How

[CG]

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[Graham]

And if those Muslims accused of 911 , didn't actually do it? Would that change your views? Doubt it.

[CG]

sorry, dont undersand what you mean

[CG]

The people that have been accused of 9-11 are the people that died that day. nothing would chnage my opinion on this. its what i think and thats what forums are for, to say how you feel.

[Justin]

CG - welcome to the Forum but please do your research first before writing. Absolutely no way did Muslim fanatics carry out 9/11.

[Wokeman]

CG,
I do not believe that Muslims in New York flew the "planes" that hit the WTC and I do not believe that Muslims in London bombed the trains. As Justin suggested, please do some research.

[CG]

i think people that try and make theories are bored. any major event that has happened always has at least 1 conspiricy theory attached to it, does that not confirm to people that human beings are always thinking and sometimes think too much, and before you say anything i have reaserched into it for 4 years and was in lower manhatten when the planes hit.

why cant people just accept things for what they are?

i have reaserched into this for 4 years, please dont insult because i dont belive what you do, its my opinion on the matter.

what about all the witnesses that phoned their relatives on planes that day? what about the piolets that trained these muslims to fly in Florida and were asked by them to concentrate on flying the plane, they were not interested in landing or take off´s.

as someone who lost good friends that day it hurts me terribly that we feel we have to justify everything.

it is a known fact the bigger the story the more theories come out about it.

[Justin]

CG said

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Hi CG

Welcome to the forum

You say you have been researching 911 for the past 4 years.

What is the purpose of your research?

Which bits of 911 do you find most interesting?

Do you think the official version of events are spot on?

Do you think there are any areas of the official report on 911 that could be wrong and if so please say what they are

[CG]

i dont think ive got a closed mind cause ive already read half the stuff that you posted (or similar) before.

i think people are constantly searching for answers.

i never though they could fly the planes well.

my father once (not that this is a clever idea at all) phoned us from his mobile phone on a flight to bahrain, i have also once (again not clever) tested signal on my mob in the air at 32000 feet and i got signal, i kept watching the network providers changing as we travelled.

plus, several people spoke to their loved ones on the phone thaat day, was that all made up aswell?

what about the people that hiacked the planes, have they just disapeared to dust? and the annoncements they made to the passengers that went through to control towers, was that fake aswell?

i personally could comment a lot on the pentagon because i havent looked into it too much because i wasnt there when it happened.

the articles we read regarding theories like this are written by people like you that believe that it is truth, how can we accept a biased claim?

have you read the details that were laid down in the ZM case recently? the letters he sent to several flight traning schools and letters desperatly requesting simulation devices for passenger airliner planes, is he fake aswell?

there was a time that i thought i could belive the theories but after thought and a lot of reading, looking at pictures, looking at evidence that the police used in court etc..... i dont belive it!

like i said everything that has a huge story attached to it has a million and one conspiracy theories attached to them?!!!!?

[CG]

also, why would they crash planes into important financial buildings which not only would effect their economy but killed many of their top people.

[wepmob2000]

[/quote]




The Impossibility of Flying Heavy Aircraft without Training

http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/Sagadevan21Feb2006.html


[/quote]

Hi Justin, re:the above

Thats a very interesting perspective, accurate and persuasive, do you have any more material like this you could post? Has anyone ever canvassed the opinions of a number of airline pilots? (To hopefully rule out bias)?

[HERA]

Dont you recognise a wind-up - or a special needs case - when you see one?

[scar]

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Hi CG

If you ever get the chance to watch some british comedy on television, I would recommend "Blackadder"

There is a character called Baldrick who reminds me of you

Have you ever thought of having your brain removed and replacing it with a turnip - it could only improve matters.

[Justin]

[Mark Gobell]

From a post earlier on the forum about, ironically "no planes", I was alerted to a thread on alt.politics.use called "Pilots for 9/11 Truth"

I would like to check it out but have no idea how to get into it.

I have the forum here. Is it just a case of scrolling until you find the thread ?

http://alt-news.net/headers/alt.politics.usa/809433/

[wepmob2000]

Hi Justin/Mark

This a fascinating thread of enquiry for me personally. Whilst in the ATC and then the RAF I managed to gain some time at the controls of DHC Chipmunks and SA Bulldogs. To put this in perspective these are primary trainer aircraft somewhat more primitive in most respects than the Cessna 172's purportedly used by the 911 terrorists.

Let me tell you just keeping such an aircraft straight and level is no easy task (even though I was told I had a natural aptitude for flying). Never mind the complex manouvers carried out by the attackers on 911 in what would have been completely alien environments to them. Upon taking the controls of even a simple single engine trainer your disorientation is almost total, I for one did not even know the way back to my airfield, even though it was less than 5 miles away (and I had received instruction in basic instrument scans, etc).

Please try something similar in Microsoft Flight Sim 2004. Fly a Cessna for 2-4 hours, then move straight to the Boeing 737 taking off from the relevant airport(s) near NYC. Before flying the 737 however take a 2-3 mile run, to simulate the physical exertions of actually taking control of the 737 from the incumbent captain. Then see if you can accurately control the aircraft to crash into the WTC? Chances are you won't even know where the hell you are! (Never mind crashing into the Pentagon)

As I say, any further testimony in this field from pilots would be fascinating to say the least (particularly KLM pilots,as they are often ex-Royal Netherlands Air Force pilots and therefore amongst the most skilled in the world).

[wepmob2000]

[Mark Gobell]

Hi Wepmob2000

Good to see you again !

I fully endorse your sentiments about attacking others, it doesn't help anyone whatsoever.

Your perspective on taking the controls after some jogging was brilliant. A simple tale yet highly effective in portraying the context of what we are supposed to believe.

I've read somewhere even skilled pilots find it difficult to crash a 7x7 into tall buildings on a flight simulator.

I used to fly model aircraft and was quite useless.

I also received a birthday gift of a flying lesson once. That was both frightening and hilarious and has since made me forget a long held ambition to fly. Oddly, I still love the idea though.

I held the steering wheel thingy so tightly my fingers went numb. I was so scared I had to ask the pilot to take it because my hands were white and I couldn't feel anything. I was trying to hold the plane up and hold onto it at the same time.

The funniest thing was we flew over the QE2 M25 bridge. I'm not very good with heights and was doing all I could not to look down. He suggested I did and as I peeked through the flimsy window seperating me from certain death, he quickly took over the controls, saying:

"You've just committed a Category A air space violation"

I said: "Oops - what does that mean ?"

"You've just flown into commerical air space, we have to go down."

I have not been back since.

[Busker]