It was holograms after all.

[Justin]

Thanks Mate!

[lostpomme]

Good on ya Truth!

To be continued...

[Bushwacker]

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Can't talk about it bush - it's damaging the movement

[graphicequaliser]

Oo, you're a crafty one, Truth!

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Is that a coded message graphic?

Seems I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't

[Wokeman]

I have no wish to put the cat among the pidgeons, but at www.911tvfakery.net Judy Cunningham (911Scholars for Truth) says:
"...I believe Nico's theory of no planes. There was obviously no plane that hit the Pentagon. I believe that the videos of the plane hitting the WTC were digitally mastered cartoons.

[John White]

Repeating the offer I made to Ally yesterday, Illusions is quite happy to host "No Planes" discussion

To me the issue is defined as illustrating the difference between "possibly true" and "demonstrably true"

The question is to what degree "No Planes" represents the balance of probability, offset against quite understandable concerns by members about Intelligence agency Disinfo/Misinfo

With regard to this Q:

[graphicequaliser]

So, John, we're agreed that WTC1 and 2 were definitely controlled demolitions. Whether planes flew into the towers or not, is irrelevant, since such massive structures could not be brought down by a couple of light aluminium aircraft. If the planes were "disguised missiles", that would not make any difference to the fact that the towers crumbled, when they were designed to handle 13,000,000 tons of wind shear force, and should not have crumbled at all. If there were nuclear devices detonated in the towers, that would explain the phenomenal temperatures achieved therein.

So, it seems we have to convince a massive amount of people that the towers were demolished by pre-planted explosives. That seems as difficult a task as convincing people that what they see on TV is not always fact - the majority of human beings on this planet are illiterate, innumerate slobs with no regard for "truth" at all. They expect society to give them a life, and expect their "truth" to be delivered through the mass media. This species is doomed ...

[John White]

You make some very good points graphicequaliser

I believe Jeff King's presentation provides all that the majority of people need to know regarding controlled demolition:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Son0BWduQx4&mode=related&search=

The real stumbling block is gaining the nessacary psychological pressure for people to permit themselves to ask the questions. I consider that the 911 movement, coupled with the fear of conflict escalating into Iran, is currently doing just that

My own efforts are informed and defined by the community in which I live: mostly middleclass/affluent/traditional conservative voters...with a whole bunch of hippies too

Funnily enough, I find its the Hippies who are more reluctant to question the official story! perhaps something to do with not wanting to ruin the vibe on the cloud

Bearing this in mind, my current main line of "attack" is the credibility of the 911 Commision itself, showing that 911 has NOT been properly investigated, but whitewashed (see www.911pressfortruth.com )

couple "Lied about specific foreknowledge of plot to fly planes into buildings whilst covering own butts with anti-aircraft batteries" with "No Iraqi WMD's" and "No link between Saddam and al-Qaeda" and I feel thats more than enough to turn the average Daily Mail reader into a rebel

History shows us time and time again:

When the middle class turns, governments fall

[chek]

[lostpomme]

[quote="When the middle class turns, governments fall[/quote]

Which would explain the motive for the current eradication of the middle class:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3171333253967404913&q=freed om+to+facism

I dont think the NPT should be left undiscussed, i just think it would be safer to have a specific thread for subjects likely to scare people away.
We've got our work cut out just trying to convince people that they can't trust the press. How many of us would have been put off in the early stages by ideas like the NPT? I admit the theory deserves attention and may well prove to be fact. However, and maybe i'm a minority here, but when i found 911 truth and was forced to stretch my comprehension to new possibilities, if i'd been faced with arguments for holographic planes i believe i would have skipped straight over. I would have been wrong, i know but people can only handle small bites at first.

Dan

[John White]