IT'S TIME FOR COLLECTIVE ACTION - AND THAT TIME IS NOW

[Jane]

Garcon Warrior said:

[Garcon Warrior]

Well Jane if you don't think its counter productive why won't you get arrested for the cause?

[Jane]

Garcon Warrior asked:

[uselesseater]

I wouldn't like to get arrested either Jane but I don't go along with the idea that using stickers or any other similar campaign tool is dodgy or that we should ever allow ourselves to afraid of promoting the truth.

One of the main methods of control (besides constantly telling us we are powerless) is, just like in a panopticon, to make us think we are being watched constantly, weather we are or not.

[uselesseater]

Flamesong

[paul wright]

[lostpomme]

[gordon]

It's not going to come as a complete surprise to the people on here to learn that the actions of the authorities sometimes betrays their impartiality.
Take the Poll Tax. Thatcher needed to break the resistance, and one of the tactics she wanted to use was to paint the anti poll tax movement as violent. So, take one peaceful demonstration and add violence. Film the violence and show it on TV.
Take Orgreave - miners strike. Same deal, but we are not dealing with housewives here, but miners. So the lunchtime news tells the story of the police attacking miners and the miners fighting back. BUT the evening news has the sequences reversed - they did apologise several years later, so I suppose that makes it ok.
What's the point I am making? We will take casualties. We already have done. There is no need to volunteer. They do the choosing.
If you are chosen, then you know you are effective, but it doesn't make the loss any easier to take. It doesn't mean that you are not effective unless you are being arrested.
The circumstances of a campaign dictate the moves you make. The anti poll tax campaign came down to "Don't Pay", a direct call to break the law - civil law not criminal law but the jails are just the same. At that stage you absolutely KNOW that some people are going to be selected. But there was no alternative route, other than this direct confrontation, that would take the campaign forward. There was confrontation during the miners strike - every day on every tv station - but it was never focused towards anything productive or achievable.
So you have to accept the dictates of circumstances, and use them to their limits.
Don't give them it cheap. Make them work for every move that they make, judicial or otherwise.
You get zero publicity for a breach of the peace unless you work at it, before and after.
So if getting arrested is going to advance the campaign effectively, help yourself. But this time I'll be at the back of the queue.

Gordon.

[scar]

If you're careful you wont get arrested for stickering.
Either go late at night or preferably when its really busy out.
I have found that on cashpoints the stickers will be removed wthin 24 hours, probably within 12... Cos of the surface they dont stick well either. (unless you use the plastic bit above it)
Bus Stops stay for ages as do urinals and phoneboxes.
Pedestrian crossings machines are good in a city, just above the button although these usually get taken down quickly as well.
Generally if they dont obstruct something 'vital' like an advert etc they will stay longer.
I suppose it depends on what the cleaners are like and ive noticed in some areas the stickers get torn off in a certain way that makes em still readable and even harder to peel off... [awakened cleaners?].
In the centre of brighton there is still a 'whats this' sticker on a p.crossing torn on the corners but with the picture still evident, 2 months since i put it there.

[uselesseater]

I don't think theres much chance of getting arrested for stickering, we certainly should NOT allow fear of being arrested and thus identified as a 'dissident' prevent us from getting the message out. I think the sitiuation is too grave to worry about keeping our heads down for fear of what might happen if you are arrested and put on some blacklist. There isn't time to be fannying around trying to stay invisible - if we don't get enough people to wake up the 'brave new world', 'hell on earth' system which is to be imposed will not be worth living under anyway so you may as well stick your neck out.

It's the fear generated by the propaganda that says 'you are being watched' which gives the system 70% of it's effectiveness IMHO. It's not possible for them to be watching us all 24/7 unless we were all surveiling each other like in A Scanner Darkly.

[lostpomme]

[scar]

[lostpomme]

[Pikey]

Lostpomme,

Welcome aboard the 911 truthseeking ark, its getting rather crowded despite the efforts of the Shills/Trolls who monitor this remarkable top quality professionally moderated website. You'll soon be able to identify who the Trolls/shills are, they've been given their own space here (Critics corner), see if you get them to play ball instead of the man........now thats a challenge for you, nobodys managed it yet!

I've just read your first post here, thats an outstanding debut blog matched by Gordon's contribution.

Well done comrades.

Peace & truth

[lostpomme]

Thanks Pikey,

I noticed the trolls around. Suppose it's good to have an "alternative" opinion present. Good for a laugh anyway.

Cheers for the welcome!

[lostpomme]

[gordon]

If you stand for election you have the right to have your election address delivered to every household in the constituency, usually by the Post. Might be worth checking this out for by-elections and particularly local elections where there is no deposit to lose.

Gordon.

[uselesseater]

[Andrew Johnson]

[Andrew Johnson]

http://www.royalmail.com/portal/sme/content1?catId=600112&mediaId=3100 081

I think there is probably a minimum order of £500 for this service, but I haven't rung the "door to door" number to find out.

i.e. you're probably talking 14000 leaflets - and i think you would have to get those printed to give to Royal Mail too. Not sure though

[uselesseater]

Yeah, I saw that post, I was wondering if there were any others which have since drifted off into the past. I'll have a search when I have a minute.

Hmm £500 minimum order is steep for a personal layout but I'm sure we could raise that easily on this board but then there is the cost of printing the leaflets. Any Idea how much 14000 leaflets would cost to print?

[xmasdale]

[lostpomme]

I have a friend at the local post office. I'll speak to him tomorrow and see exactly what the minimum orders are nowadays and if there are any short cuts he can advise on.
I had originally planned on printing them myself (i get fairly cheap ink) but i'll call for a local quote tomorrow. Shouldn't think the price will vary too much.
I'll be delivering my leaflets myself regardless. Used to be a postie so i know the local rounds well. I reckon 5m until 11am should do it!

[patti]

Hi! I am new to this site, and am from the USA. I applaud your efforts, because from where I am sitting, you have said more and done more than most people of this country! The annivesary of the 9/11 is here, and I am hard pressed to find any organized meetings on the movement to uncover the truth.
They do exist, but not in the area of this country where I am at. We have the good ol boy ( southern slang) mantality here. 9/11 & 7/7 were inside jobs. This country should be outraged at the high crimes against the citizens of these countries, committed by the Powers that Be. We all know who I am speaking of! Yet, it has now become unpatriotic and unamerican to even ask questions. The path in which we have started down is most certainly a dangerous one, one that threatens the very constitution in which many good men died for. A country in where freedom of speech is only tolerated if you are Pro main stream propaganda media. In closing... A man once told me Evil can only prevail if good men and women stand and do nothing. You are right it is time to make a stand.

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Ok this is it.

We get the committee from this website to frame a series of questions to ask the general public about who they currently thought was responsible for 911.

When the survey is carried out we ask the person being surveyed to watch "Loose Change" after which a follow up survey is done to see if they no longer think "BIN LADED DID IT"

If we all volunteer to survey 20 people we will have a base of thousands
I will survey my community if you care to frame a series of questions.

Who else will do the same?

If the response is then as expected - IE 100% conversion we can blitz the media for some publicity.

You comments please

[lostpomme]

[quote="If we all volunteer to survey 20 people we will have a base of thousands
I will survey my community if you care to frame a series of questions.
Who else will do the same?
If the response is then as expected - IE 100% conversion we can blitz the media for some publicity.

You comments please[/quote]

Sounds good, i'm up for that.
Also let us know what your plans are for the stickering. Are we doing our own or downloading from somewhere? Do we have a figure for how many are prepared to do this?

Made some enquiries on the door to door situation.

It's £35 per thousand leaflets with a minimum charge of £500 which equates to something like 15000 leaflets minimum. Also remember that royal mail wont divide them over different areas so if a group of people chip in they will have to agree on the most worthwhile postcodes.
So with 15 people chipping in the delivery cost is £35 each

On the printing side, as you would expect, the fee fell sharply for large order's. (A5 double sided)
£275 - 2000 leaflets
£335 - 4000 leaflets
£450 - 10000 leaflets
£550 - 15000 leaflets (he didn't have a price to hand for 15000 so the last is unconfirmed ball park figure. £600 top side i should think)
This was a small local firm, could be cheaper in Bradford or Leeds.
So, split over 15 people that's £40 quid each for printing.
And i dare say someone will beat that price, but provisionally:

15 people chipping in £75 each gets 15000 leaflets delivered direct by royal mail to the front door.
Granted nobody has £75 quid lying around spare (including me) but... it's 15000 houses.
I'll put £75 in, which leaves 14 people.
The term money where your mouth is comes to mind...

I'll let someone else figure out (AJ?) how we could all make secure payment's and be assured its all above board. Naturally since i've sugested it, it cant be me. Maybe the group could meet once to pay the printer and a second time to pay royal mail.

One last thing, the printers need 7 days to complete and i'm not sure as yet what the order-completion time is for royal mail so i dont know how we're fixed for getting it done for the London weekend.

[lostpomme]

Welcome Patti!
Sorry to hear about the lack of coverage where you are. It's pretty poor everywhere but it seems to be growing exponentially. I only found this site a couple of weeks ago myself.
You seem to have identified a need in your area, is there anything you could do?

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Hi Lostpomme

I can see u are a doer rather than just a talker.

I have printed off the stickers using andrew's layout - got 1400 stickers for £12 at Staples -if you want some posting to you then PM your address
and will send you 200.

Wirh regard to the leaflets and Royal Mail - I wouldn't trust Royal Mail to deliver them. I worked 18 years for the Post Office - it is now run with lots of casual labour - the chances are our leaflets would end up in a ditch.

I have a printer who does a lot of work for my business - he will probably do it cheaper than anybody else - just need to know how many colours are required and I will get a quote.

ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS

[Leiff]

Pencil me in.

I am very poor so I cannot afford any more than this, so if we don't get 15 volunteers I'll have to pull out.

If we get more, hopefully it will be less!

[Andrew Johnson]

Thanks folks.

Co-ordinating payment can be tricky - it's perhaps easier if we work in pairs and do things by post.

I got 3000 single-sided A5 black and white leaflets locally for £31 - quality is basic, but the information is there.

We can deliver them ourselves in our neighbourhood - if you want a wadge of these PM me.

Printing my own stickers costs me about 20p a sheet (1p per sticker). I currently have about 40 sheets of 24 per sheet and about 20 sheets of 8 per sheet.

I have sent out about 50 sheets or more over the last few months. If people want more, PM or e-mail.