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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 4
When the alleged plane hit WTC2 the fireball was from the exit wound - why was there no fireball at the collision site? |
Momentum. |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Question 7
Why were there conflicting eye witness reports? these included
- nothing just an explosion
- Big grey plane
- Cargo planes
- Military planes
- 7x7s
- A missile
Surely they would all see the same thing? |
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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 5
When the plane that hit WTC in slow motion replays shows no plane wreckage bouncing off the exterior or falling down the side - all you see is smoke and dust - did the entire plane enter the building or are we missing something - can anybody show any visual evidence whatsoever of wreckage on it's way down? |
Not entirely true, but the greater mass of the plane, momentum and the properties of aluminium could cover the eventualities. What size peices are you expecting to see from a 1/4 mile away?
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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 6
Please explain why different footage is showing inconsistencies of the angle of approach for the same plane? |
You'll have to link specific videos to show what you mean about this one. The world being three dimensional may have something to do with it, but I won't comment before you show exactly what you mean. |
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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 7
Why were there conflicting eye witness reports? these included
- nothing just an explosion
- Big grey plane
- Cargo planes
- Military planes
- 7x7s
- A missile
Surely they would all see the same thing? |
Item 1 - the collision alerted the witness. They weren't aware of the approach.
Item 2,3,4,5 aren't contradictory. Most people aren't as knowledgable about aircraft as they are cars for example.
Item 6. Maybe the full quote was 'like a missile'?, and may have been an
allegorical description rather than an empirical one.
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Question 8
In the video "what we saw" there is continous footage for nearly half an hour, covering the time before WTC hit and after - but somehow the footage of the hit was missed. Why was this? |
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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 8
In the video "what we saw" there is continous footage for nearly half an hour, covering the time before WTC hit and after - but somehow the footage of the hit was missed. Why was this? |
Nobody expected a second strike, and that's when coverage restarted perhaps? |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Question 9
If they had used real 7x7s - then apart from the contents of the black box recorders they would have no need to cover anything up regarding the plane - Eg the plane serial numbers of the wreckage would provide a match. However everything was put under wraps - why would they do that unless they had something to hide? |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Question 10
For the plane huggers - other than what you saw and eye witnesses allegedly saw approach and hit the building - what evidence can you provide that the planes were real? |
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chek
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| Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 9
If they had used real 7x7s - then apart from the contents of the black box recorders they would have no need to cover anything up regarding the plane - Eg the plane serial numbers of the wreckage would provide a match. However everything was put under wraps - why would they do that unless they had something to hide? |
They do have something to hide, but it also seems to be a pathological part of their mindset. Vanity and hubris.
Bushco lies even when he/they don't have to.
"I thought what a terrible pilot..." , "the Fire Chief decided to pull it ".
They can't help it. |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Question 11
Do you believe it is possible to use preplanted explosives that would create a plane shaped hole in WTC2? |
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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 10
For the plane huggers - other than what you saw and eye witnesses allegedly saw approach and hit the building - what evidence can you provide that the planes were real? |
I refuse to enter into an existential discussion on this subject, except to say how else do you form an opinion about distant events you haven't experienced directly. |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Question 12
Do you believe that "plants" were used at and around WTC to reinforce the official story that 7x7Ss were used?
If your answer is yes, then why would they need to do that if they really were 7x7s? |
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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 11
Do you believe it is possible to use preplanted explosives that would create a plane shaped hole in WTC2? |
Neither possible nor necessary. |
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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 12
Do you believe that "plants" were used at and around WTC to reinforce the official story that 7x7Ss were used?
If your answer is yes, then why would they need to do that if they really were 7x7s? |
The plants were there mainly to reinforce the idea that the planes brought down the towers at a guess. |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Question 13
Has anybody over the past 4 weeks changed their opinion on no 7x7s
either way?
If so please tell us - even if it is your first posting |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Question 14
If someone put a gun to your head and told you to bet your life on No 7X7s which way would you go? would anybody change their current stance? |
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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 13
Has anybody over the past 4 weeks changed their opinion on no 7x7s
either way?
If so please tell us - even if it is your first posting |
I have to admit when I first heard about NPT, I expected something more substantial. So far I haven't seen what that might be and I doubt now, assuming the big guns have already been fired, anything conclusive does.
It looks increasingly like a disnformation campaign to be used as a tool of ridicule-by-association.
Note: I still maintain the strike planes have not been conclusively identified, and there are miltary versions of the 767 (KC-767) and 757 (C-32)
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chek
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 14
If someone put a gun to your head and told you to bet your life on No 7X7s which way would you go? would anybody change their current stance? |
I would probably say lots of things with a gun to my head.
What value you place on anything obtained in that fashion is your call.
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optimus79
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 14
If someone put a gun to your head and told you to bet your life on No 7X7s which way would you go? would anybody change their current stance? |
I think thats your best argument for "No Planes" so far.  |
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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Question 15
For those of you that repeatedly state "you have no interest in this subject" why do you then contradict yourself by posting your opinion - you only have to tell us once if you are not interested. |
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While I hate to say it, being faithful, a bit, to the cause, this feels a bit, looks a bit, sounds a bit, like spam. Reminds a bit ......of the JREF trollery!
Not that for a moment I'd accuse anyone involved of such misdemeanours -but the last time I looked - an hour or so ago - there were four threads harping on in the same manner, in the top ten threads on the home page
I know what it's like to be an enthusiast for a certain line - done it myself,but I also know how it is to start pissing people off, do that often I'm sure
The offer - of a dedicated forum- still stands
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THETRUTHWILLSETU3
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What is yourproblem dh.
Each thread has a title. If you are not interested don't post -get it? |
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | What is yourproblem dh.
Each thread has a title. If you are not interested don't post -get it? |
My problem, mate, is that I am interested in this issue, and I don't particularly like to see it served up repeatedly as an apparently self-serving cause, through constant repetition,in an aggressive manner
I've been in this train of thought for a long time and I really don't like to see people whom I regard as essentially friendly hammered with it time and again.
It's circular, self-defeating and pointless. It wastes time and energy and there's a lot better things to do
I may just have to create a separate board on this and other similar issues to see if you and your kind are willing to come in and build a separate thesis, or if you've got no better wish than to try to hammer people into submission and conversion
That's my problem
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I'm actually beginning to think it's not such a bad thing, TRUTH, your frantic and agressive defence of NPT on these boards. You have become the most effective debunker of NPT here. I'm serious. Sure, the right-wing media will still use NPT to ridicule the movement, but they would anyway, no matter what. Anyone else, whether newly awake to 911 or conscientiously researching an article or story, can clearly see that there is very little support for NPT and the only reason for it's continued existence is the voluminous posting of it's 2-3 supporters. There is also the impression you, being the champion of NPT, make with your adversial style of debate. So, thank you for this thread. It's, as ever, illuminating.
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| Yorkshire masons at it again?...give it a rest guys |
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| THETRUTHWILLSETU3 wrote: | Question 10
For the plane huggers - other than what you saw and eye witnesses allegedly saw approach and hit the building - what evidence can you provide that the planes were real? |
Here is a key question and I'll have an attempt at responding to it
We all have the same evidance for everything: electrical signals decoded as a sensorary reality by the brain
I've never been to New York, I havnt forensically scoured Ground zero looking for clues, I wasnt privy to conversations in clandestine meetings: so what proof do i have of anything? Pictures, Images, Text, Audio
I dont delude myself about proof.
Critics always go on about proof, and Im happy to let them, becuase it is nothing more than their own desire to need a world where one already knows the answers
At least, that is the case if we are discussing "proof" as some absolute
There is another kind of proof, a many layered proof, which is the balance of the probabilities
That is, synthesising a POV on a collection of information based on intuiting its balance point
Here, I am not concerned with proof absolute: I am concerned with proof likely and stuff getting done becuase of it: on society learning as a result of it: and in challenging the wars of agression
Still, viewing proof as I do I am certainly not fooling myself that anything I have seen from "no planes" theory consitutes much of a proof of anything. Half the stuff looks nothing like what NP theory says its supposed to be, and anything which is left could so easily be a fake pretending to expose a fake. Its not just a question of proving what one image shows according to NP theory, NP is also required to debunk every other image, and every peice of eye witness testimony that there were Planes, and explain visible strucutral damage from impact to collapse, and all crash debris including alleged bodyparts. Without some serious chunks of that theres nothing that can be proved other than that some funny looking pictures exist: and the internet is stuffed full of those
In fact, NP theory has all the Hallmarks of a classic PSY OP, Y'know the kind of thing...:
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Put out a totally absurd theory about a central event on 911 and then discredit 911 truth by pointing it out with the MSM. The theory can reliably be reported as news as long as vested interests have continued discussion of it and guarenteed the theory publicity
This includes stimulating message board members to be annoyed and respond with posts and views on threads becuase their energetic attention ensures the strategies success by using those objections to its manifestations to ensure a high profile on the site: threads being responded to cant be buried |
The dirty tricks that used to go on in the British UFO scene was often beyond belief 
Anyway, that just a perspective, its not proof of anything, but it seems convincing, it has a certain consistancy, and the vast majority of information on the internet is exactly like that. There is a discipline involved in finding the best, most solid evidance, and that includes the discipline not to run away with very hypothetical ideas, and to understand what is needed to communicate them convincingly
Of course from there we get into ethics and qualities
In closing, where is my proof of the version of reality I favour, where physical aircraft flew into the towers?:
In my self qualified assesment of the balance of probability
And I trust myself, after all, I know me
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| mason-free party wrote: | | Yorkshire masons at it again?...give it a rest guys |
what a retard
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[edit] Ally edited his post so this looks a little out of place now!
Semite - a member of any of the peoples supposed to be descended from Shem, son of Noah, including the jews, arabs, assyrians, babylonians and phoenicians.
And not a lot of people know that!
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Hang on a minute! That means that the policy of killing and maiming arabs is anti semetic? This begs a few questions. We better back off, if we're not careful we might actually see through the bs. 
Cheers catfish!
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