to it.

DeFecToR
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:14 am Post subject:

Er, no. Sorry guys but that wont cut it. I think it would be a stretch to say that there was enough PVC at the site to justify the levels recorded. It does however fit rather nicely with the CD theory. As does the sulfur, Iron, flourine and manganese found at the site. _________________ "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." -William James

Johnny Pixels
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:03 am Post subject:

DeFecToR wrote:

Er, no. Sorry guys but that wont cut it. I think it would be a stretch to say that there was enough PVC at the site to justify the levels recorded.

It does however fit rather nicely with the CD theory. As does the sulfur, Iron, flourine and manganese found at the site.

Probably every single piece of wire was insulated with PVC, monitors have PVC casings, computer motherboards often contain PVC, fax machines, printers, photocopiers, flooring, carpets, seating, bottles, shoes, bags, clothing, ring binders, folders etc

How much PVC were you expecting to find?

Sulfur occurs in (shock) plastics and (horror) fuel, both jet and petrol/diesel. There were cars in the underground garage were there not? Iron is used in the construction of buildings, and cars. Most magnets are made from iron, magnets that are present in TVs, videos, monitors, diskdrives, car starter motors, lift motors etc

Manganese is added to petrol (remember the garage?), stanless steel, aluminium alloys (remember the building coated with aluminium?), used as protection for steel (remember the steel frame?), used in paint, in glass, in disifectant as pottasium permanganate.

Flourine is used in steel and aluminium production, laundry detergents, and yes, New York has flouridated water.

You have to eliminate all these things before the chemicals start getting suspicious.

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