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 Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: The Loose Cannon of 9/11 |
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It took two governors, four congressmen, three former White House officials and two special counsels two years to compile. They reviewed over two and half million pages of classified and declassified documents, consulted 1,200 sources in 10 countries, and spent over $15 million of the taxpayers' money in the process. And on July 22, 2004, the 9/11 Commission issued its final report on the terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Is it possible that two twentysomethings from "a small hippie town that time forgot" could undermine that entire effort with $8,000 and a laptop?
Yes, if you ask ex-Army specialist Korey Rowe. The 23-year-old from Oneonta, New York returned home from two tours -- one to Afghanistan, the other to Iraq -- to help his best friends, Dylan Avery (director) and Jason Bermas (researcher), produce the sensational 80-minute, Web-based documentary "Loose Change," which seeks to establish the government's complicity in the terror attacks by addressing some very tough questions: Why wasn't Ground Zero treated like a crime scene? How did both towers "free-fall" to the ground "in 9.2 seconds" in just under two hours? And where are the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175?
While the film is admittedly flawed and draws on some dubious new media sources, including Wikipedia, it's inarguably sparked a new interest in the "9/11 Truth movement." Since its April 2005 debut online, "Loose Change" (the first and second edition) has received over 10 million viewings, it was just featured in the August issue of Vanity Fair, and the final cut of the film is expected to debut at the Sundance Film Festival in January.
"I've got four movie studios [including Paramount and Miramax] beating down my door to make the final cut," says Rowe, who's now got offices from California to London to handle his growing company. Last week SMITH caught up with Rowe -- who's been labeled everything from a traitor to a CIA operative in the past year -- to see how he went from protecting the Iraqi-Syrian border against Muslim insurgents to a self-described "conspiracy theorist" poised to take Hollywood (and the country) by storm.
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This is my favorite quote from the article:
| Korey Rowe wrote: | | We know there are errors in the documentary, and we've actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | This is my favorite quote from the article:
| Korey Rowe wrote: | | We know there are errors in the documentary, and we've actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves |
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Superb response that - beats the Neo Con Madmen tactics such as the likes of Rumsfeld at their *really* bad double-speak ill-logical language games when questioned over 9/11 [and virtually every other] subject.
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| There's a bit of a pong in this thread isn't there? Usually only smells this bad in "Critic's Corner"!! |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | This is my favorite quote from the article:
| Korey Rowe wrote: | | We know there are errors in the documentary, and we've actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves |
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Leaving errors uncorrected is a mistake IMHO. It weakens the case. If the evidence in other parts of their movie wasn't so overwhelming, these errors would sink the video. There are people, consionable people, who really don't want to believe their leaders could be so evil. Leaving errors lieing around to grasp onto gives them an 'out'. It's especially critical when a person is first exposed to the possibility of a 911 conspiracy. Most people's first glimpse of the evidence will be a cursory, "I've got nothing better to do and I need a laugh, so let's see what these kooks are coming up with.", kind of look. Obvious errors in the evidence may deflect them from bothering to dip deeper. That's why I hate to hear nonsense about there not being any planes involved, or that the alleged hijackers are alive and well. If it's not a fact, don't present it as such. Don't even mention it if it doesn't have significant suspicious facts associated with it.
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I have to say Mini, you do have a good point and I do agree. How would a viewer know that what hearing and seeing is false?
The latest version is a lot better. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: The Loose Cannon of 9/11 |
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| TRUTH wrote: |
"I've got four movie studios [including Paramount and Miramax] beating down my door to make the final cut," says Rowe, who's now got offices from California to London to handle his growing company. |
So how much money is he making out of this?
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| A lot less than Michael Moore and Paul Greengrass I'm sure |
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Why would we limit our critics? If we can't defend our arguments then we shouldn't open our mouthes in the first place. I welcome the chance to discuss the evidence with anyone who dissagrees so long as it's constructive and respectful. You don't even need to ban the non-constructive, non-respectful posters because they are obvious and great boosts for the whatever argument they are opposing.
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| MiniMauve wrote: | | Why would we limit our critics? If we can't defend our arguments then we shouldn't open our mouthes in the first place. I welcome the chance to discuss the evidence with anyone who dissagrees so long as it's constructive and respectful. You don't even need to ban the non-constructive, non-respectful posters because they are obvious and great boosts for the whatever argument they are opposing. |
We have a "smoking" room and a "non-smoking" room, which we ask people to observe.
This is not a 9/11 Debating movement. It is a campaigning movement which shares information and resources to give people information which they are prevented from seeing by censorship and ridicule, even though in significant instances it is based on physical evidence and physical laws.
If you want to debate whether the official story is a lie or not, we ask you to post in "Critics Corner". The bulk of the members KNOW the official story is a lie and do not debate it outside critics corner.
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Welcome MM,
Eight blogs on your first day here and your already defending the Trolls/shills, and there is nothing on your profile.
How did you discover this website?
Why have you come here?
Do you support our call for a full professional independent investigation into 911 and the hundreds of smoking guns revealed on this website?
If you read the abuse, intimidation, and personal insults contained in the blog of a Troll/shill you will understand why.
Reasoned and respectful debate on 911 is what is experienced here with the exception of Critics corner.
If critics have any evidence to substantiate the official version such as the Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon (NB CCTV cameras all around the Pentagon) then they are welcome to paste it in the Troll & Troll free section.
Trolls like Johnny Pixel go beyond being a critic they are destructive personality critics not information critics.
| Quote: | | I welcome the chance to discuss the evidence with anyone who dissagrees so long as it's constructive and respectful |
I also do if they are prepared to be open minded and check out the evidence that is presented to them here. Sadly the Trolls/shills come here for the wrong reason and that is to protect the officlal version of 911 at whatever cost.
I once believed the official version of 911. Once I had read David Ray Griffins "The New Pearl Harbour" I realised that the official version of 911 was without doubt a travesty of the truth, simply due to the lack of evidence produced to substantiate what is to me the official conspiracy theory.
| Quote: | | You don't even need to ban the non-constructive, non-respectful posters because they are obvious and great boosts for the whatever argument they are opposing. |
I would have to disagree with you on that. If you really want to see why follow the threads that Johnny Pixels, Jay ref are involved in. Their blogging is obessive and abnormal and they achieve nothing in terms of resolving the arguement but create disharmony and destroy the focus of the thread started with.
The trolls/shills use the usual establishment practice of playing the man as opposed to the ball.
Most websites would ban them but I think that the moderators here have come up with a fair and reasonable system that IMO could work if the Trolls/shills are compliant with sticking to Critics Corner. Sadly they are not (Johnny Pixels has already abused that on three occasions to date)
If they dont like being confined to CC then I have no sympathy for them whatsover as they have been put there due to their disrespect for this website and those who come to this website for the right reasons (i.e to satisfy their curiosity and judge from the information provided here if the official conspiracy version provide by the Kean Commission report is the official conspiracy or the truth)
I hope that you enjoy using this site MM in your pursuit of truth and are not, due to unreasonable and unsatisfactory blog content, confined to the Critics Corner, which is I find quite entertaining for monitoring at times when taken as in a small dose.
The fact is the opportunity is there for the Trolls/shills to provide the evidence to support the official conspiracy version of 911. Almost five years on and we are still waiting!
You will discover that the Trolls/shills are a rare species on this website but be warned feeding them will result in personal insults if you disagree with them or side with the 911 skeptics.
Check out the evidence here thoroughly before making your own personal judgement, including critics corner, and if you agree that there is no evidence to substantiate the official version of 911 consider signing the petition on the front/home page
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Andrew Johnson wrote: |
If you want to debate whether the official story is a lie or not, we ask you to post in "Critics Corner". The bulk of the members KNOW the official story is a lie and do not debate it outside critics corner. |
Because you couldn't bear to be shown to be wrong.
How do you KNOW something is wrong when you cannot prove to me, the shill master general or whatever you're calling me today, any single part of your story? Moving posts to the critics corner is little more than sweeping your problems under the carpet.
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| Pikey wrote: | Welcome MM,
Eight blogs on your first day here and your already defending the Trolls/shills, and there is nothing on your profile.
How did you discover this website?
Why have you come here?
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Notice how the "truth seeker" wastes no time in attacking the new visitors.
| Quote: | Do you support our call for a full professional independent investigation into 911 and the hundreds of smoking guns revealed on this website?
If you read the abuse, intimidation, and personal insults contained in the blog of a Troll/shill you will understand why.
Reasoned and respectful debate on 911 is what is experienced here with the exception of Critics corner. |
Not according to the moderators it's not.
| Andrew Johnson wrote: | | This is not a 9/11 Debating movement. |
This is not a debating forum, you're not allow to disagree with anyone. This is a back patting society.
| Quote: | | If critics have any evidence to substantiate the official version such as the Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon (NB CCTV cameras all around the Pentagon) then they are welcome to paste it in the Troll & Troll free section. |
Uhm no, I'm not allowed to post outside of the critics section, or my posts get moved.
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Trolls like Johnny Pixel go beyond being a critic they are destructive personality critics not information critics.
| Quote: | | I welcome the chance to discuss the evidence with anyone who dissagrees so long as it's constructive and respectful |
[color=blue]I also do if they are prepared to be open minded and check out the evidence that is presented to them here. Sadly the Trolls/shills come here for the wrong reason and that is to protect the officlal version of 911 at whatever cost.
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I have checked out your "evidence" There isn't any to check out.
| Quote: | [color=blue]I would have to disagree with you on that. If you really want to see why follow the threads that Johnny Pixels, Jay ref are involved in. Their blogging is obessive and abnormal and they achieve nothing in terms of resolving the arguement but create disharmony and destroy the focus of the thread started with.
The trolls/shills use the usual establishment practice of playing the man as opposed to the ball. |
No, there are many examples of threads in this critics corner where the thread has been taken off to posting pictures of weasels, monty python, and accusations of me being a piece of AI software, all by the truth movement, and all because they couldn't respond to my arguments.
| Quote: | | Most websites would ban them but I think that the moderators here have come up with a fair and reasonable system that IMO could work if the Trolls/shills are compliant with sticking to Critics Corner. Sadly they are not (Johnny Pixels has already abused that on three occasions to date) |
Yes, it would be so much easier if there weren't so many pesky facts in the way.
| Quote: | | If they dont like being confined to CC then I have no sympathy for them whatsover as they have been put there due to their disrespect for this website and those who come to this website for the right reasons (i.e to satisfy their curiosity and judge from the information provided here if the official conspiracy version provide by the Kean Commission report is the official conspiracy or the truth) |
How will the truth movement progress beyond this forum, if it can't answer one lowly mans arguments? There are people out there that know much more than me about engineering, physics, science, politics etc.
| Quote: | | I hope that you enjoy using this site MM in your pursuit of truth and are not, due to unreasonable and unsatisfactory blog content, confined to the Critics Corner, which is I find quite entertaining for monitoring at times when taken as in a small dose. |
Yes, don't disagree, or we'll hide you away.
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The fact is the opportunity is there for the Trolls/shills to provide the evidence to support the official conspiracy version of 911. Almost five years on and we are still waiting!
You will discover that the Trolls/shills are a rare species on this website but be warned feeding them will result in personal insults if you disagree with them or side with the 911 skeptics.
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True, there are only maybe 5 of us, but only 2 regular posters. Yet you've had to make a critics corner to coop up 2 posters. Good on you truth movement, you're getting strong now.
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| Pikey wrote: | Welcome MM,
Eight blogs on your first day here and your already defending the Trolls/shills, and there is nothing on your profile. |
I'm not defending him per se. I've just always been a firm and uncompromising proponent of freedom of speech. If we don't defend that, then we are no better than the Bushites.
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Why have you come here?
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I believe google led me here, or it might have been a search I did on www.st911.com, i don't remember actually. I've been voraciously reading articles and watching videos recently but I wanted to see what the average joe is thinking. Is that all right?
| Pikey wrote: | | Do you support our call for a full professional independent investigation into 911 and the hundreds of smoking guns revealed on this website? |
Do a search of all my posts and it will become self-evident where I stand. I am thoroughly convinced that the towers were not destroyed by the planes that hit them, that the pentagon was not hit by the plane they say hit it, and there are many other suspicious circumstances surrounding the tradegy, perhaps most important of which is it's use by the Bush and Blair administrations to leverage their wars in the mid-east.
| Pikey wrote: | If you read the abuse, intimidation, and personal insults contained in the blog of a Troll/shill you will understand why.
Reasoned and respectful debate on 911 is what is experienced here with the exception of Critics corner.
If critics have any evidence to substantiate the official version such as the Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon (NB CCTV cameras all around the Pentagon) then they are welcome to paste it in the Troll & Troll free section. |
This isn't my first blog, though we call them bulletin or discussion boards where I come from. I guess blog is the in term nowadays. Anyways... Abuse, intimidation and insults are easily ignored and are excellent ways to distinguish intelligent, reasonable people from the pretenders. The problem I start to have is that if you shunt off ALL opposing views, even the respectful, sincere opposing views, then what is providing your reality check? As you will tell from my other posts I am a proponent of forcing an independant investigation into 911. I believe from the evidence that the towers were brought down in a controlled demolition and the pentagon was not hit by Flight 77 but a much smaller craft or missile. However, I want to be sure I'm correct. If I'm trying to convince other people of what I think occurred in this tragedy, I want to know what I'm talking about. If someone with an opposing view has some evidence or view that I haven't considered, I want to hear it! With all due respect, sitting around on a bulletin board (sorry, blog) reinforcing each other's already agreed upon positions, does not invite a rigorous testing of my thinking on the subject. It will keep me updated on new developments and open up avenues of speculation I perhaps hadn't considered previously, which is good and another reason I'm here, but I'd also like my thoughts challenged by those with opposing views. I WANT that reality check, and I should think we should all at least be able to deal with it.
| Pikey wrote: | | Trolls like Johnny Pixel go beyond being a critic they are destructive personality critics not information critics. |
And if that turns out to be the case then I shall learn to ignore his posts and threads as a waste of my time. His loss /shrug.
| Pikey wrote: | | Quote: | | I welcome the chance to discuss the evidence with anyone who dissagrees so long as it's constructive and respectful |
I also do if they are prepared to be open minded and check out the evidence that is presented to them here. Sadly the Trolls/shills come here for the wrong reason and that is to protect the officlal version of 911 at whatever cost. |
Do you really think they're all like that? Is there no room for us to keep an open-mind, also? I have many american web-pals that have been brought up to believe everything there government tells them and many of them will cling extremely tightly to that security. Does that make them shills?
| Pikey wrote: | | I once believed the official version of 911. Once I had read David Ray Griffins "The New Pearl Harbour" I realised that the official version of 911 was without doubt a travesty of the truth, simply due to the lack of evidence produced to substantiate what is to me the official conspiracy theory. |
Then we've followed similar paths. I, myself, was convinced by the physical evidence seen in many video tapes of that day.
| Pikey wrote: | | Quote: | | You don't even need to ban the non-constructive, non-respectful posters because they are obvious and great boosts for the whatever argument they are opposing. |
I would have to disagree with you on that. If you really want to see why follow the threads that Johnny Pixels, Jay ref are involved in. Their blogging is obessive and abnormal and they achieve nothing in terms of resolving the arguement but create disharmony and destroy the focus of the thread started with.
The trolls/shills use the usual establishment practice of playing the man as opposed to the ball.
Most websites would ban them but I think that the moderators here have come up with a fair and reasonable system that IMO could work if the Trolls/shills are compliant with sticking to Critics Corner. Sadly they are not (Johnny Pixels has already abused that on three occasions to date)
If they dont like being confined to CC then I have no sympathy for them whatsover as they have been put there due to their disrespect for this website and those who come to this website for the right reasons (i.e to satisfy their curiosity and judge from the information provided here if the official conspiracy version provide by the Kean Commission report is the official conspiracy or the truth) |
I thought dissenters were all supposed to be confined to the CC, respectful or otherwise? I really don't have a problem with anything that is done to abusive posters. Ban them, I don't care. I ignore them, anyway, so they really don't bother me. We're no better than any other censor if we 'confine' sincere people that have something to say, no matter their point of view.
| Pikey wrote: | | I hope that you enjoy using this site MM in your pursuit of truth and are not, due to unreasonable and unsatisfactory blog content, confined to the Critics Corner, which is I find quite entertaining for monitoring at times when taken as in a small dose. |
Sorry for being obtuse, but I'm really not sure what u mean by this, particularly the bolded section. Do you mean I should watch what I say or I'll be pigeon-holed a 'shill' or 'troll'?
| Pikey wrote: | The fact is the opportunity is there for the Trolls/shills to provide the evidence to support the official conspiracy version of 911. Almost five years on and we are still waiting!
You will discover that the Trolls/shills are a rare species on this website but be warned feeding them will result in personal insults if you disagree with them or side with the 911 skeptics.
Check out the evidence here thoroughly before making your own personal judgement, including critics corner, and if you agree that there is no evidence to substantiate the official version of 911 consider signing the petition on the front/home page
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Don't make assumptions about what my views are just because they don't perfectly mirror yours. Creating a 'blog' that prevents full discussion of an issue, particularly a subject like 911 that is not fully understood, is another symptom of neo-conservatism, IMO, and I mean that with all respect. If we employ the tactics of our enemies, we are no better than them.
I expected passionate debate when I came here but I didn't expect to be argueing with a fellow 911 conspiracy proponent. Not what I came here for. Oh well.
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Brian,
I am curious as to why you read a conspiracy into the video footage at the Pentagon. I am led to believe and see no reason why not to believe that all the video footage of the actual impact has infact been released into the public domain.
There is other footage that is being held by the US government, but again I am led to believe this does not show the actual impact of the aircraft. It appears to be misconception that there were dozens of cameras pointing at the pentagon at the time and all captured the aircraft hitting.
Anyways here is the strange thing and maybe you could give it some thought.
If you were going to fire a missile or something else at a building and the make it out to be a large fixed winged aircraft, when would you do it?
Maybe undercover of darkness, with as few people as possible to witnesses it?
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but also why, full stop. think about it, if they want a false motif for going to war, the got one from 9/11, whats the point in launching a missile attack agianst the pentagon and crashing a random plane out in a field. Neither of those are going to stir up the public anymore
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| Bongo Brian wrote: | Johnny Pixels,
| Quote: | Because you couldn't bear to be shown to be wrong.
How do you KNOW something is wrong when you cannot prove to me, the shill master general or whatever you're calling me today, any single part of your story? Moving posts to the critics corner is little more than sweeping your problems under the carpet. |
I would not insult you 'Mr Pixels' as to suggest that I could prove anything.
I cannot... All I can do is question, that is all... So I ask you this...
Why have we not seen footage of a plane hit the Pentagon?
I am sure this is an easy question for a man of your stature... Therefore, I am looking forward to being enlightened. 
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Firstly ythe only cameras that covered that area AND were cameras that recorded footage were the parking gate cameras. The rest of the Pentagon is covered by CCTV that is monitored by security guards. They need to respond immediately to threats against the Pentagon, they don't need to record footage.
Secondly, the parking gate cameras DO show a plane hitting the Pentagon. That white object is much, much too large to be a missile, but does fit the dimensions of a 757, combined with the fact that a 757 was found embeded in the Pentagon.
There is more to life than video evidence. Just becauase it wasn't on TV doesn't mean it wasn't true. You never saw Pan-Am flight 103 explode on video, but the wreckage strewn across Lockerbie was pretty conclusive. Unless you think that was a conspiracy too.
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| stateofgrace wrote: | Brian,
I am curious as to why you read a conspiracy into the video footage at the Pentagon. I am led to believe and see no reason why not to believe that all the video footage of the actual impact has infact been released into the public domain.
There is other footage that is being held by the US government, but again I am led to believe this does not show the actual impact of the aircraft. It appears to be misconception that there were dozens of cameras pointing at the pentagon at the time and all captured the aircraft hitting. |
what unbelievable drivel, I vowed not to give the trolls any of the attention they so crave but this tw*t is utterly devoid of brains. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: Re: The Loose Cannon of 9/11 |
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| Johnny Pixels wrote: | | TRUTH wrote: |
"I've got four movie studios [including Paramount and Miramax] beating down my door to make the final cut," says Rowe, who's now got offices from California to London to handle his growing company. |
So how much money is he making out of this? |
How much money has PBS made from their 9/11 documentaries? How much money has the BBC made from theirs? None of these videos are available for free, legally.
How much money has Universal grossed for Flight 93? I actually have the answer to that, it's $31,483,450 - if you believe this. The flowers could barely bloom on the graves of 9/11 victims before they made this film.
How much money did Michael Moore and Lion's Gate gross from their whitewash coverup "Fahrenheit 9/11"? About $119,194,771.
How much money is Oliver Stone going to make from his new movie "World Trade Center"? Only time will tell.
How much have mainstream media news networks like FOX and CNN made from peddling the official lies? Quite a lot, I'm certain.
For that matter, how much have the neo-cons, the military-industrial complex, the fascist corporations, the international bankers and the new world order profited from the panic, fear, and control which were generated as a result of 9/11? All of this is to be compared to what, the profits of a few "conspiracy hucksters"?
As a skeptic myself, I question your sense of priority.
If we want to hear the official lies promulgated by the government and mainstream media, we can pay for the privilege, or, simply turn on the television. Most of the producers of alternative accounts of 9/11 have made their material available for free. This is because they recognize that the world is at a crucial juncture. It will either be truth or lies that prevail. They recognize that the truth getting out is more important than short term profits, because there may come a time in the near future where it won't matter how much money you have.
If FOX and CNN can make billions reporting lies, I don't have a problem with alternative journalists and documentarians profiting by the truth. If you don't agree with what is being said, and you feel it isn't true, then feel free to contest it. While you seem to have convinced yourself about exactly what happend on 9/11, you haven't done a very good job of convincing me. |
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stateofgrace
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| Ally wrote: |
what unbelievable drivel, I vowed not to give the trolls any of the attention they so crave but this tw*t is utterly devoid of brains. |
Really?
Rather than act like a child maybe you could actually show some level of maturity and address what I have put.
Your failure to acknowledge why people would question you and ask reasonable questions of your theories is your failure and the failure of this entire forum.
So address the question, why was this attack carried out in broad daylight?
Once you have done this outline the precise sequence of events that happened at the Pentagon and what happened to Flight 77.
Or you could scuttle off and carry on acting like an immature childish brat. |
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Alek
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| MiniMauve wrote: | | Why would we limit our critics? If we can't defend our arguments then we shouldn't open our mouthes in the first place. I welcome the chance to discuss the evidence with anyone who dissagrees so long as it's constructive and respectful. You don't even need to ban the non-constructive, non-respectful posters because they are obvious and great boosts for the whatever argument they are opposing. |
I agree with the spirit of your sentiment. The problem is that the views they espouse are the status quo, which is reinforced continually by the government and media. They're the majority, we're the minority, and they are causing discord in the truth movement, a movement in which time is of the essence. We're in danger of another false flag operation which will make everyone completely forget about 9/11, and we can't afford to let that happen.
The JREF people aren't coming here to discuss 9/11 earnestly, they're coming here to parrot the government's version of the truth in a lecturing fashion. To add insult, they came here asking innocuous questions for which they were quickly prepared to answer. The government already has enough paid shills in the mainstream media, why should the JREFers as unwitting dupes be able to use this medium to alleviate skepticism of the official 9/11 conspiracy theory? They have their own forum to do that freely, and people will be left to make up their own minds. To the extent that they serve to correct errors and keep the truth movement on point, they are helping us. To the extent that people like Jay Ref lose their credibility by using words like "idiot" and "moron" in every post to describe the people he's addressing, they are helping us. I suppose it's unfortunate for JREF that this person decided to represent them with his username here.
This is a great forum. I'm from California, and I have to say that the level of discussion here is a notch higher than most US-based forums. I should thank JREF for referring me here inadvertently. The moderators of the forum are exceedingly generous for providing them with their own index. They get to lecture us and disparage our intellects, but they don't get to derail the main threads. |
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Ally
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| top post Alek, howz the weather in Kali? |
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Johnny Pixels
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: The Loose Cannon of 9/11 |
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| Alek wrote: | | Johnny Pixels wrote: | | TRUTH wrote: |
"I've got four movie studios [including Paramount and Miramax] beating down my door to make the final cut," says Rowe, who's now got offices from California to London to handle his growing company. |
So how much money is he making out of this? |
How much money has PBS made from their 9/11 documentaries? How much money has the BBC made from theirs? None of these videos are available for free, legally.
How much money has Universal grossed for Flight 93? I actually have the answer to that, it's $31,483,450 - if you believe this. The flowers could barely bloom on the graves of 9/11 victims before they made this film.
How much money did Michael Moore and Lion's Gate gross from their whitewash coverup "Fahrenheit 9/11"? About $119,194,771.
How much money is Oliver Stone going to make from his new movie "World Trade Center"? Only time will tell.
How much have mainstream media news networks like FOX and CNN made from peddling the official lies? Quite a lot, I'm certain.
For that matter, how much have the neo-cons, the military-industrial complex, the fascist corporations, the international bankers and the new world order profited from the panic, fear, and control which were generated as a result of 9/11? All of this is to be compared to what, the profits of a few "conspiracy hucksters"?
As a skeptic myself, I question your sense of priority.
If we want to hear the official lies promulgated by the government and mainstream media, we can pay for the privilege, or, simply turn on the television. Most of the producers of alternative accounts of 9/11 have made their material available for free. This is because they recognize that the world is at a crucial juncture. It will either be truth or lies that prevail. They recognize that the truth getting out is more important than short term profits, because there may come a time in the near future where it won't matter how much money you have.
If FOX and CNN can make billions reporting lies, I don't have a problem with alternative journalists and documentarians profiting by the truth. If you don't agree with what is being said, and you feel it isn't true, then feel free to contest it. While you seem to have convinced yourself about exactly what happend on 9/11, you haven't done a very good job of convincing me. |
The makers of United 93 have donated more than $1 million to a memorial for the flight.
10% of the profits of World Trade Centre's opening week are going to charity.
BBC and PBS documentaries raise awarness about the situation, and help people to understand what happened.
0% of Loose Change and other documentaries go towards the victims families. 0% of Loose Change and other documentaries goes towards helping people understand what happened and why.
By your reasoning I could make a documentary on how you were a child abuser, and make millions from it, and even though it would be 100% lies, that'd be fine by you, that I could make money out of ruining your life.
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Johnny Pixels
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Hmm, that link seems to show "truthers" posting pictures of weasels. Great arguments they had there.
Do you actually take that seriously? You do know that Telewest Broadband does not actually cover central London, where the security services are?
| Quote: | So readers decide for yourselves who is being "shown to be wrong".
Thanks for being self-documenting - it saves us time! |
Thanks for the irony. G'night folks
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chipmunk stew
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| Alek wrote: | | To the extent that they serve to correct errors and keep the truth movement on point, they are helping us. |
I agree.
| Alek wrote: | | This is a great forum. I'm from California, and I have to say that the level of discussion here is a notch higher than most US-based forums. |
I agree.
| Alek wrote: | | I should thank JREF for referring me here inadvertently. The moderators of the forum are exceedingly generous for providing them with their own index. |
To the extent that their generosity exceeds beyond every other Truth Movement forum I've ever visited, I agree. |
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Ally
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| Andrew Johnson wrote: | We know what JP's tactics are - to engage people in circular arguments.
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day in day out too andrew, spewing same old nonsense, it rediculus |
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