fatal flaw of the 'no planer's'

[scar]

[Ally]

[chek]

[Ally]

yet another misinformed fool, I'm not replying anymore.

I don't suppose you post on illusionsforum?

seen this? - http://911tvfakery.blogspot.com/2006/09/brandnew-amateur-tape-no-plane -in-it.html

[scar]

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Scar said

The government knew many people would INVESTIGATE 9/11 so they tweaked/downgraded the images to divert people away

So Scar this is your explanation for all the visual evidence regarding the planes being of poor quality - I would be interested to know how they did this particulary for the amateur footage.

If anybody can show me just one reliable image from the large amounts of material available I will drop no planes.

Of course if you think this is an unreasonable question then do not bother to answer

[Ally]

[scar]

[Ally]

it's clear your in tow with some from illusionsforum to attack me, notice you all jumped on the bandwagon about 6 months ago and think you're all experts. I'll continue this over on your forum rather than pollute this one with more krap.

[scar]

[blackcat]

[John White]

[scar]

[LBC]

[Dr Hemp]

The anomalies on the video footage that have fuelled the NPT I reckon can be simply explained by the fact it is video footage, and not film which takes an image frame by frame, whereas video does not.

Personally I don't think the technology exists to produce holographic missiles, and even if it did, why would they use such an untried technology, when they could simply remote control fly a plane made to look like a passenger jet plane? We do know for sure this technology exists.

Even though I think it highly unlikely that holographic missiles were used, it cannot be totally ruled out until there's a proper enquiry; just because I don't believe they have holographic missile technology, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm sure most of the things in my front room would have seemed too far fetched 25 years ago - I probably wouldn't have believed you could pause and record live television 5 years ago and the speed of modern computers would have been the most fantastic science fiction only a couple of decades ago.

Having said that, the NPT will sound absurd to anyone who reads it and will distract from the other issues, which is no doubt why journalists have already picked up on it. I hope everyone shuts up about NPT, as it really is handing on a golden plate an opportunity to our opponents to discredit us and make us look ridiculous. Even if you really do believe the NPT (which I don't) I should hope you would realise this, and keep yer trap shut for the greater good of the campaign.

Regards,

Chris.

[graphicequaliser]

I still fail to see how, on a rational scientific planet called Earth, a thin, aluminium chassis can go clean through a strong steel mesh (diagonally) and come out the other side with delicate nose intact . Someone is lying and we have video evidence to prove it (more than one independent source). Can someone from the plane huggers group please explain this? Your silence is making your theory look as shaky as the no-planers'.

[andyb]

[Ally]

hey nero, you openly admitted you've never looked into the subject at all yet feel qualified to talk down to people who have and find it rather crazy, especially if true, I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, rather to share what other's may not have picked up or angles I find interesting especially after seeing noobs posting the same thing every single day about controlled demolition of wtc7.

It's a total insult your claim I don't want 911 to reach critical mass, I just hope you bandwagon jumpers are up for putting as much effort into exposing 7/7 now that 911 has gone mainstream.

i'm more than comfortable spreading the word in my own area on a daily basis without having to be the local king of the crowd as people down London have pointed out about you.

[graphicequaliser]

[andyb]

Ally, yes I have admitted to not looking at too much of the information. I have looked at a numebr of your links but they explain nothing to me. Perhaps I've missed an important one but there seem to be quite a few who still question this and have looked at all your posts.

I don't see how now 9/11 isd mainstream we need to walk away and look at 7/7 or no planes. Once we fully crack 9/11 the rest will unfold. No planes, imo, even if true, will be used tro discredit us. You are struggling to convert people who beliueve it was an inside job, how are you going to convince the man on the street?

'bandwagon jumpers', this does inded sound like thew words of a bitter man that the movement is going mainstream. You say that you simply post links, this is a lie, you insult people regularly, jsut because they don't see your poitn of view.

I am hardly King of the Crowd, I merely helped organise events this weekend. It seems from the posts I've read that a lot of people got a lot of things out of this weekend. I was hardly dominant as I didn't get a chance to meet anyone as I was busy trying to make things run as smoothly as possible.

Re your quote, I have not seen that before and it is not in context. I received many many ideas from people and had to make a decision as to what I thought would fit in best and I consulted others about this. Let me know what thread that is on and I will answer it openly. I hardly sat down all weekend and it was stressful, perhaps something else was on muy mind at the time?

[chek]

GraphicEQ,
Lets assume the plane was a Boeing 757 as advertised
Empty weight 128,730 lb
Max take off weight 255,000 lb according to Wiki.

However it was lightly loaded with a less than capacity passenger complement, so lets say for the sake of argument 200,000lbs at the time of the crash.
That is just short of 90 tons travelling at approx 500mph.
That would generate a colossal 2.4 Giga Joules of kinetic energy.
(all figures rounded down)

Something does emerge from the opposite side of the building, but seeing it as 'with delicate nose intact' is your interpretation only.
I would suggest a heavily engineered dense metal engine assembly is much more likely, but I can't tell what it is.

Don't forget the plan of a floor is a central internal core composed of 47 36"x12"x4" steel box columns, with slightly slimmer outer columns. Once it had passed through the outer columns, apart from possibly clipping the core structure on the way past, the second strike would have encountered little internal resistance given the angle it hit at. It's entirely possible th estructure was travelling faster than the flame from the exploding fuel, before the fireball engulfed it.

I've mentioned before in another thread that what we 'think' should happen to these types of structures at those speeds, and generating that much energy is well out of our everyday laymans territory.

And guessing what we 'think' should happen only opens up holes in that kind of faulty reasoning for sceptics who may have better information.

I spent the past few months looking for answers on the science board discussions before coming here, (collapse dynamics / kinetic energy involved in powderising the concrete/ causing the molten steel etc.) and those guys - especially the shills - are logically ruthless.

I would strongly urge you to investigate your theory much more thoroughly if you hope to make it convincing to anybody except the poorly informed.

[Jane]

Ally:

[marky 54]

[marky 54]

if you think something dodgy happened on 9/11 then i apologize it must of been the way i read the post, are you a npt disbeliever or a disbeliever of the whole thing having been a conspiracy?

[James C]

[chek]

Hi James,
Thanks for posting those photos and graphics, they were new to me.

[Andrew Johnson]

James C

Are those photos from NIST documents?

Your suggestions may well be correct, but this doesn't answer the other questions - such as the inflated tyre under the scaffolding.

And "no planes" is a for 10^26th time, a misnomer, please refer to it as "no 7x7's", which is closer to being correct.

[chek]

[Andrew Johnson]