Whip round for National poll on views on 911

[Keith Mothersson]

For £540.50p inc VAT it is possible to buy a question on ICM's omnibus poll (weighted telephone canvassing, sophisticated methodology, except relies on BT not mobiles) . I could afford to contribute £100 or so, are there others out there who would like to chip in so we could have this happen on Wednesday, answers by Friday 22 Sept lunchtime in time to (maybe) draft a press release that afternoon?

I have also asked the Indie and the Herald just in case they would be prepared to co-sponsor, but don't imagine they will reply positively. The question would come at a good time before the Manchester rally and for the conference season. I have run the wording past someone at ICM who thought the wording seemed Okay. I will keep everyone posted in case problems arise. We have until 4.30 on Tuesday 19th Sept to decide.

Please ring me if you are interested and in a position to pledge money. (All sums welcome.)

So here is what I reckon the best wording might be:

Different views exist concerning what happened on September 11th 2001. Which of the following views most nearly approximates to your own?:

a) 19 Arabs high-jacked planes and murdered almost 3,000 people in sucide attacks.

b) As above, except elements in the US government let it happen on purpose in order to have an excuse for war.

c) Elements in the US government engineered the events, including controlled demolition of the Twin Towers, which they then blamed on Muslim 'patsies' (fall-guys).

Hope to hear from people on this thread, or by pm or by phone!

We are winning!
Keith
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[Keith Mothersson]

Oops, no sooner had I sent my last post than Neil French at ICM sent me the following e-mail, ducking out:

Keith,

Thanks for asking ICM to run your research.

The ICM omnibus is an excellent tool for measuring objective, public opinion about any particular situation. Due to the nature of this particular question, involving speculation regarding a very serious matter we are not able to proceed with your question on this occasion.


Kind regards
Neil

I will enquire with other polling companies. Or could someone else? (must dash to a gardening client)

[xmasdale]

How about Zogby who have done polls for the Truth movement in the US? I've never heard of them operating here, but they might like to.

Then there's David Ray Griffin's suggestion that we should do a poll throughout Europe in co-operation with our comrades in neighbouring countries. That would take a little longer to organise.

Noel

[ian neal]

I have been in touch with yougov. Prices range from around £500 to a few thousand depending on the sophistication of the poll

Key to this is the questions asked

What I reckon it would be interesting is a few very simple questions like

1) Do you believe that the investigation into the attacks of September 11 should be reopened?

") Do you believe elements of the US government to be complicit in the attacks or coverup?

2) Are you aware of the collapse of a third tower, building 7 of the World Trade Centre complex on the afternoon of September 11?

3) Have you seen the 9/11 truth video, Loose Change II?

and then cross reference them

Yougov provide advice on refining the questions and how to make the best use of your findings

You can also the data disaggregated according to different categories such as age, faith, sex, wealth, geographically

So you get a measure of support for this campaign according to how aware they are of the basic questions surrounding 9/11?

You also get a measure of how widely supported the campaign is amongst different British communities, etc.

Plus before appealing to supporters for money let's issue a brief summary of our income and expenditure from last weekends events so that we can be seen to be transparent.

In conclusion this would get my vote for one of the best ways to spend campaign money.

[ian neal]

[Keith Mothersson]

Many thanks for this info ian,

YouGov have a good reputation by results, albeit the telephone pollsters are snooty about their methodology (internet panel, plus weightings to mirror the general population, including nonBT mobile users).

I agree (and should have mentioned) that a vital reason for getting a poll done would be to get the demographic breakdowns (though the margin of error is smaller with subsamples). I would guess that as in the US the number of BME who question the official story will be more than double the national average.

Another reason is that it could be a benchmark in case the story hasn't broken by next year, when we could repeat the poll to see what progress.

Every question would be charged separately, but the wording I had would count as one question, I understood from ICM at least. Personally I take it for granted that people who think that the govt did it or let it happen support an Inquiry. My other problem with your suggested wording, Ian, is my old and repeated beef, that we must please never use the word 'complicity' in a general sense to cover Lihop and Mihop because it doesn't - it actually excludes Mihop, as per you wouldn't say that Rumsfeld was 'complicit' in forging the Iraq WMD info - he wasn't he commissioned and instigated it. Your suggested complicity question is fine to cover Lihop, but it needs a separate question (or subquestion) about directly engineering 9/11 to balance it.

I will contact YouGov and get further info/advice. I agree we should first get a picture of how well or otherwise we did financially last weekend.

[ian neal]

I have an email contact Keith. Will send when I get a chance.

The main purpose I would see for a poll, it assuming a significant percentage back our call for a further investigation, we use this information to go straight to the media and challenge them on their 'neglect' of this important section of opinion and so neglect of their responsibilities and charters

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http://www.ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/315