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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MM has been here 3 weeks and has done except go out it's way to attack anyone who's looking into the plane issue, for me the demo of the WTC was a fact five years ago but this issue is unresolved because so many half wits try and distract the discussion with pointless comments to derail the investigating. MM demonstrates this sweetly in nearly all its posts.

Gotta ask what it's motivation is?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's generated in response to the aggressive and continual pushing of hologram/CGI theories that have no reasonable plausibility.

I haven't seen any "aggressive and continual pushing" of Hologram theories. A few people have talked about them.

Some people have been saying CGI for a long time - and, due to the available evidence, it seems clear to me that they do have plausability and a kind of historical precedent, as I have said before:

http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/

CGI on 9/11 is exactly the same tactic as used the the Zap. film 42 or 43 years ago. I therefore find your particular focus of critique rather curious and it makes me want to investigate CGI and related issues more.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any relation to the flights reported hijacked that morning and the planes that hit the towers has yet to be conclusively proved.

Certainly similar looking planes hit the towers, but the reported markings -grey with blue disc - and 'windowless' planes that were seen, make the contention that these were regular airliners suspect at the very least.
These to me are legitimate areas for further enquiry.

Planes were reported by eyewitnesses, they are seen on multiple cameras and people in the towers reported the buildings swayed after the impacts.

Holograms and CGI theories to me though are far-fetched and demonstrably damaging (they plonked a NPT mention into an otherwise eminently reasonable DRG article for instance) until such time as that type of technology can be shown to exist.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geez this word shill gets thrown around with abandon by certain posters doesn't it?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Planes were reported by eyewitnesses, they are seen on multiple cameras and people in the towers reported the buildings swayed after the impacts.




please get up to date, the live feeds showed the plane nose exiting the WTC, is this physically possible? Along with other anomolies. Study this so we don't have to keep repeating ourselves like stuck records.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/08/one-of-these-things-is-no t-like-other.html
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, this is a movement, not your movement.

Unfortunately we see too much of the second.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
FYI

http://paulstott.typepad.com/i_intend_to_escape_and_co/2006/09/dangers _behind_.html

As I say on Mark Thomas' Forum, if they put their article into the cyber domain I will comment on it and I would invite others to do so too

Until then further comment is kind of pointless IMO


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ally wrote:
chek wrote:

Planes were reported by eyewitnesses, they are seen on multiple cameras and people in the towers reported the buildings swayed after the impacts.




please get up to date, the live feeds showed the plane nose exiting the WTC, is this physically possible? Along with other anomolies. Study this so we don't have to keep repeating ourselves like stuck records.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/08/one-of-these-things-is-no t-like-other.html


You can identify that???

This was discounted in a previous thread (with GraphicEQ and TTWSU3 if I recall)

I say it's far more likely an engine.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No planers, I'm sorry but you really need to stop it.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GazeboflossUK wrote:
No planers, I'm sorry but you really need to stop it.


I agree with those who don't want to use No 7x7's or NBB (No Big Boeings) as an "opening gambit" to the uninitiated for various practical reasons. However, we should each discuss and talk about what we want to talk about and ask the questions that we want to ask. This is, by definition, freedom of speech.

I think those that are worried need to stop worrying and look at the evidence - just as they 1st did as they became ware of 9/11 truth issues generally. This is just "another level".

The apparent "weirdness" or whatever does not affect the law of gravity, which alone is enough to prove in a court of law the 9/11 was an Inside Job. So what are people so worried about? Media spin and image?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I know...The sheer amount of ammunition we have gained through the controlled demolition findings to use against the perpetrators of this 'inside job' is gigantic..

However, the "no plane" theory really gets my back up, that's all...haha...but that's just me.

I was watching that 9/11 Mysteries Part 1 again today and I found myself incontrollably sniggering to myself. It's not that I was enjoying the event or subject matter to any point to which it gave me "joy" exactly.....however there was a definite elevation in the status of my belief and understanding of why those 3 buildings fell, which triggered my reaction.

I mean, I have known for a long, long time that those towers were a demolition job but I think that the sheer hilarity of the official 'story' and the absolute pathetic assumption by the treasonous cowards that us 'little people' wouldn't be able to get this far prevoked my almost hysterical laughter fit.

You all know, this issue is big. It's so big that once you get past the worry and become free of any sort of doubt surrounding a particular issue then you realise that you've actually achieved something very worthwhile---
I don't know about everyone else (this probably applies to a fair few) but I've spent a very long time cementing in stone the feelings that I had from the start about 9/11. That it wasn't quite right, that there was something fundamentally and drastically amiss.
I did however, during my none stop viewing of the MSM from the day of 9/11, slightly fall into the clutches of the official lie.

Thank god for my intuitive nature, I'll say. I managed to dedicate a section of my life to figuring out what actually did happen and what needs investigating about this catalyzing event.

I've gained so much knowledge that simply watching those towers fall on a really basic level now, just gazing at the exploding dust as they fall, is enough to remind myself how obvious it all was from the very start.

I only can hope that more other highly educated people, who probably already knew the essensial science of the matter from day one will rally to the cause......because you know, we are getting there..

And I'm a believer that they will.



That was a little off topic but....errm....nevermind.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ally wrote:
MM has been here 3 weeks and has done except go out it's way to attack anyone who's looking into the plane issue, for me the demo of the WTC was a fact five years ago but this issue is unresolved because so many half wits try and distract the discussion with pointless comments to derail the investigating. MM demonstrates this sweetly in nearly all its posts.

Gotta ask what it's motivation is?


Other than I care about getting the truth out more than I care about my own pet theories? Btw I do have my own unproven ideas about what happened on 911, just like everyone else. Unlike you I don't run around telling everyone they are THE truth, b/c they are UNPROVEN.

I'm not pushing any unproven straw man theories that will be ripe for debunkers to topple - can you say the same?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew Johnson wrote:
MiniMauve wrote:
It's generated in response to the aggressive and continual pushing of hologram/CGI theories that have no reasonable plausibility.

I haven't seen any "aggressive and continual pushing" of Hologram theories. A few people have talked about them.


If you don't view TRUTH's multiple thread creations on the same subject and TRUTH and Ally's insulting confrontation of anyone who even marginally disagrees with them on NPT as "aggressive", then there is nothing else I can say.

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Some people have been saying CGI for a long time - and, due to the available evidence, it seems clear to me that they do have plausability and a kind of historical precedent, as I have said before:

http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/

CGI on 9/11 is exactly the same tactic as used the the Zap. film 42 or 43 years ago.


The Zapruder film analogous to 911 CGI theories? Er.... ok, I'll take a look but only b/c you're polite. Hope I'm not dissappointed as all my other delves into NPT have been.

Ok, looked at it. My problem with CGI theories isn't that I don't think it's possible to convincingly fake a clip. Obviously, the technology has come along way since even 1963 and they could kinda sorta do it then. My issue with CGI is the logistics that would be involved in ensuring that hundreds of private video tapes would also have to be faked and thousands of eyewitnesses fooled, intimidated or silenced. How could that be done??? That is why I think CGI theories are untenable and I have said it several times that unless someone can give me a convincing explanation for how this logistical problem could be overcome, NPT is a fantasy.

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I therefore find your particular focus of critique rather curious and it makes me want to investigate CGI and related issues more.


Well, have at it. I've never tried to stop anyone from researching it. In fact, I've said several times to TRUTH that he should research it even more so that he has something credible to present! I do have a problem with presenting insufficiently researched, unproven theories as truth, and that I will not back down from nor will I apologize for.

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Ally wrote:
chek wrote:

Planes were reported by eyewitnesses, they are seen on multiple cameras and people in the towers reported the buildings swayed after the impacts.




please get up to date, the live feeds showed the plane nose exiting the WTC, is this physically possible? Along with other anomolies. Study this so we don't have to keep repeating ourselves like stuck records.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/08/one-of-these-things-is-no t-like-other.html


Study this??? Study what?! There is nothing on that link that shows anything but shots of the planes before they hit the towers. What am I supposed to be convinced by here?

But anyway, I think I know which clip(s) you are referring to. It is NOT proven that what exited was the plane nose. I've heard other people say it was an engine, if anything. And if you don't want to continue repeating yourself, remember that it is the QUALITY of evidence that matters, not the QUANTITY of posts about said evidence, in spite of what TRUTH may have taught you. I'll give you an example - I don't know that that object exiting the building is a plane engine, therefore I can't say that it is. I can say I suspect it is, but I don't know. It could be a plane nose, though that seems unlikely and requires even unlikelier explanations. Or it could be an anomoly associated with digital compression and/or resolution of imagery while zooming (sorry I'm no expert). The point is, it's not obvious what it is, therefore, I'm not going to use it as 'evidence' in any theory I may wish to argue for. OTOH towers collapsing uniformly at near freefall speed is classic evidence of controlled demolition. That is quality. Capiche?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Brian

Thanks for that. That's all I'm suggesting. I'm definitely not trying to stop people pursuing their own areas of interest and research, let alone stifle free speech - I know from bitter personal experience in Dave's case quite how frustrating that can be!

But we also have to remember that we are campaigning for the truth, and that we want to reach as many people as possible. A consistent and coherent line will help us to do that most effectively IMO. As you say, we're not there to supply the answers - that's what the PTB should be doing.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:37 am    Post subject: 9/11 TV fakery Reply with quote

Did you look into this already?

Video Overlay proves 9/11 TV Fakery (v.2.917)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4AlmPyQ4IU
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How are you Nico?

Why the hell are you associating yourself with this?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Nico

Thanks for visiting us

As I say in this post

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It should also be acknowledged that there are some very 'senior' / experienced researchers / campaigners backing the need to explore this theory (killtown, Nico Haupt, Jimmy Walter, Veronica, Holmgren, etc) Their opinion should not be dismissed out of hand.


Nico being one them. Whether we agree, disagree or are just plain undecided/confused by the no 7X7s theories, we should respect others right to hold opposing views.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ian neal wrote:
Hi Nico

Thanks for visiting us

As I say in this post

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It should also be acknowledged that there are some very 'senior' / experienced researchers / campaigners backing the need to explore this theory (killtown, Nico Haupt, Jimmy Walter, Veronica, Holmgren, etc) Their opinion should not be dismissed out of hand.


Nico being one them. Whether we agree, disagree or are just plain undecided/confused by the no 7X7s theories, we should respect others right to hold opposing views.


I wouldn't argue with anyones's RIGHT to hold a view, but neither is there some mysterious right for anyone's view to be held as beyond examination, my own included.

I would expect (and frequently experience!) having my reasoning for believing in the need to reopen 911 challenged. Having rational explanations to counter arguments is surely acceptable to most reasonable people, and the approach with most chance of success.

I'd feel a lot happier seeing Bob Bowman carrying a heavily annotated
copy of Jane's Aviation Review into the impeachment proceedings, rather than a copy of Secret Weapons of the Illuminati.
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I'd feel a lot happier seeing Bob Bowman carrying a heavily annotated copy of Jane's Aviation Review into the impeachment proceedings, rather than a copy of Secret Weapons of the Illuminati.


Now that made me laugh. Very funny Chek. Thank you.

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