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 Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: John Reid on lack of CCTV evidence & forensics |
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This is from a reply from John Reid to survivors.
| Quote: | ''CCTV footage
A number of people questioned why there was a very limited amount of footage of the bombers released to the media. The Metropolitan Police have told us that the primary reason for this is that the footage forms part of the police evidence. Their practice is to limit the release of footage to that which is pertinent to progressing their investigation. In deciding what to release, the police need to take into account that any footage could potentially prejudice any prosecutions that result from the on-going police investigation.''
The Official Account.
''Notwithstanding my conclusions about a public inquiry, I do fully understand how important it is for you to have as much information as possible surrounding the tragic events of last July. That is partly why I undertook the series of meetings with Tessa and why I have given an undertaking that should any new information come to light, I will make it public. In that context I am mentioning again that there was an error in the Official Account which was published on 11 May 2006. This related to the time the train left Luton station with the four bombers aboard. I enclose a copy of the relevant extract of the statement that I made to the House of Commons when I opened the debate on the ISC Annual Report.
Those who attended the Edgware Road meeting believed that there was a possibility of a second error in the Official Account. They said that Mohammed Sidique Khan was by the second set of double doors in the tube carriage at the time of the attack, whereas the Official Account states that Khan was ''most likely near the standing area by the first set of double doors.''
My officials have made enquiries of the Metropolitan Police. The police have confirmed that the wording of the Official Account accurately reflects their initial conclusions following statements they took from witnesses and their early examination of the scene. This shows that the bomb probably exploded near to the first set of doors. But where exactly the bomb exploded has yet to be established. The police are currently awaiting the final report from the Forensic Explosives Laboratory. This will be vital in determining the precise location of the bomb at the time of its detonation.
The wording in the Official Account therefore accurately reflects the police's understanding of the initial examination of the scene. The preface of the Official Account makes it clear that ''the evidence is not yet the full picture'' because it was known at the time of writing that more evidence might emerge from the ongoing police investigation. To date, none of the forensic evidence suggests that the Official Account is incorrect in stating where Khan was ''most likely'' to have been located prior to the explosion. Should the police revise their initial conclusions in the light of further information, an update will be issued.
Yours sincerely
John Reid'' |
http://rachelnorthlondon.blogspot.com/
It is unbelievable that the police do not yet have the forensics report, how long does it take to produce it? (The letter is dated 24/8/06)
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More things to hide, by the sound of it. Still cant get their story straight either.
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Who do the police think they might prosecute? Those on CCTV will be prosecuted in another realm altogether, if at all, and the CCTV images cannot prejudice the trials of any others.
Where Mohammed Sidique Khan was standing surely does not require cutting edge forensics, a big hole should mark the spot! |
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Dont forget the identical IDs found in 2 seperate locations fiasco...they always mess something up with this kind of operation.
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| sr4470 wrote: | | Dont forget the identical IDs found in 2 seperate locations fiasco...they always mess something up with this kind of operation. |
Are you sure it was IDs? I think it was just property from Khan found in two of the locations. |
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numeral
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | sr4470 wrote: | | Dont forget the identical IDs found in 2 seperate locations fiasco...they always mess something up with this kind of operation. |
Are you sure it was IDs? I think it was just property from Khan found in two of the locations. |
Three locations.
7 July: Police exhibits officer telephones into the investigators to say that
along with many other personal items, cash and membership cards
in the name of “Sidique Khan” and “Mr S Tanweer” had been found
at Aldgate. Investigation begins into the identity of these and other
names including through financial records.
8 July: At 23.59, Khan identified as the account holder for a credit card
found at a second scene, Edgware Road.
14 July Property belonging to Khan found at a third scene, Tavistock Square.
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/pdf/july7th-reports-narrative.zip
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| Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| numeral wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | | sr4470 wrote: | | Dont forget the identical IDs found in 2 seperate locations fiasco...they always mess something up with this kind of operation. |
Are you sure it was IDs? I think it was just property from Khan found in two of the locations. |
Three locations.
7 July: Police exhibits officer telephones into the investigators to say that
along with many other personal items, cash and membership cards
in the name of “Sidique Khan” and “Mr S Tanweer” had been found
at Aldgate. Investigation begins into the identity of these and other
names including through financial records.
8 July: At 23.59, Khan identified as the account holder for a credit card
found at a second scene, Edgware Road.
14 July Property belonging to Khan found at a third scene, Tavistock Square.
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/pdf/july7th-reports-narrative.zip |
Thanks for that. So property from Khan was found at three locations, but there were no identical IDs. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| Bushwacker wrote: | | numeral wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | | sr4470 wrote: | | Dont forget the identical IDs found in 2 seperate locations fiasco...they always mess something up with this kind of operation. |
Are you sure it was IDs? I think it was just property from Khan found in two of the locations. |
Three locations.
7 July: Police exhibits officer telephones into the investigators to say that
along with many other personal items, cash and membership cards
in the name of “Sidique Khan” and “Mr S Tanweer” had been found
at Aldgate. Investigation begins into the identity of these and other
names including through financial records.
8 July: At 23.59, Khan identified as the account holder for a credit card
found at a second scene, Edgware Road.
14 July Property belonging to Khan found at a third scene, Tavistock Square.
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/pdf/july7th-reports-narrative.zip |
Thanks for that. So property from Khan was found at three locations, but there were no identical IDs. |
Cash. Why bother to mention cash? People usually carry some cash. It would only be worthy of mention if a large amount of cash was found.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, that's very true, and is the cash necessarily identifiable with Khan and Tanweer? If loose it could have come from another victim, if in a wallet, surely the wallet would have been mentioned. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| numeral wrote: | | Bushwacker wrote: | | sr4470 wrote: | | Dont forget the identical IDs found in 2 seperate locations fiasco...they always mess something up with this kind of operation. |
Are you sure it was IDs? I think it was just property from Khan found in two of the locations. |
Three locations.
7 July: Police exhibits officer telephones into the investigators to say that
along with many other personal items, cash and membership cards
in the name of “Sidique Khan” and “Mr S Tanweer” had been found
at Aldgate. Investigation begins into the identity of these and other
names including through financial records.
8 July: At 23.59, Khan identified as the account holder for a credit card
found at a second scene, Edgware Road.
14 July Property belonging to Khan found at a third scene, Tavistock Square.
http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/pdf/july7th-reports-narrative.zip |
If Mohammed Sidique Khan died under-ground at 08.50, as the Official Report would have everyone believe, then MSK getting his property above ground and on to a number 30 bus diverted into Tavistock Square, almost an hour his death, is indeed a clever trick.
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On second thoughts, it could mean "cash cards" like Switch.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| The Antagonist wrote: | | If Mohammed Sidique Khan died under-ground at 08.50, as the Official Report would have everyone believe, then MSK getting his property above ground and on to a number 30 bus diverted into Tavistock Square, almost an hour his death, is indeed a clever trick. |
Not really, the suggestion would be that the other bombers were carrying property belonging to him, for whatever reason. |
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Bushwacker
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| Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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| numeral wrote: | | On second thoughts, it could mean "cash cards" like Switch. |
That would make more sense. |
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Scott
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Identifiaction seems to have been found at two separate locations for Khan - read again. Mebership card at Aldgate and credit card at Edgware Road.
What investigation is currently goign on? The narrative has been released so why no CCTV now?
Also, I am told a story of one of the bombers buying a battery for a bomb. Has footage (footage, not stills) every been released of any of the alleged bombers buying any such item, or were they shown a picture, told he was in the shop to buy a battery and believed it? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, well, as evidenced here the stories of the official report are complete and utter nonsense
There is no proper evidence proposed - there is nothing there - it's all a complete and obvious empty construct presented to the public to believe
Perhaps the best way to proceed is to remind people what's going to happen to themselves and their kids if we let things continue along this path
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