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ishaar
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 Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:12 am Post subject: a real pro |
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Jref, I see you are well experienced at convincing people they are talking nonesense, looks like you made a career of it, do you think it may have become habitual...regardless?
http://www.randi.org/
Tell me, when you see news items like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3mhjt7TrY
(It’s about how a US drug company, Bayer, after being banned from selling it’s product, used by hemophiliac children, in the US as it was infected with the aids virus. The US government, unknown to congress, then gave the go ahead to sell it in Europe and Japan and Asia, resulting in the deaths of a few thousand hemophiliac children.)
Do you think they are lying? Is this another conspiracy involving MSNBC?Or is there just a little government / corporate naughtiness going on, you know, just the murder of a few thousand children. Are you making the mistake of thinking the power elite values you / us as humans in the same way most of us value and respect each other? If so your many years have taught you little, to them humanity is something you farm, or cull depending on current agenda and if you dont believe that I can see why you find it so difficult to accept government complicity in 9 11. |
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blackcat
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| Don't you get it Ishar? He is one of their lickspittles. |
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: Re: a real pro |
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| ishaar wrote: | | The US government, unknown to congress, ... |
Would you mind explaining how this works? |
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:38 am Post subject: Re: a real pro |
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| ishaar wrote: | | a US drug company, Bayer |
It's German. The company is Bayer AG, not Bayer Inc. |
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aggle-rithm
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: a real pro |
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| chipmunk stew wrote: | | ishaar wrote: | | a US drug company, Bayer |
It's German. The company is Bayer AG, not Bayer Inc. |
Of course, he already knows this, as I pointed it out to him in another thread. |
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DeFecToR
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Christ. You shill apologists really will go to any lengths to defend killers.
Sickening.
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| DeFecToR wrote: | Christ. You shill apologists really will go to any lengths to defend killers.
Sickening. |
The decision by Bayer to continue selling the product is sickening in hindsight. (Although the countries it was sold to were slow to approve the newer product, and if the infected product were simply pulled you'd introduce what seemed at the time the higher risk of hemophiliacs going without any medication whatsoever. It's estimated that about 1% of the un-heat-treated version was infected with HIV.)
The decision by the FDA's then-blood products official Dr. Harry Meyer to keep quiet about Bayer's broken agreement to continue selling the product is sickening.
This was not a fictional monolithic US GOVERNMENT plotting to murder children. It was an irresponsible and ultimately fatal decision by the executive decision-makers of a German corporation, and an irresponsible non-response by the department head of a division of the US Food and Drug Administration.
And there are others to blame, too. Where were the European and Asian drug regulators? Surely they were aware that the US had pulled the product. Did they try to find out why? Did they do anything to stop the sale of the product in their own countries?
Moreover, what in God's name does this have to do with 9/11? Other than the fact that bureaucracies are capable of tragic f*ck-ups? |
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blackcat
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| Quote: | | And there are others to blame, too. Where were the European and Asian drug regulators? Surely they were aware that the US had pulled the product. Did they try to find out why? Did they do anything to stop the sale of the product in their own countries? |
How could so many people not do something. Surely someone would blow the whistle. |
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Jay Ref
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Don't you get it Ishar? He is one of their lickspittles. |
I prefer lackey, sidekick, or shill. Lickspittle is just yucky.
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ishaar
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Don't you get it Ishar? He is one of their lickspittles. |
Yes, looks like his site and career is all about convincing people they are little more than automatons. What a boring world he must live in, void of any wonder or mystery.
| Quote: | The US government, unknown to congress, ...
Would you mind explaining how this works? |
watch the video! Thats what the news presenter said, I suggest you direct the question at MSNBC.
| Quote: | a US drug company, Bayer
It's German. The company is Bayer AG, not Bayer Inc. |
A german company in the US.
http://www.bayerus.com/index_noflash.html.
You really do get bogged down in details too much, preventing you from seeing the overall picture. This is my second and last post in the critics corner, your not here for the sake of getting to the truth, your here to obscure it. If there are any genuine critics here who are looking for the truth apologies to you, to the rest of you poor sad creatures, try and find the courage to question your own motives, re-examine your philosophy and ask yourselves why you are defending mass murderers and corrupt governments. Don't you want things to get better?
| Quote: | | And there are others to blame, too. Where were the European and Asian drug regulators? Surely they were aware that the US had pulled the product. Did they try to find out why? Did they do anything to stop the sale of the product in their own countries? |
The people involved in France have already been imprisoned. |
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chipmunk stew
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| ishaar wrote: | | You really do get bogged down in details too much, preventing you from seeing the overall picture. |
As they say: "The devil is in the details."
The details are what give the big picture clarity. Is this big picture a picture of blood-thirsty murderers? Is it a picture of corrupt bureaucracies? Is it a picture of poorly managed information? The only way to know is to pursue the details. |
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blackcat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I prefer lackey, sidekick, or shill. Lickspittle is just yucky. |
Lickspittle it is then. |
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Jay Ref
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | I prefer lackey, sidekick, or shill. Lickspittle is just yucky. |
Lickspittle it is then. |
Name calling is so childish...yet is exactly as expected. Children playing out their fantasies of being heroes against an evil monolithic government that they know they can attack since it will never fight back.
You are a legend in your own mind.
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Jay Ref
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ishaar wrote: | | Quote: | | Don't you get it Ishar? He is one of their lickspittles. |
Yes, looks like his site and career is all about convincing people they are little more than automatons. What a boring world he must live in, void of any wonder or mystery. |
You know less about me than you do Bayer AG. The world you live in is far more interesting than the world I inhabit...this is true. I live in a real world; whereas you live in a colourful dream world where you are a hero instead of a drab underachieving moron with delusions of grandeur.
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blackcat
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I live in a real world; whereas you live in a colourful dream world where you are a hero instead of a drab underachieving moron with delusions of grandeur. |
Source?? Evidence?? |
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chipmunk stew
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | I live in a real world; whereas you live in a colourful dream world where you are a hero instead of a drab underachieving moron with delusions of grandeur. |
Source?? Evidence?? |
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/index.php |
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Jay Ref
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| blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | I live in a real world; whereas you live in a colourful dream world where you are a hero instead of a drab underachieving moron with delusions of grandeur. |
Source?? Evidence?? |
Sourceed by the person's own dreamy and nonsensical posts. Evidence? See his posts on this board.
See all truther posts on this board for that matter. You guys are dreamers. You do no research unless it's in cool video form complete with porno-quality soundtrack where you can see buildings crumble and people dying.
You are a group of ghouls and liars who have wrapped themselves in a word: TRUTH that they don't even know the meaning of. You demean the dead by standing on their memorials and ridiculing their last words as you sell your t-shirts and dvds.
You are the worst kind of useless incompetent; exploiting disaster and mass-death to make yourself feel heroic. Ridiculing those who died fighting back against armed terrorists while standing up to the "danger"of an "evil government" who poses you no personl danger at all.
I'd be willing to bet that if you ever thought there was real danger that a policeman might be interested in talking to you about this "movement" you'd piss yourself. You're a dreamy loser. It's a good thing too...you're not ready for reality.
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marky 54
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| Jay Ref wrote: | | blackcat wrote: | | Quote: | | I live in a real world; whereas you live in a colourful dream world where you are a hero instead of a drab underachieving moron with delusions of grandeur. |
Source?? Evidence?? |
Sourceed by the person's own dreamy and nonsensical posts. Evidence? See his posts on this board.
See all truther posts on this board for that matter. You guys are dreamers. You do no research unless it's in cool video form complete with porno-quality soundtrack where you can see buildings crumble and people dying.
You are a group of ghouls and liars who have wrapped themselves in a word: TRUTH that they don't even know the meaning of. You demean the dead by standing on their memorials and ridiculing their last words as you sell your t-shirts and dvds.
You are the worst kind of useless incompetent; exploiting disaster and mass-death to make yourself feel heroic. Ridiculing those who died fighting back against armed terrorists while standing up to the "danger"of an "evil government" who poses you no personl danger at all.
I'd be willing to bet that if you ever thought there was real danger that a policeman might be interested in talking to you about this "movement" you'd piss yourself. You're a dreamy loser. It's a good thing too...you're not ready for reality.
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i just hope your right jref, i really do hope we are all wrong. because if it isnt all wrong then the future isnt to pretty even if you live through ww3. 9/11 is the underlining fact of whats to come which is why the truth needs to come out, as thats the only way of having a chance to stop it, and it looks like a slime chance at that. would anything be happening now if it wasnt for 9/11? and theres evidence to suggest they lied about it(regardless of what you think). so if the lies could be exposed it could stop whats to come. however with to many people like you(meaning asleep) it dosnt look likely. but i will repeat again because its comforting to say(although i dont believe it), i hope we are all wrong seriously i do. and if we arnt wrong then you will be eveything you listed. because we tried to prevent it and you hampered it. |
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blackcat
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Sourceed by the person's own dreamy and nonsensical posts. Evidence? See his posts on this board. |
False. Opinion is not evidence.
| Quote: | | See all truther posts on this board for that matter. You guys are dreamers. |
False. Opinion is not evidence.
| Quote: | | You do no research unless it's in cool video form complete with porno-quality soundtrack where you can see buildings crumble and people dying. |
False. Conjecture.
Interesting to note how you spend your spare time. I find the idea of watching porno videos desperately sad - being aware of the "quality" of the soundtrack even more so. I believe it is the images you are meant to be concentrating on.
Seeing images of buildings crumble and people dying is an unavoidable element of investigating the lies of the people you support. It is a far cry from gleefully supporting the mass murderers who caused those events, as you do so routinely. Still, if your intellect is so low that you can believe the official fairy tale and support mass murderers its hardly to be expected that you will spend your spare time listening to Mozart.
| Quote: | | You are a group of ghouls and liars who have wrapped themselves in a word: TRUTH that they don't even know the meaning of. |
As opposed to the word that wraps itself around you : LIAR
(oooh look!! I used a colon!!)
| Quote: | | You demean the dead by standing on their memorials and ridiculing their last words as you sell your t-shirts and dvds. |
We try to get justice for the dead and their bereaved relatives as do many of those relatives themselves. Who but a mass murderer supporting LIAR could make such an accusation? You seek to prevent truth by that insult which is itself a slur on the dead. Filth. Why are you here?
| Quote: | | You are the worst kind of useless incompetent; exploiting disaster and mass-death to make yourself feel heroic. |
False. Conjecture.
I do not feel heroic. Interesting that this idea is in your head however hmmm.. Do I take it that you regard yourself as some sort of hero? Fighting tenaciously to defend the mass murderers from justice? Its an idea that is in your head not mine.
| Quote: | | Ridiculing those who died fighting back against armed terrorists while standing up to the "danger"of an "evil government" who poses you no personl danger at all. |
False. Blatant lie from the ...LIAR!! You persist in making the obnoxious claim that I/we ridicule troops or victims of 9/11. We often ridicule the officials and their/your laughable "explanations" of events but this is not the same as what you propose. But then again you know that. Just wrap yourself in the victims camp and claim any criticism of you is insulting to the dead. Well f*uck you - there is nothing so disgusting as hiding behind the memory of those dead. Dead because of the murderers you support. Christ you are one almight piece of s*hit.
| Quote: | | I'd be willing to bet that if you ever thought there was real danger that a policeman might be interested in talking to you about this "movement" you'd piss yourself. |
False. Childish conjecture.
Now since you have just pointed out that there is nothing to fear from the government "who poses you no personl danger at all" why would I be asked anything by a policeman and why would it make me piss myself? Do I take it yet again that this reveals more about you than anyone else? You think this movement is so successful that you and the mass murderers you support might have to come looking for us to shut us up??
| Quote: | | You're a dreamy loser. It's a good thing too...you're not ready for reality. |
False. We have already established that it is you who listens to the sound track of porno movies not me. I have in fact a very pleasant life and have accomplished many things which give me great contentment. Not for me the need to cling to the powerful. even if they are mass murderers, in order to get some reflected glory. Now put away the videos and the Kleenex and try to get a real life. |
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Have to agree Blackcat:
Jay Ref's posting is becomming more hysterical and imbalanced by the day, Ive notived these sweeping stereotypes he's increasingly resorting too and, by God, the deep Irony that he has no idea how he pawns his own failings constantly and projects them onto others
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