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DaveyJ
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 Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject: Is it always like this? |
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Im not sure if i've joined at some significant point or not, or does it always go round and repeat itself.
Beacuse it seems that no one has got any evidence and the couple of coinicdences can be debunked with 5 mins on google and a little common sense.
- No idea what happened to flight 77 if it didnt hit the pentagon
- When someone says "pull it" as a firefighter, they mean, pull the structure down with cables in a controled maner. Not "okay lads,detonate the secret explosives. "
- No theory for how or who placed the extensive network of explosives in the towers
- No theory for how they surived the impact of two planes.
- No idea who or how people benifited from 9/11, other than a war with Iraq that is costing america billions plus loosing/lost public support and actively stiring people up.
- No evidence what so ever.
- Not the slightest shread of proof, just some coicidences. Nothing that would stand up in a court of law
So isnt it just maybe possible, there is
- No conspiracy
I'll probably get flamed for pointing out the problems. But if one person can post one peice of Evidence, as in somthing that will stand up in court. Or even one unified theory of what happened. Ill listen and if its correct, change my mind.
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SHERITON HOTEL
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| Would the confiscated Pentagon CCTV footage stand up in court? maybe tha's why they won't release it? |
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Ally
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The FBI ruled out any link between Osama and 911 so I guess it wasn't him either.
| Quote: | Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?
By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 28, 2006; A13
Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is a longtime and prominent member of the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted" list, which notes his role as the suspected mastermind of the deadly U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa on Aug. 7, 1998.
But another more infamous date -- Sept. 11, 2001 -- is nowhere to be found on the same FBI notice.
The curious omission underscores the Justice Department's decision, so far, to not seek formal criminal charges against bin Laden for approving al-Qaeda's most notorious and successful terrorist attack. The notice says bin Laden is "a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world" but does not provide details.
The absence has also provided fodder for conspiracy theorists who think the U.S. government or another power was behind the Sept. 11 hijackings. From this point of view, the lack of a Sept. 11 reference suggests that the connection to al-Qaeda is uncertain.
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explorerpm
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| Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Is it always like this? |
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| DaveyJ wrote: | Im not sure if i've joined at some significant point or not, or does it always go round and repeat itself.
Beacuse it seems that no one has got any evidence and the couple of coinicdences can be debunked with 5 mins on google and a little common sense.
- No idea what happened to flight 77 if it didnt hit the pentagon
yet also no marks on the lawn of the pentagon or any sign of damage made by the massive planes wings,no plane seats,luggage,wheels,bodyparts etc. etc.[b]
- When someone says "pull it" as a firefighter, they mean, pull the structure down with cables in a controled maner. Not "okay lads,detonate the secret explosives. "
- No theory for how or who placed the extensive network of explosives in the towers
- No theory for how they surived the impact of two planes.
- No idea who or how people benifited from 9/11, other than a war with Iraq that is costing america billions plus loosing/lost public support and actively stiring people up.
- No evidence what so ever.
- Not the slightest shread of proof, just some coicidences. Nothing that would stand up in a court of law
So isnt it just maybe possible, there is
- No conspiracy
I'll probably get flamed for pointing out the problems. But if one person can post one peice of Evidence, as in somthing that will stand up in court. Or even one unified theory of what happened. Ill listen and if its correct, change my mind. |
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DeFecToR
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Again. The assurtion that there is no evidence.
Do your bloody research.
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DaveyJ
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thats exactly what i mean, no proof, your saying beacuse, there is no damage to turf from a plane hitting a building (note, not the turf, it hit the building) that a terrorist attack and tragdey was actually a multi million dollar, intricate and evil operation conducted by jews.
somtimes you just have to think maybe there is another option to the one i want to think. couldnt it just be, maybe, the plane didnt hit the turf and the building they were aiming for.
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Bushwacker
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[quote="Ally"]The FBI ruled out any link between Osama and 911 so I guess it wasn't him either.
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Not mentioning him on their Most Wanted poster is hardly the same as "ruling out any link", is it? |
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DeFecToR
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[quote="Bushwacker"][quote="Ally"]The FBI ruled out any link between Osama and 911 so I guess it wasn't him either.
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Not mentioning him on their Most Wanted poster is hardly the same as "ruling out any link", is it? |
Do...your...research.
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Bushwacker
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[quote="DeFecToR"][quote="Bushwacker"] | Ally wrote: | The FBI ruled out any link between Osama and 911 so I guess it wasn't him either.
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Not mentioning him on their Most Wanted poster is hardly the same as "ruling out any link", is it? |
Do...your...research. |
That's.....no......answer |
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DeFecToR
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That's.....no......answer |
Look. I could very well spend the next ten minutes explaining why you are wrong on this subject, but why should i bother? If you looked at this issue in depth you would find the facts yourself.
Truth is, i dont care what you believe, on any subject. Believe what you want. This is all a complete waste of time as far as i am concerned.
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blackcat
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| Is it always like this?? Of course it is. When people like you keep posting * like you did again in starting this thread then there is always * flying around. It is easy to stop. Just f*uck off. |
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| DeFecToR wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: |
That's.....no......answer |
Look. I could very well spend the next ten minutes explaining why you are wrong on this subject, but why should i bother? If you looked at this issue in depth you would find the facts yourself.
Truth is, i dont care what you believe, on any subject. Believe what you want. This is all a complete waste of time as far as i am concerned. |
How very strange to post on a forum if you do not care what others think!
Perhaps you can't be bothered, but I believe you simply have no answer. |
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scar
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Hi Bushwacker,
The reason you have been told to do your research is because of what you said here:
"Not mentioning him on their Most Wanted poster is hardly the same as "ruling out any link", is it?"
It has been admitted that there is no evidence to tie Bin Laden to 9/11, the division that were investigating that has been closed now...That would imply they have ruled out any link.
While he is still wanted for other crimes and thus on the list (poster?) its quite easy to see how someone might feel you are time wasting with that comment above in light of what i have just said here, would it not?
Is it worth debating something that the FBI have admitted?
"The FBI ruled out any link between Osama and 911 so I guess it wasn't him either."
Thats a fact. Theres no proof to link him to 911. Do you not believe in innocent until proven guilty? I do.
All the best. |
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| scar wrote: | Hi Bushwacker,
The reason you have been told to do your research is because of what you said here:
"Not mentioning him on their Most Wanted poster is hardly the same as "ruling out any link", is it?"
It has been admitted that there is no evidence to tie Bin Laden to 9/11, the division that were investigating that has been closed now...That would imply they have ruled out any link.
While he is still wanted for other crimes and thus on the list (poster?) its quite easy to see how someone might feel you are time wasting with that comment above in light of what i have just said here, would it not?
Is it worth debating something that the FBI have admitted?
"The FBI ruled out any link between Osama and 911 so I guess it wasn't him either."
Thats a fact. Theres no proof to link him to 911. Do you not believe in innocent until proven guilty? I do.
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Thank you for your courteous reply, scar. Of course I believe in innocent until proved guilty and OBL is entitled to be considered innocent. This would of course apply equally even if convincing proof of his guilt were available, until he was tried and convicted. However, if law enforcement agencies did not investigate the legally innocent they suspected, they would never investigate anyone at all.
The FBI have indeed said there is no hard evidence linking OBL to 9/11, therefore he cannot be indicted for 9/11. However it cannot realistically be said that this is the same as the FBI ruling out any link, even if the CIA/FBI Alec division has been closed. (Thank you for pointing me in that direction, incidentally) That decision reads much more like agency politics and bureaucratic fiddling than any belief that OBL is not linked to 9/11. My conclusion is that the FBI and CIA still consider there is such a link, and are now pursuing him through a different approach, specifically the Conter-Terrorism Center effectively forced on the Bush administration by John Kerry's campaign.
What is truly extraordinay is that after five years there is considered to be no hard evidence of OBL's involvement in 9/11 sufficient even to indict him, yet there was apparently enough evidence in 2001 to mount a war against Afghanistan. Why a war requires a lower standard of evidence than a criminal charge is very strange. |
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scar
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| Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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What is truly extraordinay is that after five years there is considered to be no hard evidence of OBL's involvement in 9/11 sufficient even to indict him, yet there was apparently enough evidence in 2001 to mount a war against Afghanistan. Why a war requires a lower standard of evidence than a criminal charge is very strange. |
Exactly.
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scar
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| Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | However it cannot realistically be said that this is the same as the FBI ruling out any link, even if the CIA/FBI Alec division has been closed. |
I havent ruled out 'any' link. Im not 100% on quite a few aspects of 911, although I dont need to be. I would very much like to know the whole truth.
One thing i do know 100% and that is that the official story of what happened on 9/11 is an utter lie. |
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