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xmasdale
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 Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: Succinct quotation |
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I thought this quotation from David Icke was useful in summing up succinctly the situation we face:
'The fascist agenda depends for its very survival on the continued credibility of September 11th. Without it there was no excuse to invade Afghanistan; no excuse to take our freedoms away; no excuse for all that goes with the "war on terror". And if the official story isn't true, why did Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Blair and the rest of them tell us such lies and do such deadly deeds in its name?
'If 9/11 goes, it all goes, no shaped charges necessary, no dynamite required. And it is going.'
Never mind if you think David says crazy things on other issues, put that argument to the folk who say:
'It doesn't matter who was behind the 9/11 attacks. The important thing is to stop the war and bring home the troops'.
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Wokeman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| It could not have been described better than that. |
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Stephen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Noel, I agree with stop the war and bring the troops home, but unless we get to the root cause were always gonna have problems.
EXPOSE THE REAL PUPPET MASTERS! 
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xmasdale
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| stephen wrote: | | Noel, I agree with stop the war and bring the troops home. |
So do I.
The problem is that the Stop the War Coalition leadership do not agree that there should be a proper criminal investigation of 9/11, do not agree that it looks like an inside job and tend to ignore those think it does, or to dismiss them as crazy.
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Leiff
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | EXPOSE THE REAL PUPPET MASTERS! |
Who are the real puppet masters??? |
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Stephen
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The real puppet masters are: THE ILLUMINATI  |
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Leiff
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| Quote: | Q: It has been said that the Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Bavarian Illuminati, was trained by Jesuits. But many point out that Adam Weishaupt defected from the Christianity. If this is so how are the Jesuits connected to the Illuminati?
A: The Jesuits are the masters of conspiratorial history. Their agents are always in place to re-direct those who discover the conspiracy for a world government. One of their greatest deceptions is to divert the seeker into blaming Freemasonry and thus the Jews exclusively. This tenet sits at the heart of one the Order's most effective lies---that Adam Weishaupt was a Jew (contrary to the Order's Constitutions until 1946), that he defected from the Jesuit Order (as he had been an instructor of Canon Law and Jesuit "Moral Theology" at Ingolstat College in Bavaria---Bavaria being the Company's mightiest stronghold north of the Alps) and that his founding of the Illuminati was completely free of Jesuit influence. The historians who espouse this position are Jesuit Abbe Barruel in his History of the French Revolution and Roman Catholic Nesta Webster in her several works, including Secret Societies and Subversive Movements. Both Masonic Hitler and Masonic Stalin---those Jesuit jackhammers who collaborated in the destruction of the Orthodox Russian and German-Prussian people---held to this Jesuit lie. Masonic Winston Churchill, the Fabian Socialist destroyer of the Protestant British Empire and Protestant Dresden (he commanding "Bomber Harris" who created the horrible firestorm and incineration of Protestant Germans) also promoted this Jesuitism, blaming the Bolshevik Revolution on those "godless Bolshevik Jews." Jesuit Coadjutor Father Charles Coughlin did the same as do the new Father Coughlins---Texe Marrs, Michael Collins Piper, Daryl Bradford Smith, Hal Turner, Louis Farrakhan and host of others too numerous to number. F. Tupper Saussy is quite right however when he stated in his Rulers of Evil that Weishaupt was under orders of Jesuit General Lorenzo Ricci. Weishaupt, who as "Spartacus," never left the Order, and openly led the revolt of the Pope's Jesuit "slaves." |
The quote is from Eric Phelps who is accused of bias and racism by some, but have you noticed the way Blair occasionally scurries over to the Vatican to kiss the Pope's ring? |
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Stephen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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The Illuminati go back thousands of years hense the all seeing
eye-pyramid 'They' predate Antcent Egypt, Long before the cathlic church was created, and The Illluminati even go out of our Dimesion. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Succinct quotation |
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| xmasdale wrote: | I thought this quotation from David Icke was useful in summing up succinctly the situation we face:
'The fascist agenda depends for its very survival on the continued credibility of September 11th. Without it there was no excuse to invade Afghanistan; no excuse to take our freedoms away; no excuse for all that goes with the "war on terror". And if the official story isn't true, why did Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Blair and the rest of them tell us such lies and do such deadly deeds in its name?
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Joseph Goebbels said something very similar:
'If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State' |
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Stephen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I take it then that you don't belive in the lizards? |
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Pikey
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | take it then that you don't belive in the lizards? |
It would have been interesting to see the response to that question from the Peoples Princess, Diana Spencer.
Can you recall that live BBC Panorama interview when she called them, refering to the royals, the "lizards" and saying that she would shock the world and reveal all one day. It is fact but could of course be just an amazing coincidence.
Sadly for truth that opportunity never materialised and I think most UK citizens believe that she became an emeny of the state and was assassinated by the state.
I personally have not witnessed any shapeshifting nor seen a UFO but that doesnt mean its not true! An am open minded enough to believe that it could be though!
The first step is to crack 911 and then all the unravelling begins!
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xmasdale
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| stephen wrote: | | I take it then that you don't belive in the lizards? |
I have some lizards in my garden and I've never heard them utter a truthful word. The frogs are more truthful. 
But it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks about lizards. If we want to conduct a credible campaign which will attract the support of the public, we should not confront them with theories which are not supported by many sincere supporters of ours. If we insist on headlining theories about lizards and illuminati we shall split our own movement.
We need to stick to common provable core beliefs such as:
1 The official conspiracy theory does not fit the evidence
2 There are many signs of government cover up which suggests government complicity
3 There is plenty of evidence that the wars predicated by 9/11 were advocated by the neocons before Bush came to power, which gives the government a motive
4 By some extraordinary omission, a criminal investigation into who committed these crimes, the greatest in US history, has never been conducted but is urgently needed.
This is why I do not publicly discuss controversial theories about lizards, no-planes, illuminati, UFOs etc.
I'm campaigning, not having a quiet chat about how credible some of the more way-out theories might be.
There are other places on the web you can go to discuss lizards. I want to attract to this movement people who support the basic core beliefs I've listed above.
Talk about lizards puts many potential supporters off and lays us open to ridicule in the media and elsewhere.
Send me a PM if you want to discuss lizards with me.
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Stephen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Noel, I agree with stop the war and bring the troops home, but unless we get to the root cause were always gonna have problems.
EXPOSE THE REAL PUPPET MASTERS! |
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Stephen
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| Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Eveything is linked everything ells, so to leave out the Illuminati and be sellective in what we say, we might as well go and work for the government, The truth is what's important, can you prove LOVE ! So should I'll go back to the 'MAD' forums then?
I Know this is an 9-11 forum but LOVE is the power that that will awaken the soul and give us The Infinite understanding, power and wisdom that we need to Expose the lies. And So we can change this world from a nightmere prision to Beatiulfull Paradise.  
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xmasdale
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| stephen wrote: | Eveything is linked everything ells, so to leave out the Illuminati and be sellective in what we say, we might as well go and work for the government, The truth is what's important, can you prove LOVE ! So should I'll go back to the 'MAD' forums then?
I Know this is an 9-11 forum but LOVE is the power that that will awaken the soul and give us The Infinite understanding, power and wisdom that we need to Expose the lies. And So we can change this world from a nightmere prision to Beatiulfull Paradise.
Stephen. |
I could never object to anyone emphasising the importance of love.
However, when it comes to 'illuminati' we enter more controversial waters. There are so many conflicting understandings of what 'illuminati' means. To some it is a secret society founded in Bavaria in the 18th century, to others it is a whole global web of secret and semi-secret societies including Bilderberg, the Trilateral Commission, Freemasons, Rosicrutions, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove etc. and to yet others it is defined genetically as those whose 'bloodline' stems from an alien race of extraterrestrial lizard-like beings.
Since the word has no generally recognised meaning and since particularly the bloodline definition is hard to get any verifiable information on, and since the bloodline definition carries strong echoes of the Nazi concept of sub-humans (untermenchen) which led them to justify the death camps, I keep away from using the term 'illuminati'. To do so gets us characterised as tinfoil hat wearers who believe in little green men and are probably crazy neo-Nazis - not a good basis for mounting a serious political campaign, given that the media and the powers that be are out to discredit us.
I think we need to recognise that we are a coalition of researchers and campaigners. The researchers want the freedom to speculate on any theory they like; the campaigners want to present a case to the public which is unassailable. These two objectives do not mix well. The speculations of researchers are not a good shop window for our campaign.
Perhaps therefore we should have two websites or two divisions in this website: one where research and speculation as to what really happened takes place where issues of whether the illuminati and shape-shifting lizards really exist can be discussed; and another where campaign issues are discussed.
That way the reasearchers and the campaigners would not for ever be stepping on each other's toes as at present.
Noel
Take heed, dear Friends, to the promptings of love and truth in your hearts... - Quaker Advices and Queries |
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