Sleepers

[prole art threat]

There are people who are woken up when they do the research but what about those who refuse to look at the evidence or look at it and cant see what we see? Do they see it? Are they lying to themselves? Are these people mentally ill? Do they have a deep psychological need to cling on to these blatant lies? If so, why?

This is the thought blockade we are facing. The evidence in the towers' collapse is there, it is the minds of these fearful beings we must win.

I am actually starting to despise these people. These are the very same people who will be the reason we are stripped of ALL of our civil liberties and led to an early open grave and shot.

What is the difference between them and us, apart from UTTER F***ING GORMLESS SHEEPLE STUPIDITY.

Discuss.

[graphicequaliser]

As I posted in another thread :-

'We have to convince a massive amount of people that the towers were demolished by pre-planted explosives. That seems as difficult a task as convincing people that what they see on TV is not always fact - the majority of human beings on this planet are illiterate, innumerate slobs with no regard for "truth" at all. They expect society to give them a life, and expect their "truth" to be delivered through the mass media.'

They entertain such a mentaility because they feel they cannot change the status quo. From another of my posts on this forum :-

"Bush, Cheney, Blair and their ilk" are puppets to those who control the money. That's why political perspective has never, and will never, change anything in human society. This would have happened had Clinton been in power - you cannot stop those financial cogs turning. If you had enough money to pay off muscle, judges, politicians and other "business" people, would the power go to your head?!? Getting rid of the puppets is probably exactly what these corporates like Carlyle would want us to do. It leaves them off the hook yet again: note how society is currently structured in such a manner, that to incriminate those who profit by war, who have this much money and power, is nigh on impossible.

So, an inert, stupified electorate will choose our next leaders - great!

[optimus79]

Carefull, theres still very few out there who do believe in the movement so that leaves an awful lot of people to despise.

From my experience debating in person is actually a lot easier than debating on a forum. I have successfully managed to get 4 or 5 people to look in to this and they have each come back with the same conclusion.

Whereas I had a big debate on another forum i use and it really was hard work. I answered every question put to me, i explained in detail both the official story and what is wrong with it. I put forward strong evidence including Steven E Jones' report. I wrote in detail about how the U.S econmy needed 9/11 on many levels. I essentially gave numerous motives, explained sensibly how they could have carried it out. No "no planes" BS either.

They wouldnt buy it at all. It was almost as if they were more interested in trying to prove me wrong than discussing the matter. Which really is hilarious considering the movement is getting bigger and bigger as the months pass.

[xmasdale]

[Annie]

Well said, Noel.

I've also found it useful to remember how I felt when I first started looking at the evidence. And this was despite my background in intelligence and whistleblowing! What seems obvious to us can be frightening to those who are told by their politicians and the MSM that they are only interested in health, transport and education.

So rather than bludgeoning people over the head with facts and figures from the start, it's good to build up a rapport and ask questions before going into the detail. After all, most people are to some extent aware that governments lie and twist "intelligence" information to suit their political agenda. We only have to look at the WMD dossier, the lies which took us into the war in Iraq, and the death of David Kelly. Why should 911 be the exception?

The other point to remember is that people can think the whole 911 issue will just lead to depression, disempowerment and hopelessness. That is absolutely not the case. By acquiring a better understanding of what is going on in the world, we claw back an element of control over our own lives. Everyone is now so used to thinking that they have no real power over their governments. But we can and we shall hold them to account for their crimes.

Regards

Annie

[Skeptic]

Sometimes there is such a gulf between someone's present worldview and the one in which they can accept 9/11 as being an inside job that it is important to build a bridge slowly between the two.

Often the best place to start is with the media. If you can help someone to understand the way in which the media is run and the distorted information we receive because of it then you have laid solid foundations.

I find the two films Orwell Rolls in His Grave and Outfoxed helpful for this.

Perhaps the next step is to look at everything after 9/11 - Unconstitutional is an excellent film which explores the changes to laws that have been made since 9/11 and the injustice the follows thereafter (Guantanamo Bay etc).

and then a next step could be a look at the cover-up which surrounds 9/11 - the latest film 9/11 Press for Truth is an excellent DVD to help someone understand the Bush administrations attempts to rpevent and thwart an investigation.

after that it will be time for September 11 Revisited or 9/11 Guilt which explore the possibility of explosives being used in WTC



of course, this is a long process and often you don't have enough time or attention to carry this out - normally I just give people a copy of September 11 Revisited because it starts with half an hour of news clips from 9/11 and enables people to see it for themselves