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9/11 DEBATE ON BBC1 TV AT 10AM --HEAVEN AND EARTH SHOW
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:56 am    Post subject: 9/11 DEBATE ON BBC1 TV AT 10AM --HEAVEN AND EARTH SHOW Reply with quote

WITH DAVID RAY GRIFFIN
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They both did well.

As usual the responses were vague and concerned with the issue in general rather than addressing any of the specific arguments made by Griffin or Shayler.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes well done both Daves...how did he keep his cool with that arrogant b****** Hitchens spouting all his bs
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last night someone mentioned that Griffin will be spending the afternoon with the BBC - anyone know if he'll be doing any radio interviews or anything?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:38 am    Post subject: DRG on "Heaven and Earth" Reply with quote

Anyone see it.

David G spoke about the ten points regarding controlled demolition and the lack of a plane at the Pentagon.

David S spoke about the molten iron at ground zero five weeks after the events, and the history of false flag operations.

The two other guests in the studio were a bit sceptical, one of them a journalist for the Mail on Sunday. I didn't write down his name but maybe we should clog up his in-box????

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes they did do well, i didnt realise david shayler would be on it too

im also please they showed building 7 collapsing, i bet not many people have seen that on mainstream tv in the uk!

im going to write to peter hitchin and outlay the strongest evidence, he said he'd look at any evidence so lets give it to him!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter.hitchens@mailonsunday.co.uk
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peter.hitchens@mailonsunday.co.uk
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers skeptic! i was just going to look for his e mail address

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Skeptic
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the post Skeptic.

I'm jsut off to watch DRG now as I video recorded it.

Peace,

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought that the show went really well, there must be loads of people watching wtc7 building come down and thinking 'what is that? Never seen that before!'
Good to see Paul Hitchen backed into a corner where he had to offer David to show him the evidence.
I have just sent him a polite email to ask if he really will invite David to his office. I dont see the point in emailing him and being rude, it will only make david's task harder.

Did I here Gloria ask David to come back on the show to present her the evidence right at the end?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes im sure gloria did ask david to show the evidence to the show first, im sure some one recorded it and it will be availiable for download at some point

i have also just emailed peter , i wasnt rude just provided a few links for him to look at and was very civil, i agree being rude or aggresive at this point wont do any good ( although some of his comments got me a little worked up!)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i have also just emailed peter , i wasnt rude just provided a few links for him to look at and was very civil, i agree being rude or aggresive at this point wont do any good ( although some of his comments got me a little worked up!)

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'worked up' is a mild way of putting it Paul! At one point he was openly sniggering at David's comments.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I look forward to the day when it will be two 9/11 truthers against one official fairytaler. The way they refer to the 30% or 50% or whatever rising number of believers and raise their eyes heavenward as if to imply "what a bunch of nutters" is really annoying. It has taken FIVE YEARS to get this far and it is impossible to believe that journalists such as Hitchens do not know the truth. As the dam continues to break expect more programmes like this and more people to come on board. As ususal the politicians will follow the lead of their public instead of showing the way. Self-serving *!!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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one of them a journalist for the Mail on Sunday. I didn't write down his name but maybe we should clog up his in-box????

You have never heard of him!!?? What a pleasant thought. Smile

He had a debate with Galoway in New York last September which was all over the internet.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10286.htm Real Player video of the hour long debate.

http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2005/09/galloway_vs_hit.html written transcript of the debate.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't read the Mail.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He goes back a long time before he ever joined the Mail. He was a raging lefty in his youth - when it suited him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Hitchens

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Hitchens is a former Marxist who was for some years a member of the International Socialists, from 1970 to 1975, and later a member of the British Labour Party from 1979 to 1983. He studied politics at York University from 1970 to 1973. He dismisses as untrue a story that he arrived late at a lecture saying he had been "too busy starting the revolution", on the grounds that he seldom attended any lectures at all.

He joined the Conservative Party in 1997 in the belief that it was the democratic resistance to New Labour, but quickly concluded that the Party had no idea what it was facing and would never be able to oppose or defeat New Labour, and subsequently left in 2003. He now belongs to no party and believes that none of any value can be created until the Conservatives split and collapse.

He challenged Michael Portillo for the Conservative Party nomination in the Kensington and Chelsea seat in 1999. Some critics suggest that his failure to secure the nomination explains much of his antipathy towards the Conservative Party, a claim Hitchens rejects on the basis of his having had no serious expectation of being chosen, putting himself forward only to criticise Portillo and his plan to "modernise" the Part
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:47 am    Post subject: What did he mean! Reply with quote

Hitchins said something along the lines of "if we are to believe our government would so something so evil then what hope is there for all of us". As far as I can see thats not evdidence against an inside job.

In effect he is saying we shouldn't believe anything that it is too scary to face!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you could make excuses for people like Hitchens back in the 1930's in nazi germany being swept along with all the propaganda ...but now with so much info out there and the internet then there can be no excuse...either people like Hitchens are total retards or verging on knowingly evil scum...i think the latter in this case
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before you right-off Peter Hitchens as 'evil scum' you should watch this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8130969589921300720
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Leiff.

Just finished watching it.

Indeed what an excellent documentary.

Best wishes,

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hitchens has "believed" in whatever happened to be flavour of the time. He has ranged from left wing looney to right of Genghis Khan. Whatever is in HIS interests is what he will "believe".
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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one of them a journalist for the Mail on Sunday. I didn't write down his name but maybe we should clog up his in-box????

You have never heard of him!!?? What a pleasant thought. Smile

He had a debate with Galoway in New York last September which was all over the internet.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10286.htm Real Player video of the hour long debate.

http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2005/09/galloway_vs_hit.html written transcript of the debate.


Actually, that was Christopher Hitchens, the brother of the journalist who appeared on the Heaven & Earth show this morning whose name is Peter Hitchens.

You might like to read about Christopher Hitchens on Wikipedia, especially about his Jewish ancestry, something his brother Peter plays down.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it sounds like the only good thing to come out of this is the fact that they showed the collapse of WTC7. good work.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they twins??? The one on the Heaven & Earth show looks identical to the man I saw debating with Galloway!??
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What did hitchens say about anyone who questions the official 911 conspiracy fairy story?... Because they've lost religion they are susceptiple to anything they are told ... money for old rope' this Journo' racket! just say the first thing that comes into your head Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't see it all, did anyone get any texts or e-mails sent in read out?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you hear the priest on the couch say something like "you can build a superstructure upon the smallest of suppositions" to dismiss Griffin's theories.

I thought that was rich....coming from a priest! He could have been describing "the church" that he stands for.

It's positive though that many people will have taken their first steps to researching 911 because of the program.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was the 1st time 9/11 Truth issues have been mentioned in any significant detail on mainstream BBC TV (to my knowledge)

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=9181676883393469552&q=griffin+2 006

They even showed the Destruction of WTC 1, 2 and 7
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