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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If anyone from MI5 is wasting their time reading the drivel posted here then I'm William of Wales.

No you're not, Jay.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If Shayler says Tomlinson is still part of 'six' and it turns out that Tomlinson is not part of 'six', would this not indicate that Shayler may still be part of 'five' or indeed even 'six'?

Tomlinson has been hounded from Britain to France, New Zealand, Australia, the US, Switzerland, Russia and now back to France again. It seems unlikely with that level of hounding (and a real problem trying to get his book published - eventually he had to do that in Russia) that he is still part of 'six'.

Sorry this gives me some doubts about Shayler.


Just posted this:

http://tinyurl.com/evgqc

Tomlinson in recent weeks was seen using a 'donate' system on his [now pulled] blog space to ask for cash as his is broke.

Now this is either some sort of bizzare psy-op [yeah right, fairly pointless one] or it demonstrates the fact he cannot get any work/funds due to constant hounding and of course the usual CIA tactic of wiping defector assets wholesale.

I've not read what DS said with regard to this episode but from research I've done RT seems like he's had vast targetting by the transnational covert security services to remove evidence he has and prevent disclosure of more material.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In agreement with you utopiated. I noticed his site has gone down recently too. The posts on his blog were always of some interest, but his problems seem severe. No radio shows for Richard - although it would be great to get him on air, hmm I wonder.....

Annie did you ever post to his blog?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyb wrote:
Paul Stott, you my friend are a hypocrite. How the hell can you say the movement is funded around sales, throw accusations around and then provide us with a link to your own rag that has to be bought. Most 9/11 truthers who produce films encourage free copying and distribution, hardly the work of a capitalist.

If Dave and Annie are still working for the security services I, for one, hope they send in some more as they are doing a great job for us.


Andy - When printers print Notes From the Borderland for free, and the Post Office distribute it for free, the magazine will be free. You might not have not noticed, but sadly we are yet to achieve socialism in the world.

As for hypocrisy, it is David Shayler and Annie Machon who have adopted entirely new positions on 9/11, whilst also having ever changing views on the death of Princess Diana, Al-Qaeda involvement in the plot of kill Colonel Gadaffi by MI6, the infiltration of Class War by MI5, the credibility of ex-MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson, whether ex-trades unionist Jack Jones was a Soviet spy...........

I could go on, but the stupidity of the last line of your post suggests it would be wasted on you.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul, you may not have noticed, but the 9/11 Truth Campaign manages to distribute DVDs and other material for free or a voluntary donation. As a movement we are by no means rich, but we believe it is more important to get the truth out to as many people as possible, rather than see it as a profit-making exercise. If you believe in your message passionately enough, perhaps you should follow our example.

I’m not going to get involved in a lengthy debate with a micro-magazine from the lunatic fringe, but I will make a couple of points to set the record straight for members of this forum.

In case NFB has not noticed, David has been subject to a draconian injunction throughout his case that has made getting his disclosures out a very haphazard process. Sometimes the government partially cleared a story, but insisted on removing the killer fact and then span against David; sometimes journos were courageous and published anyway and have, in certain cases been threatened and prosecuted for it; sometimes they could not even take down basic facts accurately, as we saw in the reporting of David’s conviction under the Official Secrets Act; and sometimes new evidence has emerged over the last 9 years which adds to our understanding and has meant we have reassessed what we knew first hand, as in the Diana case.

Similarly, by the time I finished my book in 2003, I had yet to examine the 9/11 evidence – we’d had one or two other things to concentrate on, such as a two-year long OSA trial. Now, it is perfectly clear to me that 9/11, and possibly a whole series of “Al Qaeda” terrorist attacks since, continues a pattern of false-flag, state-sponsored terrorism which we saw in MI5 and on which we blew the whistle. Again, this is just the assimilation of new information.

This does not make us hypocrites. It merely shows we try to keep an open mind when presented with new information. Something that our accusers would do well to emulate.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PaulStott wrote:

Andy - When printers print Notes From the Borderland for free, and the Post Office distribute it for free, the magazine will be free. You might not have not noticed, but sadly we are yet to achieve socialism in the world.


My point in this thread was that you claim that David and Annie are into 9/11 truth for money THEN try and sell this information to 9/11 truth. Thus you are a hypocrite on that point. Put it online for free if you have anything of substance (which i doubt). Simple solution.
As you appear to hold disdain for all us 'conspiraloons' i cannot understand why you give a toss what happens to 9/11 truth. All this is just a personal vendetta. Someones scratched yer ego and you ought to let it go cos it isnt healthy imo. A definite stalking vibe...

I have read a post on the Mark Thomas forum equally riddled with negativity from a colleague of yours. For editors of "the UK's best paprapolitcal magazine" those involved exhibit a surprising focus considering where this world is heading right now...

PaulStott wrote:
As for hypocrisy, it is David Shayler and Annie Machon who have adopted entirely new positions on 9/11, whilst also having ever changing views on the death of Princess Diana, Al-Qaeda involvement in the plot of kill Colonel Gadaffi by MI6, the infiltration of Class War by MI5, the credibility of ex-MI6 officer Richard Tomlinson, whether ex-trades unionist Jack Jones was a Soviet spy...........


Adopting new positions isnt hypocrisy, changing views isnt hypocrisy, perhaps that is as a result of learning and being open to change?
Perhaps you ought to try it? Old paradigms are dead.
Everyone is entitled to change and even the Mr Pixels types on this forum would be welcomed with open arms if they decided to embrace truth rather than spending all their time obscuring/denying it. All this is about way more than individuals...

PaulStott wrote:
I could go on, but the stupidity of the last line of your post suggests it would be wasted on you.


You obviously had problems understanding what was meant by that last line. Did you follow any of the links I provided - MIND THE GAP?
Calling for an investigation into the terrorist involvement of the intelligence services/falseflags etc can hardly be the work of the intelligence services can it? If it were it would be from the side of those services that is committed to truth. Hence AndyB's comment. If they are still operatives (highly unlikely imo) then send some more truth loving operatives please as they are doing a very good job.

Its not surprising that you failed to grasp this. You wrote this to me
"Actually someone else said they "know nothing about Shayler", not me. Read IronSnot's postings again..........."

Which was completely wrong as I was replying to IronSnot, it was obvious. If you really produce "the UK's best paprapolitcal magazine" one would think you would be able to dissect a simple thread such as this, and errm spell.
Not a good sign of your perception or intelligence, and yet you call others stupid...

This link:
http://www.libcom.org/library/david-shayler-class-war-left-groups

Proves nothing. It says nothing of what they do now.
For what its worth I feel that one can never know for sure if/when someone has left intelligence as deception is the bread and butter of those organisations and yet what they say often marries with what i already know, what they have done this past year has been highly commendable and its just not the vibe i get from them at all even though i havent met them yet.
I remember reading on infowars when David came out with his beliefs on 9/11 and I have enjoyed listening to his insight and positivity since then. They seem like lovely people to me whereas you just appear negative.
As i said "This is a decentralised campaign so everyone follows their own convictions." So it matters not anyway... Smile

All this is about way more than individuals...

Surely you are wasting your time here with us moronic conspiraloons. Thanks for representing us all as such to your readership. You have a platform that could be good if you were into researching the truth and not attacking individuals or relying on oft-repeated mantras which 'conspiraloon' most certainly is - its a mantra of the 'controlled left'.
Considering this focus it wouldnt be out of the question that is YOU who is an operative. Those who focus on messengers are more likely to be such than those who focus on the message.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the infiltration of Class War by MI5

This one is of some interest to me. Annie, did you ever know of a prick called Thor Halland?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Randomly Off topic but

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Please can I liberate it for my own use?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IronSnot wrote:
PaulStott wrote:
the infiltration of Class War by MI5

This one is of some interest to me. Annie, did you ever know of a prick called Thor Halland?


Hi Ironsnot

Are you aware that by the simple act of asking this question, you have broken Section 1.5 of the UK's Official Secrets Act and could face two years in prison? It's that easy to become a criminal in the UK! But as you are in Oz, I presume that's not scaring you too much.

Anyway, the simple answer is that I've never heard the name before in my life.

Regards

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annie wrote:
Are you aware that by the simple act of asking this question, you have broken Section 1.5 of the UK's Official Secrets Act

I didn't ask if he was a MI5 agent, I just asked you if you knew him.

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