Has Shaylor Lost The Plot?

prole art threat · Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: Has Shaylor Lost The Plot?

http://www.jonronson.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1377

Bicnarok · Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject:

He does seem to be going along with the flow, either he knows a lot and should be respected.

Or has noticed how much money can be made out of conspiracys and needs to make new statements to keep the ball rolling.

Annie · Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject:

Hi Bicnorak

Please tell us how to make money out of this - we've been broke since we blew the whistle 9 years ago!

Regards

Annie

Zlocke · Validated Poster Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 59

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

haircut...er have you seen him lately!! Laughing

Jane · Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 11:41 pm Post subject:

Bicnarok · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject:

Hi Annie

I wasn´t actually accusing him of milking the subject but just mentioned the possibility.

You can´t make money out of it because your not an ex spy with inside information! Your not mentioned in Wikipedia or anywhere on the net (maybe im wrong and your famous if so sorry)

And do you seriously think he doesn´t make money? He´s written a few books as far as I can remember, I doubt he did it for free. Or that he did various newspaper artikels for free.

When your famous you can use your fame to make money, its as simple as that. Look at how many footballers, actors wife´s girlfriends get somewhere just because thier name is know.

Like I said Im not accusing him, the possibility remains, don´t blindly follow anyone unless you become one of the sheeple that we are trying to free.

Bicnarok.

Jayhawk · Moderate Poster Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 188

Bicnarok - were you aware of Annie's relationship to David, or am I just missing your point? Smile

ian neal · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject:

Apparently not

Please engage brain before posting if at all possible

Zlocke · Validated Poster Joined: 09 Sep 2006 Posts: 59

I've just seen Mr Shaylor with his new hair cut - maybe he heard me!!!!
(note for editor - when I say "Seen", I don't mean that I am stalking him, and just peeked a view as he drew the curtains!!! I saw a picture of him!!)

iro · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 376

Jane · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: Money ...

I would have thought that if David Shayler's main objective in life had been to stash as much cash as you can and b* the morality of the situation...he would still be in MI5 (with or without Annie), doing very well for himself, thank you, and minus a little bit of his soul...those of us who know him, know he may not be perfect, but he would appear to have more about him than most people, many of whom compromise their morals for money all the time (half the time without even "noticing") - but in less dramatic circumstances and without having to go to prison as a consequence of their decision...

Abandoned Ego · Moderate Poster Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 288

Anyone casting aspersions on either David or Annies commitment to this cause obviously wasnt at the gathering this weekend.

I think that tells me as much as I need to know about his critics really.

ian neal · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:05 am Post subject:

IronSnot · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:28 am Post subject:

And locking up my 7/7 thread, which seems kind of strange. Was this thread pornographic?

Anyway I watched the BBC interview on the net. If I didn't have a view one way or the other, I'd have ruled that one as a win to Hitchens and not bothered to investigate further. The clincher was the idiotic question from Shayler to Hitchens asking him if he was a christian.

ian neal · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:37 am Post subject:

Which thread Ironsnot?

ian neal · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:39 am Post subject:

prole art threat · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:45 am Post subject:

scar · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:48 am Post subject:

ian neal · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:10 am Post subject:

Oh I very vaguely remember that one although not the specifics.

Ironsnot, the solution to any grievance on moderation is to PM me or one of the other moderators. We will then try to explain our perspective(s) and reasoning, we will listen to yours and then make a decision which hopefully is mutually agreeable. This can be done by email or phone

Is it the particular evidence that you presented in this thread or is it the general approach to moderation that you have a problem with. Assuming you think this is important. If not. let's move on

Dr Hemp · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:00 am Post subject:

kbo234 · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 11:17 am Post subject:

ian neal · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:

David S accepts this. It is discussed more on the New Statesman article thread. David showed what he has to offer to the campaign based on his speech at Conway Hall and his appearance on the Heaven and Earth show. He is a powerful, articulate and empassioned speaker who is an undoubted asset to the campaign (obviously IMO). I would trust that before the opinions of some hostile, ill-informed journalist.

That said let me just to repeat myself, that this does not mean David speaks for this campaign. We all speak our own truth in support of the campaign. Subtle but very important distincttion, we all speak "in support of" not "on behalf of" the campaign or otherwise how can we be true to our "no endorsement policy"

IronSnot · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject:

Look, I have no brief for Hitchens. I hate his brother with a passion and Peter if anything sounds even more right wing. If he writes for the Daily Mail and has stood as a conservative this would seem indeed to be the case.

But I thought, from an impartial point of view, that he, even if he didn't know the subject that well, did get the better of Shayler, mainly because of the question on his christianity, which I didn't think was relevant to this discussion, and probably put off more than a few viewers.

Ian re the 7/7 thread, the initial post seemed to get up some posters noses, but I have no idea why. And I don't generally have a problem with moderation but if I see something that needs moderation, I won't hold back.

Maybe you could set up a no-planers forum for the nuts?

kbo234 · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject:

Dr Hemp · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject:

ian neal · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject:

Dr Hemp · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject:

Maybe, but I doubt he reads this forum, in fact, I'm 100% sure of this, as he clearly had not heard much about 9/11 truth from his appearance on Heaven & Earth.

I think you've got more chance of the moon being made of cheese than PH coming on board, but you never know - if he does I'll even review my personal opinion of him and unreservedly withdraw the "loathsome right-wing little sh*t" comment.

ian neal · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject:

Bicnarok · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject:

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