'No public inquiry' into 7 July

[Adrian]

Well well well what a surprise

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4526604.stm

'No public inquiry' into 7 July

Aldgate was one of the stations damaged in the bomb attacks
The government is likely to reject calls for a public inquiry into the 7 July bomb attacks on London.

Ministers will instead publish a definitive account of what happened, the BBC has learned.

The account would include material gathered from intelligence agencies and evidence compiled by police.

The absence of a wider public inquiry is likely to anger Muslim community groups, who argue that it is essential to understanding what happened.

After the bombings there were calls for a public inquiry and, in September, the home secretary said it had not been ruled out.

But ministers felt it would divert attention and resources away from pressing security and community issues and take too long.

The government has acknowledged, however, that the public requires a complete picture about the events of 7 July and details about the four men who carried out the attacks.

The remit of the inquests into their deaths does not extend that far and the information will not emerge at a criminal trial - because there will not be one as the bombers are dead.

Instead, a senior civil servant will compile a narrative, drawing together intelligence and police material.

It is expected that the document will be submitted for publication to two Parliamentary committees which are conducting their own inquiries.

The attacks by four suicide bombers on three Tube trains and a bus killed 52 people and injured hundreds.

http://www.officialconfusion.com
http://www.officialconfusion.com/headlines.html

[Adrian]

"It is expected that the document will be submitted for publication to two Parliamentary committees which are conducting their own inquiries."

http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_committees/parliamentary_commit tees16.cfm

Who knows which 2 committees and surely the BBC cant mean one person when they state, "a senior civil servant will compile a narrative, drawing together intelligence and police material.

Wouldn't surprise me though.

What MI5 MI6 et al say will of course never be doubted.....

Another whitewash is on the horizon.....

[Akbal13]

"There will be no public inquiry into the 7 July London bombings which killed 52 people, the Home Office has said."

"Ministers will instead publish a definitive account of what happened in a written narrative."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4526604.stm

Presumably this written narrative is to take the form of a fairy story where all the good children of the nation will be told about the horrible Islamic terrorists who constantly slip through our borders to terrorize us ...

What other western European country would accept the highly dubious circumstances in which 52 innocent folk were killed by so-called terrorists and not insist on an independent public inquiry?

What is the Bliar Government trying to conceal this time? That the bomb-attack was Britain's 911 and as we all know who did that without any proper inquiry we certainly don't want one now?

Pull the other one, Bliar, you've been sussed. He'll be a tad too young to remember a popular East European anecdote from Stalin's time which went along the lines of, "whatever you hear from the government media, believe the opposite and you won't be far wrong."

[ian neal]

Here comes another 'dodgy dossier' only this time it's called a narrative.

Are there historical parallels with other similar events that were allowed a public inquiry that we can quote back at HMG to ask if then why not now?

[Sinclair]

I was wondering what had happened to the alleged failed bomber Hussain Osman after his extradition back to this country. I did a Google News search ( http://news.google.co.uk/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=%22hussain+Osman%22&ie=U TF-8&scoring=d ) and there is VERY LITTLE info on the fact that on Thursday Dec 8th he appeared with others at the Old Bailey.

See:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000102&sid=agdDCnUOHOng&refer =uk
& http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1662555,00.html  ?gusrc=rss

The trial of the 5 ‘alleged bombers’ (Hussain Osman, Yassin Hassan Omar, Muktar Said Ibrahim and Ramzi Mohamed ) is provisionally set for September 2006.

The men are being held in Belmarsh prison and appeared before the court via video link.


I also came across this link ( here ) which details that 10 people are in court for ‘helping the alleged July 21 bombers’

[insidejob]

I think we have another chance to argue for a public inquiry after this ‘narrative’ has been released. No doubt, there will be inconsistencies and holes in this narrative that we can make public.

There is a problem in arguing on the basis that 7/7 was an inside job because many people will think it ridiculous. The families of the bereaved can be used to ridicule this view. I would argue that a credible position can be adopted: the culpability of the security services and the police. We should argue that the security services are at least indirectly responsible for 7/7 because of their sponsorship of Muslim radicals and because of their incompetence.

1. The security services let Saddique Khan slip through their fingers. Was that because he was an agent?
2. After 7/7, the former Met Police chief argued that there were 3,000 trained, potential UK terrorists in the country yet, around 700 people have been arrested under terrorist-related charges and only two have been convicted. Clearly, most people arrested due to Islamic-related terrorism were totally innocent yet there are 3,000 terrorists running around Britain.
3. There are long-standing links between UK-based ‘Muslim radicals’ and the security services. In the ‘80s, Al-Muhajiroun was used by the secret services to recruit UK Muslims to fight in Kosovo. An immigration appeals case showed that the security service tried to recruit Abu Quatada, thought to be Al Queda in Europe. One argument is that he fooled the security services. Nonetheless, the security services helped to create an environment that led to 7/7.
4. The security services had Saddique Khan under surveillance and let him go. Was that because they thought he was, like Quatada, one of theirs?
5. What about the Al Queda connection? The Khan video was put together with a statement from the Al Queda number 2 yet the police have been unable to uncover any Al Queda link. What’s going on?
6. 7/7 suggests that there are a lot of Muslims who are angry with the West and a minority of them are prepared to engage in criminal violence and murder because of it. Yet, 7/7 was out of the blue. There have been virtually no smaller acts of criminal violence in Britain in sympathy with 7/7. That is, there are no acts of criminal violence by Muslims that would suggest Muslims are so angry with the West that some may kill. Is the view about Muslims getting caught up with terrorists wrong?

All these questions are perfectly valid and their answers could point to a false flag operation but they do not turn off the public by arguing a conspiracy.

insidejob

[Sinclair]

On this mornings BBC1 Breakfast News, there was an interview with a man named Crispin Black, an ex intelligence Officer who was being interviewed re. the lack of a 7/7 public enquiry. He was calling for such a public enquiry, as was a member of the Muslim Council of GB.

Doing some further net research on Mr Black turns up the following article which is worth reproducing in this thread.

From http://www.sundayherald.com/52933

London bombings: ‘British intelligence was woeful ... and that was all the government’s fault’

Waging war on Iraq brought terror to UK, says expert
By Neil Mackay, Investigations Editor, Sunday Herald

THE conduct of the British police and intelligence services over the July 7 London bombings was a “massive failure from start to finish” for which the government must take the blame.
This withering criticism comes from Crispin Black, who worked for the Joint Intelligence Committee, was an army lieutenant colonel, a military intelligence officer, a member of the Defence Intelligence Staff and a Cabinet Office intelligence analyst who briefed Number 10 on terrorism.

Black says the bombings made UK spies appear “laughable” and left the police looking like “the Keystone Cops”. He claims the UK government’s refusal to accept that its role in the invasion of Iraq had increased the risk of home-grown terrorism meant that MI5 did not look as closely at British radicals in the run-up to the bomb attacks as it should have done.

“The system failed – fatally,” Black said, adding that the biggest error was the “misappreciation of the extent to which the aims and aspirations of international terrorists had penetrated into small elements of the UK’s domestic Muslim population”.

In his new book, 7-7 The London Bombs: What Went Wrong?, Black savages MI5’s Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC) for reducing the UK terrorist threat level just over a month before the suicide bomb attacks. JTAC also claimed that there was no group in the UK with the intention or capability of launching a terror attack. Black said the JTAC decision “took our eye off the ball” and showed that “we have a bad and confused attitude to terrorism”.

“The disturbing thing about this assessment is that it was moving in diametrically the opposite direction to what was about to happen on the ground,” he said, adding that politicians “had set the tone” for such failures. “The entire investigation was a massive failure from beginning to end.

“I felt strongly and still do that we had failed the people killed and wounded that day – badly,” claimed Black. “The way we were organising ourselves to protect our law-abiding citizens against the random and ghastly violence of terror had not worked.”

He is now calling for a public inquiry to examine how mistakes were made.

“We pay [politicians’] salaries first and foremost to make sure that we are safe … They risk forgetting their core function,” he stated.

Black said that Britain “went to sleep” in the run-up to the attacks. The intelligence services had previously monitored the leader of the July 7 bombings, Mohammed Siddique Khan, as part of an anti-terror inquiry, but failed to follow up on his activities.

“The authorities decided that he did not constitute a threat. The lead was tragically not exploited,” said Black.

However, some of the most scathing criticism was reserved for the government’s refusal to accept that Iraq played a part in fomenting home-grown terror.

“We know that MI5 accepts the Iraq war has been a radicalising factor pushing a small number of British Muslims towards violence,” said Black. “But given the government’s absolute unwillingness to accept a link between the British presence in Iraq and terrorism, it would have been difficult for [MI5] expressly to give the correct priority to this question.

“Second, a lack of understanding or inquisitiveness on this matter would also tend to reinforce [now old-fashioned] thinking about Islamist terrorism – that in the UK it is essentially an imported rather than home-grown or semi-homegrown phenomenon.”

Black also lambasted the police and intelligence services for allowing Hussain Osman, one of the alleged July 21 “copy-cat” bombers, to flee the country under their noses. “The object of one of the biggest manhunts in British history was able to escape from the country a few days later on the Eurostar after walking past his own wanted poster in Waterloo Station.”

The way the government “cooked the intelligence books” over the invasion of Iraq played into the hands of terrorists, he said. “It is not just that many people view the war as unjust and illegal, but they believe it was based on a lie. The enabling atmosphere for Islamist terrorism feeds off the way we went to war as well as the perceived nature of the war itself.

“The intelligence scandals could not have been designed better to cause offence, disaffection and alienation among the Muslim community. The irony is that cooking the intelligence books may well be one of the causes of our current difficulties, and one of the most powerful tools we have against terrorism are our intelligence services – compromised by this cavalier approach.”

Published 20 November 2005

Also see http://www.guardian.co.uk/butler/story/0,14750,1261770,00.html

[ianrcrane]

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=593&edition=1&ttl =20051214170218

Due to the limit of 750 characters, the following letter was broken into three and posted on the the above mentioned BBC Bulletin Board. However, being a moderated BB, it will be interesting to see whather any of the submissions get posted! Meanwhile, lets see how the BBC react to 'pro-inquiry' comments. Go to the link above and register your view.

The full text of my submission would have been as follows:

"On Monday, July 11, Tony Blair refused demands for a government inquiry into the bombings, insisting, that an investigation would distract from the task of catching the perpetrators, and announced that he believed an inquiry into the bombings would be a "ludicrous diversion."

We can perhaps understand why Tony Blair would regard any inquiry into the events of 7/7 as a 'Ludicrous diversion', when taking into account the potential testimony of Peter Power (Visor Consultants) and the statements of 3,500 'eye-witnesses' many of whom would appear to have a very different recall of events that the version being offered up by the Mainstream Media. To say nothing of the statements recalling that the bombs blew the floor tiles of the train upwards!

In a BBC Radio 5 interview which was aired on that very evening, July 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, a firm which labels itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, also known as a PR firm.

Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.

Visor's managing director told the radio show's host that at the exact same time as the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise drill in which the London Underground was being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

Peter Power interview transcript is as follows:

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

The fact that the exercise mirrored the exact locations and times of the bombings goes beyond to it being a 'coincidence'. According to Power the drill focused around 'simultaneous bombings'.

Key Questions for Peter Power
Managing Director – Visor Consultants

1). What was the name of the Company / organization that contracted Visor Consultants to conduct the ‘Terror Exercises’ on Thursday July 7th 2005?

2). What are the names of the individuals who established the contract withVisor Consultants and what is their relationship with the British (or any other national) Government?

3). What was the full nature of the briefing given to Visor Consultants; and when was it given to them?

4). What is the relationship of Peter Power, or any other member of Visor
Consultants, with the British (or any other national) Security Services?

5). With whom was the planning of the July 7th ‘Terror Exercise’ shared?

Somehow I doubt that Peter Power and Visor Consultants will get much of a mention in the forthcoming 'narrative'.

I sense that Professor David Ray Griffin might just be sharpening his pencil for his next book, which may well be titled, 'The 7/7 Narrative - Omissions & Distortions'!

If the truth be properly investigated, the results may well be 'paradigm shifting'. Muslims are (probably) not to blame for the events of 7/7 after all."

Ian R. Crane

[Linda]

WOW sit back boys and girls we are going to read you a narrative on what really did not happen on 7/7.

We are going to tell you a big story so you must all be good and listen very carefuly, because this is a true story.

PASS THE WHITEWASH BUCKET PLEASE.

When are the public going to REVOLT and DEMAND A FULL INDEPENDANT ENQUIRY ????????? HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE TAKE??

SIT DOWN AND BE GOOD BOYS AND GIRLS.

[Adrian]

Clarke Radio 4
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/downloadtrial/radio4/today/today_200 51214-0810_40_st.mp3

Clarke may reveal secret intelligence on July 7 bombers
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,15935,1666777,00.html

7/7 inquiry would be a 'distraction', says Clarke
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1929374,00.html

Families angry as inquiry into July 7 bombing is rejected
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/legal/article333104.ece

Should 7/7 have a public inquiry?
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?sortBy=2&threadID=593&&&&e dition=1&ttl=20051214182231

PM defends bomb inquiry decision
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4527104.stm

Blair: no need for July 7 inquiry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,,1667079,00.html

http://www.officialconfusion.com
http://www.officialconfusion.com/headlines.html

[Akbal13]

I quite agree. How much can a so-called democracy take before it is deemed to be an oligarchy or a dictatorship?

I do not know of any British Prime Minister who has behaved in such a dictatorial manner as Blair. Now the Press are calling him a lame duck. Yet he is allowed to get away with abuse after abuse, crime after crime.

If I had the means (which I don't) I would invest in finding the best lawyers in the country to find a way of prosecuting Blair for his gross derelection of duty as a Prime Minister. I would track him down to the end of his days with the intention of having him and his cronies behind bars.

(Two of my ancestors were directly involved in the Guy Fawkes plot. On November 5, I go into mourning for their unfinished business!)

More seriously, though, if Blair refuses us an enquiry then we, the people, should find a way to hold one ourselves. We have to grow up and stop expecting the politicians to act in ways which are simply not in their interest.

What is needed here as it is across the world is nothing less than a revolution. That revolution will begin when folk in the western countries begin to fully understand how their governments are no better than the east European dictatorships used to be.

In Poland, during the days of Solidarnosc, there was a mass movement to organise people's self-defence committees across Poland. Now we need to follow their example. Until we do Britain will sink deeper and deeper into a totalitarian police state (and it's a long way down that road already).

[Adrian]

This secret intel * is what I predicted would happen a while ago. The whole thing has been slowly set up to be deemed an intelligence failure.

See my article from 4th November http://www.officialconfusion.com/Articles/77aswat.html

[roscoe]

From BBC website:

[Adrian]

Some great lines in this article from the Times I had to laugh.

Trials and lack of key facts rule out 7/7 inquiry
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1930927,00.html

[Charles Clarke conceded yesterday that the intelligence services “know only a part of the full story and the challenge they have is to know more of the full story”.]

By the sound of it the police investigating 77 dont have a clue - and well theres obviously just not enough manpower to keep them on the job....

The premise seems to be - why waste money and resources when we know what happened - but then you've got the police saying they don't know what happened in many respects.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Hicks

Go back to bed, Britain, your government has figured out how it all transpired, go back to bed Britain, your government is in control again. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed Britain, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their * skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go Britain - you are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!

[Techybloke666]

I,ve got an interesting puzzle for you if your all up to it !

[Adrian]

Yep another inconsistency - its all about the images to the public consciousness - FEAR - keep in mind when they released those images.