Truth seekers speak out.

[marky 54]

if that little black and white picture is a terrorist you have there then how was the mugshot obtained? did he posed for someone while being followed? or was he captured before? no dont tell me his passport survived the explosions and was the only thing left intact when the buildings came down.

[marky 54]

if that little black and white picture is a terrorist you have there then how was the mugshot obtained? did he posed for someone while being followed? or was he captured before? no dont tell me his passport survived the explosions and was the only thing left intact when the buildings came down.

[scubadiver]

Its convenient that Jay Ref forgets that the relatives of the victims who are still campaigning for a proper, independent inquiry.

[Jay Ref]

[stateofgrace]

[DeFecToR]

Man, you guys are morons. Self-righteous, egocentric losers.

They are mocking the story that they believe is FAKE.

If they believed that those phone calls were made and those people died exactly as the official story says and THEN they mocked it, then that would be morally reprehensable and utterly disgusting by anyones standards. But they DONT BELIEVE THOSE CALLS ARE REAL!!!! They DONT BELIEVE the official story of how they died. They ARE NOT mocking their death, they are mocking the LIES put out by you scum about how they died.

Thats all i'm saying on this. You people are oportunistic and morally degenerate. You'll now attack me and guess what, i'm glad. Say what you want. For ever letter of every word you post you'll prove yourself every bit the apologists you are.

[stateofgrace]

Really ?

Heres more calls just released for you to mock and claim they are not real also

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/am-wtc0817,1,5260120.st ory?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

[DeFecToR]

[stateofgrace]

Please you make yourself look silly.

The call for the reinvestigation, as you know it to establish exactly what went wrong with the intelligence failings. And of course I support this.

They are not in your camp believing that the phone calls made from the passengers on the planes were all fake as you have just stated.

Out of interest if all these call are fake who made them and why?

I mean why go to all the bother of faking calls; why not simply make no calls? Remember the more complex the plan the greater the chance of being caught. Just curious

[chipmunk stew]

[stateofgrace]

[DeFecToR]

[Andrew Johnson]

Mark Bingham. Hmm an interesting one. Doing a "WHOIS" on the Domain name www.markbingham.org (eg through http://www.betterwhois.com/) Gives this:


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time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy. Domain ID:D77223487-LROR
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[stateofgrace]

Interesting Andrew, thank you for some disclosure and courtesy.

Now I have posted the words of this mans mother, for that I am labelled as scum, is this common practice on your forum?

Please remind everybody we come here voluntarily to exchange ideas and views, not to be insulted.

This is not an interrogation it is a discussion forum when people with differing ideas are allowed to exchange them.

I have been courteous and have not sworn at anybody, nor have I called anybody names.

Please remind your members that if they wish to engage in any meaningful dialogue at all with anybody who has different views than themselves, manners cost nothing.

[Andrew Johnson]

sog,

I am sorry that some of vitriol comes out in these posts. I will mention this to Defector, but please remember he is "his own person".

I don't like the insulting language that some people use (on both sides of the fence) and I try to refrain from this sort of language myself, though I can be quite sarcastic when pushed!

Regards

[Johnny Pixels]

[DeFecToR]

Stateofgrace. I am sorry for my words. I mean that.
Andrew redirected me to what i had posted earlier and upon a second reading it really was uncalled for.
Not that this excuses myself, but i should point out how frustrating this all can be. Its a heated and emotional subject no matter where we all stand and confronting people on the single most passionate issue i have ever had has led me to lose the plot on too many occasions now.
I dont even know you, so please, dont take anything i have said to heart. You are i am sure and honest person on this subject and are doing what you think is right.
Incidentally, last night at work i realised who Bernard Brown was that Chipmunk Stew was refering to, and yes, the LC boys words on him were very insensitive and unjustified. If they had more to go on then maybe, but as their arguement stands they have overstepped the mark. Please realise though that their words are certainly not born of intentional mallice. They really do believe their story on this and having that degree of certainty to the events of 911 can cloud ones judgement. They may see enemies where there are none. I mean lets face it, they're not exactly great researchers are they? They're kids. And they've gotten too swept up in to 911.
They may be wrong, but that does not make them bad. We all should be allowed to make mistakes.
Also, if i may just clarify something: I was defending their right to an opinion of the story of 911 and was trying to explain to you guys that the LC boys should not necessarily be condemned for not believing the story of how some of those people died. That said, i am still undecided on the issue of the phone calls that were supposedly made from flight 93. I still find them to be very suspicious, especially as it has been recently confirmed that the plane was at 35,000 feet. But, as i say, i am undecided.

[chipmunk stew]

[stateofgrace]

Apology accepted DeFector, now can we move on in a civil manner and debate this issue?

The mockery is directed to this statement.

“Hello mom it's Mark Brigham; you believe me don't you?”

This is NOT what he said.

He said “Hello Mom it’s Mark Brigham". This his mother put down to the stress he was under and the fact he was a businessman and often said this. I should imagine being onboard an aircraft which as just been hijacked and facing imminent death is very stressful.

You also realise his mother had a different surname to her son as well,yes?

They carried on the conversation and he stated that the plane had been hijacked and said “You believe me don't you?"

To which she replied “Yes I believe you”

This is not US Government lies as your movement labels it but the story of the last words a mother ever spoke to her son, from her own lips.

Now, do you believe a mother who spoke to her son and lost her son or your movement who mock and laugh at this conversation?

[DeFecToR]

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

[blackcat]

[Jay Ref]

[scar]

[MiniMauve]