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Jay Ref
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 Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: Do CTers agree that no B757 hit the Penatgon? |
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...or has the CT been modified yet again?
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DeFecToR
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...'the'.
Because there is only one right?
You dullard... 
Good question though, Billy-no-mates.
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Jay Ref
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Okay I'm completely confused at what it is you folks believe re; The Pentagon.
Please tell me what you believe happened there. Be as specific as possible.
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| Jay Ref wrote: | Okay I'm completely confused at what it is you folks believe re; The Pentagon.
Please tell me what you believe happened there. Be as specific as possible.
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Personally, I believe that on September 11th 2001, a flying object struck The Pentagon with some considerable force. This resulted in an explosion and damage to both an outer wall and some of the inner rings.
I cannot say with any certainty that I know what that object was. |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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JR, the people you so zealously defend ,for reasons better known to themselves,continue to refuse the release of Pentagon , private business and state freeway CCTV footage of whatever hit the Pentagon 9/11 and caused that 16 foot appx' diameter hole through three rings of the military facility, you must be pretty p!ssed off with them!
I witnessed Bushbrains on TV yesterday promising a selected audience of 9/11 victim's relatives to shortly charge and try several Al quaeda commanders responsible for planning and ordering 9/11, could this be yet another excuse NOT to release what would be conclusive evidence of whatever hit the Pentagon September 11 2001? |
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| SHERITON HOTEL wrote: | JR, the people you so zealously defend ,for reasons better known to themselves,continue to refuse the release of Pentagon , private business and state freeway CCTV footage of whatever hit the Pentagon 9/11 and caused that 16 foot appx' diameter hole through three rings of the military facility, you must be pretty p!ssed off with them!
I witnessed Bushbrains on TV yesterday promising a selected audience of 9/11 victim's relatives to shortly charge and try several Al quaeda commanders responsible for planning and ordering 9/11, could this be yet another excuse NOT to release what would be conclusive evidence of whatever hit the Pentagon September 11 2001? |
My personal view of the unreleased camera footage, is that if released and it showed a 757, it would be subjected to such ridicule 'They've had five years to manufacture fake footage - it is not genuine!' - that no Truther would believe it. So nothing would be conclusive.
They don't need any excuses to keep hold of the footage, if it hasn't been destroyed, they just keep hold of it - why should they worry? If the footage shows anything other than a 757, why ever would they release it or admit it exists?
This is a point I have not seen broached - so we find out The Truth - there is anarchy, civil war, the end of government, countless more deaths. |
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Woodee
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| I believe "something" hit the pentagon... but I won't believe anything else... till I see it on the CCTV footage. |
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DeFecToR
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| Jay Ref wrote: | Okay I'm completely confused at what it is you folks believe re; The Pentagon.
Please tell me what you believe happened there. Be as specific as possible.
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For god sake. You are trying to say that we all have exactly the same opinion on all the elements of 911. We dont.
And why on earth should any of us bother explaining our position on any subject to you. All you ever do is talk down to people.
Seriously. Go OUT tonight. Look at some women or something.
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IronSnot
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Only one thing I know with an almost certain 100% certainty - Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.
It seems likely that a 737 did, but I'm not wedded to this yet. |
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chipmunk stew
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| IronSnot wrote: | Only one thing I know with an almost certain 100% certainty - Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.
It seems likely that a 737 did, but I'm not wedded to this yet. |
Uh-oh, here come the inevitable questions...
What happened to flight 77? How were they able to identify the DNA of all flight 77's passengers from tissue recovered at the Pentagon? |
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IronSnot
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| I havn't got that far yet. Without evidence of it being fact (yet), I think it's rather pointless to speculate on what may have happenned. And once the evidence is in, it may in fact point us in the right directions for further investigation. |
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marky 54
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | IronSnot wrote: | Only one thing I know with an almost certain 100% certainty - Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.
It seems likely that a 737 did, but I'm not wedded to this yet. |
Uh-oh, here come the inevitable questions...
What happened to flight 77? How were they able to identify the DNA of all flight 77's passengers from tissue recovered at the Pentagon? |
that isnt the question we should be asking by any means, the question should be, how did they identify all the passengers on flight 77, when the luggage,seats,and plane was supposed to of vapourised due to jet fuel, also why was the hole so small for a airliner, but most of all why wont they show the footage of the airliner hitting the pentagon? they show the tower impacts all the time, why would showing the pentagon crash be any differant? and even though the plane was suppose to of vapourised there are little shreds of werckage on the lawn that dont even seem to have any kind of scorch marks made from the heat that vapourised the rest of the plane. and why o why o why did they hide some of the wrekage under a box with a sheet over it? why hide stuff? it was a terrorists attack wasnt it? nothing to hide? you tell me. |
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marky 54
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | IronSnot wrote: | Only one thing I know with an almost certain 100% certainty - Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon.
It seems likely that a 737 did, but I'm not wedded to this yet. |
Uh-oh, here come the inevitable questions...
What happened to flight 77? How were they able to identify the DNA of all flight 77's passengers from tissue recovered at the Pentagon? |
also how did the tissue for dna survive the crash but the seats,luggage and almost all the plane including engines didnt? |
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| Quote: | | Uh-oh, here come the inevitable questions... |
It is like asking a witness to a bank robbery for the names and addresses of the robbers.
The evidence at the Pentagon screams "No Plane wreckage". Most videos have mysteriously been withheld. The one that was released was a joke. I do not know what happened to the flight 77. I do not know if it existed. I do not know if it took off. I do know that it did not hit the Pentago. Hey!! Why don't we have a PROPER enquiry!!!! Why don't we see the videos!!! That would show us. What a brilliant idea!! Why didn't someone think of that before??
Uh - oh, here comes the inevitable bs..... |
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| blackcat wrote: |
The evidence at the Pentagon screams "No Plane wreckage". Most videos have mysteriously been withheld. The one that was released was a joke. I do not know what happened to the flight 77. I do not know if it existed. I do not know if it took off. I do know that it did not hit the Pentago. Hey!! Why don't we have a PROPER enquiry!!!! Why don't we see the videos!!! That would show us. What a brilliant idea!! Why didn't someone think of that before??
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This is the USA we're talking about. A place where legal technicalities rule. Release the videos in advance of a trial (and, no, I'm not holding my breath there) and the defence will claim all sorts of foul play.
Regrettably they seem to have good reasons to withhold the videos.
Of course, what they don't have is good reason to avoid putting the perpetrators on trial.
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I'm open to the idea that a B757 hit the pentagon
I'm just waiting for some credible evidance. I certainly didnt get it from the popular mechanics vs loose change debate the other day
All Ive seen so far to support the notion is firmly in the region of "believe it becuase your government tells you to":
That stopped working on me 20 years ago, and thats just how it is
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| Quote: | | Regrettably they seem to have good reasons to withhold the videos. |
What are these reasons? |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Regrettably they seem to have good reasons to withhold the videos. |
What are these reasons? |
I gave them in my original reply. Releasing them could damage a prosecution case by prejudicing the jury. |
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| Quote: | | Releasing them could damage a prosecution case by prejudicing the jury. |
And the videos of the twin towers and wtc7 and shanksville?? How come they are not confiscated? Your argument holds no water. They will not release them because it shows the truth!! |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Releasing them could damage a prosecution case by prejudicing the jury. |
And the videos of the twin towers and wtc7 and shanksville?? How come they are not confiscated? Your argument holds no water. They will not release them because it shows the truth!! |
The other videos you mention are on public record and 'released' as they happened and therefore uncontrollable, not private property confiscated by law-enforcement or security agencies. |
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| John White wrote: | I'm open to the idea that a B757 hit the pentagon
I'm just waiting for some credible evidance. I certainly didnt get it from the popular mechanics vs loose change debate the other day
All Ive seen so far to support the notion is firmly in the region of "believe it becuase your government tells you to":
That stopped working on me 20 years ago, and thats just how it is |
i totally agree with you. and you summed up how most of us feel i reckon. |
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SHERITON HOTEL
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Why didn't the legal team of that "20th hijacker"(always forget his name Moussauri?) just demand acquital as their client could never had gotten a fair trial with all that 911 video evidence in the public domain? 
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| The transcripts of the Zacarias Moussaoui trial are quite illuminating. He knew what was going on and is FIRMLY in our camp. |
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| Quote: | | Instead of spending your time ranting on an internet forum, maybe you should have filed a FOIA request: |
I will rant if I choose to, not that I do. I am not a US citizen (this is after all the BRITISH 9/11 truth movement) so it is ridiculous to suggest I apply for a FOIA. But then again, you doubtless knew that!! |
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Jay Ref
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What you numbskulls thought a cheap gas-station security video would show outside of the cash registers and gas pumps completely escapes me.
Well there's your trooth dark-pussy...happy now?
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Edited to add: What we can't say pussy??? How about kitty-cat??
I wonder if punany works? Ok then... shadowy-punany...enough trooth for ya??
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Jay Ref
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Instead of spending your time ranting on an internet forum, maybe you should have filed a FOIA request: |
I will rant if I choose to, not that I do. I am not a US citizen (this is after all the BRITISH 9/11 truth movement) so it is ridiculous to suggest I apply for a FOIA. But then again, you doubtless knew that!! |
Wow that's right...the BRITISH 9/11Trooth movement....
So gee I didn't know!! How many buildings did you guys lose to the NWO Lizard-agents that day???
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | Instead of spending your time ranting on an internet forum, maybe you should have filed a FOIA request: |
I will rant if I choose to, not that I do. I am not a US citizen (this is after all the BRITISH 9/11 truth movement) so it is ridiculous to suggest I apply for a FOIA. But then again, you doubtless knew that!! |
One of your UK mates (Snowygrouch) filed a FOIA request and got a whole crapload of stuff from the NTSB. It formed the centerpiece of the evidence scrutinized by the "FDR Research Team" at the Loose Change forums. But then again, you doubtless knew that!! |
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