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xmasdale
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 Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: Craig Murray's analysis |
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Rory Winter has sent us this
August 14, 2006
The UK Terror plot: what's really going on?
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/index.html
I have been reading very carefully through all the Sunday newspapers to try and analyse the truth from all the scores of pages claiming to detail the so-called bomb plot. Unlike the great herd of so-called security experts doing the media analysis, I have the advantage of having had the very highest security clearances myself, having done a huge amount of professional intelligence analysis, and having been inside the spin machine.
So this, I believe, is the true story.
None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time.
In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat rooms.
What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for over a year - like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early arrests.
Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes - which, rather extraordinarily, had not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort to stop or avert torture. What it doesn't give is the truth.
The gentleman being "interrogated" had fled the UK after being wanted for questioning over the murder of his uncle some years ago. That might be felt to cast some doubt on his reliability. It might also be felt that factors other than political ones might be at play within these relationships. Much is also being made of large transfers of money outside the formal economy. Not in fact too unusual in the British Muslim community, but if this activity is criminal, there are many possibilities that have nothing to do with terrorism.
We then have the extraordinary question of Bush and Blair discussing the possible arrests over the weekend. Why? I think the answer to that is plain. Both in desperate domestic political trouble, they longed for "Another 9/11". The intelligence from Pakistan, however dodgy, gave them a new 9/11 they could sell to the media. The media has bought, wholesale, all the rubbish they have been shovelled.
We then have the appalling political propaganda of John Reid, Home Secretary, making a speech warning us all of the dreadful evil threatening us and complaining that "Some people don't get" the need to abandon all our traditional liberties. He then went on, according to his own propaganda machine, to stay up all night and minutely direct the arrests. There could be no clearer evidence that our Police are now just a political tool. Like all the best nasty regimes, the knock on the door came in the middle of the night, at 2.30am. Those arrested included a mother with a six week old baby.
For those who don't know, it is worth introducing Reid. A hardened Stalinist with a long term reputation for personal violence, at Stirling Univeristy he was the Communist Party's "Enforcer", (in days when the Communist Party ran Stirling University Students' Union, which it should not be forgotten was a business with a very substantial cash turnover). Reid was sent to beat up those who deviated from the Party line.
We will now never know if any of those arrested would have gone on to make a bomb or buy a plane ticket. Most of them do not fit the "Loner" profile you would expect - a tiny percentage of suicide bombers have happy marriages and young children. As they were all under surveillance, and certainly would have been on airport watch lists, there could have been little danger in letting them proceed closer to maturity - that is certainly what we would have done with the IRA.
In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. Of the over one thousand British Muslims arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, only twelve per cent are ever charged with anything. That is simply harrassment of Muslims on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% are acquitted. Most of the very few - just over two per cent of arrests - who are convicted, are not convicted of anything to do terrorism, but of some minor offence the Police happened upon while trawling through the wreck of the lives they had shattered.
Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| This is kind of moderate sensible analysis that is nowhere to be found in the mainstream media. |
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Shoestring
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: John Reid a thug? |
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Does anyone know more about this, from Murray's article? This is his description of Home Secretary John Reid:
| Quote: | | A hardened Stalinist with a long term reputation for personal violence, at Stirling Univeristy he was the Communist Party's "Enforcer", (in days when the Communist Party ran Stirling University Students' Union, which it should not be forgotten was a business with a very substantial cash turnover). Reid was sent to beat up those who deviated from the Party line. " |
If this is true, then Reid should not be high up in the government like he is, especially considering that he's thought by some to be a potential succesor to Blair. |
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kbo234
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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The Pakistani secret services connection to the current 'bomb plot' indicates ever more strongly that this is a bogus alert.
You will remember that Pakistani intelligence sent $100 000 to Mohammed Attah the day before 9/11 and the individual who sent it was sitting in an office beside George Tenet, the CIA director, on the morning of 9/11.
.......so we can trust these guys, eh? |
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| Quote: | | If this is true, then Reid should not be high up in the government like he is, especially considering that he's thought by some to be a potential succesor to Blair. |
Reid may be a communist thug but I bet he knows ALL the handshakes! |
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Shoestring
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: John Reid |
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| Leiff wrote: | | Reid may be a communist thug but I bet he knows ALL the handshakes! |
Yep, he must be getting a helping hand from somewhere.
But this is an outrage! This (former) violent thug is responsible for law and order in Britain, and claims to be the man to keep us all safe from our "enemies." And some consider him to be a possible successor to Tony Blair. If what Murray says about him is correct, then the public needs to know about it. |
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xmasdale
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:47 am Post subject: Re: Craig Murray's analysis |
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| xmasdale wrote: |
Craig Murray wrote:
For those who don't know, it is worth introducing Reid. A hardened Stalinist with a long term reputation for personal violence, at Stirling Univeristy he was the Communist Party's "Enforcer", (in days when the Communist Party ran Stirling University Students' Union, which it should not be forgotten was a business with a very substantial cash turnover). Reid was sent to beat up those who deviated from the Party line.
Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical. |
Though Craig Murray as a former diplomat has probably checked his facts, we should not fall into the trap of trusting him and thereby possibly propagating disinformation. We need to check if this allegation is true.
Any ideas on how to do this?
A number of Labour party politicians have Communist Party backgrounds and that does not necessarily disqualify them from changing their political positions in later life. I believe Dennis Healy was one and Peter Mandelson was in the Young Communist League as a teenager, but never the CP itself, or so he told me.
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Shoestring
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Craig Murray's analysis |
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| xmasdale wrote: | Though Craig Murray as a former diplomat has probably checked his facts, we should not fall into the trap of trusting him and thereby possibly propagating disinformation. We need to check if this allegation is true.
Any ideas on how to do this?
A number of Labour party politicians have Communist Party backgrounds and that does not necessarily disqualify them from changing their political positions in later life. I believe Dennis Healy was one and Peter Mandelson was in the Young Communist League as a teenager, but never the CP itself, or so he told me. |
I'd think the best way is to e-mail journalists & newspapers, and ask them to investigate it. I don't see any problem with Reid being a former Communist Party member. More the fact that the man responsible for law and order in Britain is himself a (former) violent yob. |
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ian neal
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Surely contacting Craig Murray and asking for his evidence is a more direct route? |
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Shoestring
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: Well known to journalists |
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| ian neal wrote: | | Surely contacting Craig Murray and asking for his evidence is a more direct route? |
I e-mailed him about it and he replied that Reid's violent past is very well known to journalists, but there seems to be an agreement not to report it. If anyone wants to contact Murray for more about the issue, his details are here:
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/contact.html |
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