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Alek
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This link reminds me of a-level economics somewhat.
Everything is explained, apart from the point at which money enters the economy,
which you would think would be very interesting and important.
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This is the crucial point, of course. The problem is the incestuous relationship between Congress, which represents an always-willing borrower against the public credit, and the Federal Reserve System, which represents a lender with an infinite pocketbook. To the extent that Congress cannot peddle its surplus of IOUs in the private debt market, in steps the Federal Reserve which creates money-out-of-nothing and monetizes the debt.
The idea that the Federal Reserve's "quasi-private" status makes it independent of political concerns is laughable, as is the notion that it should be politically independent. Why should the most important aspect of any civilization, the control of money, be delegated to bankers who are supposedly politically independent? Monetary policy in a constitutional republic, like the United States, should be simple and static, run by statute. It wouldn't make much difference if the US Treasury abandoned all pretense of its debt-monetization shell game and simply manufactured all of the money that its politicians desired. This might even be better, because at least it would be more transparent to the average citizen.
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Privately owned/controlled central banks purchase government debt (bonds),
with a simple book-keeping entry (money out of thin air).
They charge the government interest for money created out of nothing,
it really is that simple. If you disagree with this please explain to me
how it actually works.
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Skeptics would point out that the Federal Reserve is obligated to rebate the interest income, less Fed operating expenses, from its open market activities back to the Treasury. Thus, the Fed receives no net profit from its US government bond portfolio.
Assuming that this is true, it serves to misdirect critics from the more important issue of how the Fed essentially supplies avaricious congressmen and the interests they serve with a virtually unlimited supply of money, independent of conventional taxation, through a direct tax on the holders of Federal Reserve Notes. This constant source of public inflation is staggering enough on its own, but even more astounding when you consider it is merely the monetary base (high-powered money) on which the private banking system receives its enormous profits.
Once again, skeptics would point out that banking isn't free of costs. Bankers have to pay customers interest on their demand deposits. Of course, any profit that they can accumulate based on money created out-of-nothing between the spread of their loan portfolio and their demand deposits represents a source of income that is unavailable to the non-banking public. That the banking system is cartelized and favors the top money center banks in New York and London only aggravates the inequity.
At the end of the day with a cartelized fiat money and fractional reserve banking system, we are left with a two-tiered economy: Elite bankers, and everyone else. |
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The Federal Reserve is only one aspect of the elites hold on the global financial structure, albeit the one most obviously in play at the moment with the dollar and its hegemony being the major issues.
At the top of the pyramid is the BIS - Bank for International Settlement.
Only recently the BIS changed its international settlements from gold to what is essentially a global fiat currency giving the bankers the powers to create money at will. It, the BIS, recently published an essay suggesting that central banks could even enter such markets as housing by being buyers of last resort if there were liquidity problems in such markets. In effect that means central banks can buy up any or all properties/assets with money created out of thin air - the central banks end up owning hard assets for free paper. Not a bad set up eh.
The rules governing and the obligations of the BIS say it all - they are a power answerable only to themselves.
These articles below explain it in more detail -
Global Banking: The Bank for International Settlements
http://www.augustreview.com/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&t id=4&pid=8
RULING THE WORLD OF MONEY
http://www.bilderberg.org/BIS.doc |
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| brian wrote: | | “In effect that means central banks can buy up any or all properties/assets with money created out of thin air - the central banks end up owning hard assets for free paper. Not a bad set up eh.” |
This also occurs when the interest rate is increased, it is how the cartel removes money from the economy.
We live in a debt based society; all money is borrowed at a price (interest). When this fee is raised, those who can no longer afford the price end up losing whatever collateral they used to secure the capital loaned to them by the bank. Be it a car, house, occupational equipment or a commercial enterprise sent into liquidation.
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You people never, ever give up do you? Not only do you take the word of a source who is barely qualified to speak on such matters you, who have even less expertise, speculate and theorise without any sense of your own limitations. Give me the name of any individual who has worked at the highest levels of international finance who has blown the whistle on the system and come out in support of LaRouche's allegations?
And when someone does come along (who happens to have formal qualifications, experience and knowledge) to provide a critique and an alternative take on political reality you show no interest whatever. I shouldn't have to tell you chaps that a lack of curiosity is an indicator of low intelligence.
I shouldn't have to tell you, either, that it is most unlikely that any of you would be seen dead regurgitating Larouchean drivel in ten year's time. You might spare your future blushes now by at least considering some different opinions.
Now take your blinkers off and look around you...
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Dr Doom
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Pincher,
you very rarely rebuke anyone's specific points,
you simply come back with a new wave of insults.
It's kind of similar to the reaction encountered when
trying to convince people that 9/11 was an inside job.
| Quote: | | Give me the name of any individual who has worked at the highest levels of international finance who has blown the whistle on the system |
Alan Greenspan in the 1960s was an eloquent spokesman for the gold standard, he also spoke out against the banking cartel and deficit spending as a method of wealth transfer.
He became silent on these issues after being appointed as a director at JP morgan and subsequently chairman of the Federal Reserve.
What others (in high positions) have said:
"The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing."
William Paterson, founder of the Bank of England in 1694, then a privately owned bank.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws." Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild.
"The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so dependent upon its favours that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests." The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of a pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you wish to remain slaves of the Bankers and pay for the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." Sir Josiah Stamp, President of the Bank of England in the 1920s, the second richest man in Britain.
"I am afraid the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money. And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hand the destiny of the people." Reginald McKenna, as Chairman of the Midland Bank, addressing stockholders in 1924.
"The banks do create money. They have been doing it for a long time, but they didn't realise it, and they did not admit it. Very few did. You will find it in all sorts of documents, financial textbooks, etc. But in the intervening years, and we must be perfectly frank about these things, there has been a development of thought, until today I doubt very much whether you would get many prominent bankers to attempt to deny that banks create it." H W White, Chairman of the Associated Banks of New Zealand, to the New Zealand Monetary Commission, 1955.
As you can see, there is no shortage of people who have spoken out against this system.
You should give some thought to the Rothschild quote about who is likely to oppose the system. The system rewards obedience and subservience. They've made it purposely difficult to figure out what a total fraud it actually is, to the point where only a small subset of the population will actually figure out what they're doing.
And that small subset can be brought into the system to manage its operations and effectively paid off with obscene salaries.
The portion they don't pay off in this way can simply be branded as "conspiracy nutters" because they have less credibility. |
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| Pincher wrote: | | You people never, ever give up do you? Not only do you take the word of a source who is barely qualified to ... |
If you are a supporter of the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT), post your comments in Critics Corner, with a link to the post you are criticising. If you do not follow this "good will" procedure, your posts will be moved and repeated avoidance of this procedure will result in a ban.
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Pincher
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| Andrew Johnson wrote: | | Pincher wrote: | | You people never, ever give up do you? Not only do you take the word of a source who is barely qualified to ... |
If you are a supporter of the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT), post your comments in Critics Corner, with a link to the post you are criticising. If you do not follow this "good will" procedure, your posts will be moved and repeated avoidance of this procedure will result in a ban.
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This is not a reference to the 9/11 plot . This is a reference to the LaRouchean conspiracy theory about the Federal Reserve.
Unfortunately it seems that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is being exploited by LaRoucheans for their own, narrow, ends. Why is it that I get the feeling that this forum is little more than a LaRouche front?
If indeed my suspicions are proved correct, the 9/11 cause will be seriously tarnished in the long run. |
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This poor chap Pincher sems to have a fixation on Larouche. He rambles on as if Larouche is central to this board or the 9/11 issue which is demonstrably not the case. In both his latest posts he makes accusations of - "Larouchean drivel" and "Larouchean conspiracy" - when Larouche was not even alluded to let alone mentioned.
He seems a confused individual who is not actually sure what he believes, hence his refusal to dicuss it with anyone, but is desperate to tell everyone else they are wrong. That without in any way taking the time to explain in what way.
As for his - "Now take your blinkers off and look around you... "
From what he has posted so far that would be an invitation to get - Dead Poets Society - and interpret it as Pincher does .
Pincher, take your own advice son and take your Larouche impregnated blinkers off - your seeing things that do not exist. |
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[quote="Dr Doom"]Pincher,
you very rarely rebuke anyone's specific points,you simply come back with a new wave of insults.
Dr Doom,
It is you who does not rebuke specific points. So let's make sure there is no ambiguity this time:
Please supply me with the name of just one official working at the highest level of finance who has ever blown the whistle on the system and come out in support of LaRocuhe's allegations that:
a cartel of banks owned by foreign Jews (operating principally from the City of London) both owns and controls the Federal Reserve and through interest rate manipulation and the creation of money increases the indebtedness of the US in order to being about the New World Order.
Just one name - that's all I want. |
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brian
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Pincher, can you source that statement you attribute to Larouche?
See my post just prior to your last. |
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| brian wrote: | This poor chap Pincher sems to have a fixation on Larouche. He rambles on as if Larouche is central to this board or the 9/11 issue which is demonstrably not the case. In both his latest posts he makes accusations of - "Larouchean drivel" and "Larouchean conspiracy" - when Larouche was not even alluded to let alone mentioned.
He seems a confused individual who is not actually sure what he believes, hence his refusal to dicuss it with anyone, but is desperate to tell everyone else they are wrong. That without in any way taking the time to explain in what way.
As for his - "Now take your blinkers off and look around you... "
From what he has posted so far that would be an invitation to get - Dead Poets Society - and interpret it as Pincher does .
Pincher, take your own advice son and take your Larouche impregnated blinkers off - your seeing things that do not exist. |
Then how comes I have counted 14 posters on this thread alone who have expressed either directly of indirectly support for LaRocuhe's ideas?
I have taken the liberty Brian of including you amongst this number as you earlier tried to make light of serious charges that I made against LaRouche.
So here's an opportunity for you to denounce the man, his ideas and his methods.
Well? |
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Pincher, tell you what I will do with you -
If you can show 14 posters on this thread - your claim - that directly or indirectly have shown support for Larouche's ideas I will take the trouble to answer your last post.
I personally doubt if many here, including myself, are that familiar with what you call Larouches ideas
Oh, hows about the source for the statement you attribute to Larouche?
Were you in his youth movement? |
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Please supply me with the name of just one official working at the highest level of finance who has ever blown the whistle on the system and come out in support of LaRocuhe's allegations that:
a cartel of banks owned by foreign Jews (operating principally from the City of London) both owns and controls the Federal Reserve and through interest rate manipulation and the creation of money increases the indebtedness of the US in order to being about the New World Order.
Just one name - that's all I want. |
I answered your original question with a dozen names.
Can we talk about something else other than Jews and Larouche,
it's getting really boring.
I don't understand why you are so obsessed with these things. |
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| brian wrote: | Pincher, tell you what I will do with you -
If you can show 14 posters on this thread - your claim - that directly or indirectly have shown support for Larouche's ideas I will take the trouble to answer your last post.
I personally doubt if many here, including myself, are that familiar with what you call Larouches ideas
Oh, hows about the source for the statement you attribute to Larouche?
Were you in his youth movement? |
You are either obtuse or wilfully evasive Brian. This thread is full of posters who have quoted from Money Masters, EIR and blathered on endlessly about the Rothschild's fortune, fractional reserve banking and usury. Don't insult my intelligence and say this is not LaRouchean propaganda.
For someone who claims to be not terribly familiar with LaRouche you are pretty persistent about statements that I have made about him (please clarify exactly which statement of mine you are referring to) and have some awareness of his youth movement.
I note also you did not take the opportunity to denounce him... |
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| Pincher wrote: | Then how comes I have counted 14 posters on this thread alone who have expressed either directly of indirectly support for LaRocuhe's ideas?
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These are not 'LaRouche's ideas' and they are not original. Criticism of money changers and fiat money systems is as old as the Bible. Like I say previously, you don't need to be a neo-nazi to belief the global banking system is a fraudulent scam perpetrated by the super rich and powerful.
If you really don't believe me I will dig out some more mainstream sources that studiously avoid talk of conspiracies (jewish or other wise)
Andrew FYI Pincher believes 9/11 was an inside job or similar |
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| Dr Doom wrote: | | Pincher wrote: |
Please supply me with the name of just one official working at the highest level of finance who has ever blown the whistle on the system and come out in support of LaRocuhe's allegations that:
a cartel of banks owned by foreign Jews (operating principally from the City of London) both owns and controls the Federal Reserve and through interest rate manipulation and the creation of money increases the indebtedness of the US in order to being about the New World Order.
Just one name - that's all I want. |
I answered your original question with a dozen names.
Can we talk about something else other than Jews and Larouche,
it's getting really boring.
I don't understand why you are so obsessed with these things. |
Doom,
Sorry my friend it is you who believes in LaRouche's nonsense, it is you who is obsessed with LaRouche's nonsense and it is you who can't name any credible financial source who backs LaRouche's nonsense.
You've lost... |
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brian
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Pincher, so your 14 was a fabrication, wilful or otherwise.
As ian neal has just pointed out the area being discussed is not exclusive to Larouche and predates him by far.
To be frank I find your juvenile attitude tiresome, you have contributed nothing but meaningless waffle and baseless accusations up to now - your latest gives no indication of that changing.
If you consider 9/11 an inside job but do not agree a new inquiry is necessary what are you doing here wasting the time of those that do? You then tell us you wont discuss why or what you consider the big picture to be, can you see how nonsensical that sounds? |
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Unfortunately it seems that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is being exploited by LaRoucheans for their own, narrow, ends. Why is it that I get the feeling that this forum is little more than a LaRouche front?
If indeed my suspicions are proved correct, the 9/11 cause will be seriously tarnished in the long run. |
OK - well, I can see your logic. I have made all my details public. You can check up on me personally - ring me if you want. You can find out who pays for the Website etc if you want.
You won't find a central office though - only a bank account with about £20 in it - registered to 1 person.
Am a bovvered?
Are we bovvered?
Are we bovvered?
Are we bovvered?
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| brian wrote: | Pincher, so your 14 was a fabrication, wilful or otherwise.
As ian neal has just pointed out the area being discussed is not exclusive to Larouche and predates him by far.
To be frank I find your juvenile attitude tiresome, you have contributed nothing but meaningless waffle and baseless accusations up to now - your latest gives no indication of that changing.
If you consider 9/11 an inside job but do not agree a new inquiry is necessary what are you doing here wasting the time of those that do? You then tell us you wont discuss why or what you consider the big picture to be, can you see how nonsensical that sounds? |
Once again I note you fail to denounce LaRouche. Once again you fail to go through the thread and total the posts regurgitating his ideas. And once again you show a stolid lack of curiosity about my unusual stance on 9/11 - accepting the plot but being undecided on a new enquiry. Don't you even want to know why?
As far as the matter under review is concerned (why is it that this unrelated matter is raised on this site?) you are correct - the subject under discussion, the international banking conspiracy, does pre-date LaRouche.
All of this appears in a more primitive form in 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion' and in 'Mein Kampf.' It has been reworked subsequently by sensationalist authors, neo nazi organisations and a variety of cults, most notably the LaRoucheans in all their guises. And nowhere is this fiction peddled so prolifically than in the United States.
The international banking conspiracy is a preoccupation of the far right, (the BNP & NF are just two of a multitude of right wing organisations that sign up to this view). The terms 'International bankers' 'Freemasons' and 'Zionists' in this context are just synonyms for 'Jews.'
You will notice that the left from Trot to reformist social democrats are more concerned with the capitalist class as a whole in the here and now and agitate (through strikes and demo's) and proslytise amongst the working class. It could be argued that the concept of the New World Order is intrinsically an anti Marxian view as it contradicts Marx's central thesis that socialism inevitably succeeds capitalism
The conspiracy itself is non falsifiable, paradoxical and counter intuitive. If the United States was indeed the victim of such a longstanding fraud on such a colossal scale it would surely now have an economy more in keeping with that of sub saharan Africa (indeed, if the conspiracy took Africa as its victim it would appear more plausible, although it would still be a distortion of the truth).
No, my friend, tis you are the juvenile - why do you think all this nonsense is aimed at 18-30 olds? Why is it that LaRouche concentrates his energy on this age group? Because it is largely ignorant, has little life experience and is more malleable.
You will tend to find my posts are pithier than most. You will also find that many of them provide links to authorities that support my critique, links that you clearly have not referenced.
I wonder why that is? |
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| Pincher wrote: | The international banking conspiracy is a preoccupation of the far right, (the BNP & NF are just two of a multitude of right wing organisations that sign up to this view). The terms 'International bankers' 'Freemasons' and 'Zionists' in this context are just synonyms for 'Jews.'
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On this forum you will find few on the far right, but many who believe that the strings directing all our collective futures have been and are being pulled by a group of international oligarchs with the 'International Bankers' at their centre. This group's primary mechanism for control is Freemasonry and currently the ideology that has been chosen to serve their goal is Zionism.
I, juvenile that I am, subscribe to this view.
That all these words are synonyms for Jewry is your idea (and, for all I know LaRouche's [whoever he is]). Most of us try to be careful with our terms. Words like 'International banker' and 'Freemason' mean 'International banker' and 'Freemason'...not Jew.
I know that the Jewish person on the street is no more responsible for 9/11 than I am.
However, it is true that Jews, as a group, are much over-represented among the rich and powerful. It is also true that these powerful Jews largely support and promote the Zionist agenda. It should be recognised that this could potentially cause difficulties for Jews in the USA and the UK if, 1) the widely-predicted US economic collapse takes place or 2) If the US nuke Iran and drag us all into a world war.(It looks like the neo-cons in the States are intensely promoting the second in order to try and prevent the first).
Because people know, or will be easily convinced, that Jews dominate our societies....if life gets difficult, then Mr Complacent will become Mr Angry and the search will begin for 'who is to blame'. Racism is very ugly and unfair but it seems to me that Jews have been deliberately placed in a vulnerable position by the bankers' use of Zionism.
The Germans, at Versailles, realised that the bankers had brought America into the war on the promise that Palestine would be given to Jews as a homeland. Up to this point Germany had been winning the war. Suddenly everything changed. They had problems raising the funds to equip themselves etc. The economic devastation of the 1930's further exacerbated their sense of betrayal. The Jewish bankers were at the top of the economic tree in Germany and when german businesses crashed they were mostly sold on the cheap to Jews. The Germans eventually took to arresting and persecuting ALL Jews.
The thing, I believe, that Jews need to recognise is that many of the bankers might be nominally Jewish but they have no interest in the well-being of Jews at all. Unbelievable as it might sound, there is plenty of evidence that these banking/masonic powers have been engaged in a centuries old project to gain control of the world and that , at its heart, this project is Stanic, literally. The bankers funded Hitler remember...they did nothing to protect their Jewish brothers and sisters. They were much more interested in the destruction of empires and the advancement of their little group's collective wealth and influence. |
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Pincher wrote:
| Quote: | | If the United States was indeed the victim of such a longstanding fraud on such a colossal scale it would surely now have an economy more in keeping with that of sub saharan Africa (indeed, if the conspiracy took Africa as its victim it would appear more plausible, although it would still be a distortion of the truth). |
The US National Debt Clock puts the figure at $8,504,346,806,252 (some think the actual figure is far higher) - do you think this is a sign of an economy in great shape? |
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| Leiff wrote: | Pincher wrote:
| Quote: | | If the United States was indeed the victim of such a longstanding fraud on such a colossal scale it would surely now have an economy more in keeping with that of sub saharan Africa (indeed, if the conspiracy took Africa as its victim it would appear more plausible, although it would still be a distortion of the truth). |
The US National Debt Clock puts the figure at $8,504,346,806,252 (some think the actual figure is far higher) - do you think this is a sign of an economy in great shape? |
Leiff,
'Great Shape' is a rather subjective, nebulous term don't you think - great compared to what (all things are relative after all)?
Let's remember firstly that this debt is 'covered' by US GDP which is a rather modest $10 Trillion + (er... thats nearly 250% higher than Japan the next highest) which gives us a per capita figure of around $35,000 (about 150 -200 times greater than a relatively stable sub Saharan state).
Compared to its own past performance and the two or three good housekeepers in the EU that is a rather large debt to GDP ratio (under the original Euroland 'growth and stability pact' member states were meant to keep their deficits down to 60% of GDP) so are the machinations of the hook nosed Shylocks of Threadneedle Street finally bringing down the US economy as foretold by Lyndon 'Nostradamus' LaRouche?
Well, only if these lizard humanoids have taken on completely new identities - those of the current US administration. You see, it was Bush's decision to run up the deficit (by giving tax cuts to the US middle classes) to avoid a recession after the dot com bubble burst. And then came the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The US economy could be heading south soon though (as a few recent numbers haven't looked too good) but one way lil' ol' lizard Bush may like this well.
Very well indeed... |
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Pincher
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| kbo234 wrote: | | Pincher wrote: | The international banking conspiracy is a preoccupation of the far right, (the BNP & NF are just two of a multitude of right wing organisations that sign up to this view). The terms 'International bankers' 'Freemasons' and 'Zionists' in this context are just synonyms for 'Jews.'
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On this forum you will find few on the far right, but many who believe that the strings directing all our collective futures have been and are being pulled by a group of international oligarchs with the 'International Bankers' at their centre. This group's primary mechanism for control is Freemasonry and currently the ideology that has been chosen to serve their goal is Zionism.
I, juvenile that I am, subscribe to this view.
That all these words are synonyms for Jewry is your idea (and, for all I know LaRouche's [whoever he is]). Most of us try to be careful with our terms. Words like 'International banker' and 'Freemason' mean 'International banker' and 'Freemason'...not Jew.
I know that the Jewish person on the street is no more responsible for 9/11 than I am.
However, it is true that Jews, as a group, are much over-represented among the rich and powerful. It is also true that these powerful Jews largely support and promote the Zionist agenda. It should be recognised that this could potentially cause difficulties for Jews in the USA and the UK if, 1) the widely-predicted US economic collapse takes place or 2) If the US nuke Iran and drag us all into a world war.(It looks like the neo-cons in the States are intensely promoting the second in order to try and prevent the first).
Because people know, or will be easily convinced, that Jews dominate our societies....if life gets difficult, then Mr Complacent will become Mr Angry and the search will begin for 'who is to blame'. Racism is very ugly and unfair but it seems to me that Jews have been deliberately placed in a vulnerable position by the bankers' use of Zionism.
The Germans, at Versailles, realised that the bankers had brought America into the war on the promise that Palestine would be given to Jews as a homeland. Up to this point Germany had been winning the war. Suddenly everything changed. They had problems raising the funds to equip themselves etc. The economic devastation of the 1930's further exacerbated their sense of betrayal. The Jewish bankers were at the top of the economic tree in Germany and when german businesses crashed they were mostly sold on the cheap to Jews. The Germans eventually took to arresting and persecuting ALL Jews.
The thing, I believe, that Jews need to recognise is that many of the bankers might be nominally Jewish but they have no interest in the well-being of Jews at all. Unbelievable as it might sound, there is plenty of evidence that these banking/masonic powers have been engaged in a centuries old project to gain control of the world and that , at its heart, this project is Stanic, literally. The bankers funded Hitler remember...they did nothing to protect their Jewish brothers and sisters. They were much more interested in the destruction of empires and the advancement of their little group's collective wealth and influence. |
I think that the statement highlighted above should be served up as logic prep - can anyone else see the flaw in kbo234's reasoning? |
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Dr Doom
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Pincher wrote: |
Leiff,
'Great Shape' is a rather subjective, nebulous term don't you think - great compared to what (all things are relative after all)?
Let's remember firstly that this debt is 'covered' by US GDP which is a rather modest $10 Trillion + (er... thats nearly 250% higher than Japan the next highest) which gives us a per capita figure of around $35,000 (about 150 -200 times greater than a relatively stable sub Saharan state).
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GDP is a fairly meaningless measurement of economic output. Most of Americas high gdp is based on borrowing more and more money against inflated real-estate values, a trend which cannot continue indefinitely. In fact it is the same situation in most of the western world, I read somewhere that 70% of economic activity is based on consumer spending.
The bedrock of the high American standard of living for the last 60 years or so has been the fact that the US dollar has been the worlds reserve currency, and since the 70s the monopoly currency for oil sales. Which has allowed the US to export inflation worldwide.
This arrangement has been in the interest of the globalists. To say that because the US isn't economically ruined already as evidence of no conspiracy is pretty weak.
I'm not sure what else anyone can say to convince you that the system we have here is inherently dishonest. You don't seem to be interested in having a debate on the facts, but keep harping back to Larouche as if you think this discredits what anyone says about banking.
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The US economy could be heading south soon though (as a few recent numbers haven't looked too good) but one way lil' ol' lizard Bush may like this well.
Very well indeed...
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Are you saying that Bush is crashing the economy on purpose? |
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Pincher
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| Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr Doom wrote: | | Pincher wrote: |
Leiff,
'Great Shape' is a rather subjective, nebulous term don't you think - great compared to what (all things are relative after all)?
Let's remember firstly that this debt is 'covered' by US GDP which is a rather modest $10 Trillion + (er... thats nearly 250% higher than Japan the next highest) which gives us a per capita figure of around $35,000 (about 150 -200 times greater than a relatively stable sub Saharan state).
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GDP is a fairly meaningless measurement of economic output. Most of Americas high gdp is based on borrowing more and more money against inflated real-estate values, a trend which cannot continue indefinitely. In fact it is the same situation in most of the western world, I read somewhere that 70% of economic activity is based on consumer spending.
The bedrock of the high American standard of living for the last 60 years or so has been the fact that the US dollar has been the worlds reserve currency, and since the 70s the monopoly currency for oil sales. Which has allowed the US to export inflation worldwide.
This arrangement has been in the interest of the globalists. To say that because the US isn't economically ruined already as evidence of no conspiracy is pretty weak.
I'm not sure what else anyone can say to convince you that the system we have here is inherently dishonest. You don't seem to be interested in having a debate on the facts, but keep harping back to Larouche as if you think this discredits what anyone says about banking.
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The US economy could be heading south soon though (as a few recent numbers haven't looked too good) but one way lil' ol' lizard Bush may like this well.
Very well indeed...
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Are you saying that Bush is crashing the economy on purpose? |
Ye Gods, Dr Doom! Have I caught your attention at last? |
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Leiff
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Pincher
What are your thoughts on Bush illegally blocking 'The Wanta Plan'? |
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Rory Winter
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kbo234
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Pincher"] | kbo234 wrote: |
....The Germans, at Versailles, realised that the bankers had brought America into the war on the promise that Palestine would be given to Jews as a homeland..... |
Enlighten me, O wise one. |
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Pincher
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Leiff wrote: | Pincher
What are your thoughts on Bush illegally blocking 'The Wanta Plan'? |
Leiff,
At this stage I would prefer not to comment on Wanta as I haven't read enough formal academic and mainstream material on it.
One of the problems with conspiracy sites is that whilst they often include important information that it is hard to find from other sources its veracity is hard to substantiate.
Conspiracy sites, of course, always want conspiracies to point a certain way so they often leave out important details or play down their significance if they raise uncomfortable questions about their world view.
This also applies to mainstream sources so teasing out the truth can be a very tricky business... |
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Pincher
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| Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Mudslinging Disinformation? |
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| venceremos wrote: |
No, no, Pincher, that's just not good enough. You make the insinuation, you substantiate it. This is the cowardly way out of admitting that you're a mudslinger. |
No doubt though the 'Justice for Stephen' (Lawrence) campaign fingering the Norris and Acourt psycho's is not cowardly and perfectly good enough for you (surprise, surprise).
We all know that extreme leftists and rightists are as selective about their campaigns as they are about their morality... |
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