No one's going to 'Wake Up'

[iro]

something to chew on:

i have a long laboured different opinion to most of 'us' that frequent these places, one that sees the wakening up of the masses as some kind of great moment as totally ficticious.

there is something i always say to people i liase with on the 'left' and the more revolutionary left and those who consider themselves non-aligned but protest and campaign on issues of concern:
'do not demonstrate against the government. It is pointless, they are not your enemy and are definately not the problem. it is a wasted effort. The real enemy is the public, as their consent is the power that enables the government to do this draconian manouvering. Activism against her majesties institutions is wasted energy and a sure route to getting yourself slammed up and penniless...just where they want you. Stop being a sucker...be clever. Civil disobedience and carefully placed sabotage and non compliance will do much more damage. Do not protest and resist - encourage and inspire, that is all that will truly work'

i do admire the elite profoundely, i value their determination and attention to detail and their mindset much more than i do beach bums, hello readers or joe public who only cares about beer and football. that doesn't mean i agree with either side or that i wish to align myself with either. Theres an old news article i read criticising socalists that went something along the lines of ' have you ever been on a factory floor, do you want them running the country...are you actually mad?' You could also say do you want a murderous and criminally selfish hierarchical group running the world? To me the answer to both is a strong NO.

I personally dont see a 'mankind' commonality now or ever. It is possible that it once existed and maybe the elite severed it by tinkering with us...but it is not there now at the conscious level, or it is blocked from the mind through fear and habit so much that its retrieval is just too much of an endeavour for the masses. It's easier to watch tv or go shopping than sit down and meditate and 'feel' your spirit.

this is an evolutionary battle and the truth is i dont want the full extent of mankind going anywhere except into the void of natures 'has beens recycle bin' as thats what they are mentally and spiritually. They only exist because at some level we are dragging their dead weight, if nature was left to its devices (and people are always stomping on about mother nature knows best etc...two faced reasoning) then the large bulk of humanity would be dead end of story. I really dont want to get into a higher spiritual debate here as that is an infinite level of reasoning, i am only talking about this 'consensus reality' at the level we outwardly live on day by day.

Mankind had its chance to act as a unity when the elite first came and started private ownership of common land and taking slaves... its too late to hark back to a romantic uprising. 'We' should have crushed them then and gotten it over with... so if you see it as 'us' then its our fault and its too late now...just do what you can and let those who are dead already die.

of course, if all mankind do take their freedom back then good on them - we or 'they' passed the evolutionary test and thats great...but back to my main point - i dont think most will. they will defend the status quo as it benefits them more in the short term and feeds their ego and wealth and status. If history proves anything about mankind then thats whats logically following...doesnt mean you have to give up - just dont waste important time on those who will oppose you til the bitter end - use your energy more constructively.


'aware' people constantly say if the public on mass were informed they would change or 'wake up' ....well they are informed every day in many overt and covert ways (losing their pensions, savings, house prices, Iraq, removal of civil liberties, on and on forever i could go....) and they ignore all the 'truth' they dont care and dont want things to change - they are comfortable in the matrix ...go with the metaphor as far as you want its a good one to focus on.

'YOU' are a unique individual with your own neck and mind to save - 'THEY' and 'US' don't exist except in the singular mind in this reality. Thats not a selfish reasoning, its a factual one. Every moment you go around thinking of how to save the masses etc... you will get little reward as even now on the cusp of the worst time in known history for the 'majority' they are still going around selfishly pursuing the perks of the system that enslaves them... time to move on. People are fond of seeing conspiritorial angles everywhere, well consider this - what if the elite encouraged this 'oneness' of humanity to make sure that those who truly are 'awake' waste their energy and are continually distracted.. and eventually lose.

Another key point is there is no us and them with humanity - the awake and the asleep. Just imagine if there was a war and 'the awake' triumphed over the elite...what would happen? Look at the fragmentation of those who consider themselves 'awake' they are a vast group and some would be happy to rip the heads off the others systematically...no one agrees on pretty much any fundamentals except there is an agenda by a small covert group. I for one see a much worse and much longer war ensuing straight after any such 'vistory' and it is only a pyrric victory at best.

Tough times call for tough reasoning and hard truths. This is my bluntest opinion formed from pretty much my whole lifes contemplation and observation so far. Take it or leave it, but heed it if you will. Believe it or not to me this is pragmatic and positive reasoning even if it may seem apocalyptic and maybe even elitist to some.

[TimmyG]

interesting thoughts

i do think our governments and shadow governments are the problem though. we should resist. unfortunately any attempts to 'encourage and inspire' the public are largely futile in comparison to the monopoly the ptb have over public perception.(that doesn't mean an inspirational outlook isn't worthwhile)

our governments look at us like rats that need keeping in check. the world shouldn't be like that. big change is needed. unfortunately things will probably get much worse before they get better

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[Me]

[THETRUTHWILLSETU3]

Hi iro

that was quite a thought provoking piece you wrote - when you say

"Civil disobedience and carefully placed sabotage and non compliance will do much more damage"

What do you have in mind?

[TimmyG]

yes the people sitting in parliament are human beings with families they surely care about. many of them are decent people .
however blair and other high ranking politicians do look at members of the public as a lower form of life i believe. they have to to be able to order the killing of innocent children in exchange for a strong alliance with america. blair lies to us everyday.. politics is like a game, anything blair says is part of a protocol which serves to protect the upper echleons of establishment first and appease the public second. this is the problem. and will always be a barrier in preventing a true distribution of wealth and social justice in the world.

[TimmyG]

[iro]

[Andrew Johnson]

I liked your piece iro - for various reasons.

So what should we do with 9/11 truth issues, from your perspective? Should we actively disseminate them, or just let them seep out.

Whilst I agree with you the futility of "fighting" the government - there is another big "adversary" here - the media - who are suppressing, ridiculing and covering up this information (when they are not too busy spinning and mis-representing information, I mean).

What is your view on that sort of area? I'd be interested to hear it.

But I suppose, your piece begs the question "why do we care about 9/11 Truth, and whose benefit are we doing what we do for?" That's a very good question and one's answer to it is perhaps defined by ones own spiritual perspective.

[Wokeman]

Iro,
I am sure that many on the far right would agree with you!

[iro]

[iro]

[chek]

[iro]

you must have misread my post in offering me a 'cheer up'

im not depressed, or annoyed or even miffed about this. I am the happiest person i could ever wish to be, my life is exactly how i want it to be. This is not a depressive outlook, it is a theory of being that supposes that there has to be death to be rebirth. This way of life is destructive by default and the mass of humanity is propelling that walk into its own grave willingly.

evolution only occurs when there is a challenge to a lifeform and it must evolve and improve to survive and adapt. This situation we face is our evolutionary challenge as a lifeform.

all i am doing is detatching myself from that process and getting my own house in order and enjoying what life has to offer.i continue to involve myself in uncovering 9/11 amongst other things - although my personal work is far more expansive than that and it is very interesting. I am involved in political research - and when you get close to politics yu can only laugh at how absurd it is.

You mentioned utilitarianism in your post - again you have misread. Utilitarianism is acting for the good of the majority, making decisions that benefit the most possible people often at the expense of others. This outlook i have mused upon is a reverse of utilitarianism if anything.

[Andrew Johnson]

Thanks Iro - yes - most of my questions were rhetorical and you are right that we only do things for ourselves - even when we say "we are doing it for the greater good". It is that we *think* we are doing it for the greater good - but how are we to know?

[iro]

griffin is a federalist. He wants a federalised earth sytem integrated top to bottom but obviously in a benevolent way.

this is a recipe for disaster as it just increases the control grid for when a sinister element wants to grasp it by stealth again.

[chek]

[Mark Gobell]

Iro

Your post is nothing more that meaningless, narcissistic drivel.

Your detachment is evidence of psychosis.

The contradictions in your rambling illustrate your muddled mind.

If that is the result of a lifetime's contemplation and observation, then I sincerely hope, for your own evolution, that reincarnation exists.

[Andrew Johnson]

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[suspecta]

I think this is a bit defeatest - after all look at Chavez and what's happening in Hungary right now. If we've worked out the truth about 9-11 we have a duty to get it out in any way we can.

I agree that people can be slow to learn - look at the number of old Germans who still think Hitler was right... but if you can get a critical mass to work out what's really going on...

Personally I think the 'Stay Behind Armies' are what's kept European governments from representing the people. Every time the left started looking like it might wield some influence, in steps the Stay Behind Army with its 'terrorist bombs' to undermine them.

The Stay Behind Armies and their close links to nearly all the intelligence services of Europe (and to the CIA and by extension Mossad, ISI etc etc etc) have a heck of a lot to answer for and the more people that know about it the better.

This is interesting reading and research into the Stay Behind network pretty much explains how it's all done.

http://hnn.us/articles/12253.html

This kind of info needs to be got out! (she said naively, hoping against all hope for some kind of massive breakthrough)

Suspecta

[iro]

[iro]

[iro]

by the way before some activist shoots me for heresy this post was nothing more than a reaction to reading this thread a couple of posts down in general chat

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=4160

i had written something similar on another forum a long time ago so i reapproached it out of interest.

[Mark Gobell]

You know what Iro, I considered my response to your garbage. I really did. That was the most polite version I could muster.

To the point:

I think your post is deeply offensive and indicates you are only a short step away from the megalomaniacs you claim to resist.

[iro]

[Mark Gobell]

[iro]

controversial and provocative definately - but thats the point.

offensive - i dont think so.

[iro]

to those who think i may be insulting towards humanity - this perhaps sums up in a more cosy way my viewpoint:

The following is inscribed on the tomb of an Anglican Bishop in Westminster Abbey (1100 A.D.) …

When I was young and free and my imagination had no limits, I dreamed of changing the world. As I grew older and wiser, I discovered the world would not change, so I shortened my sights somewhat and decided to change only my country.

But it, too, seemed immovable.

As I grew into my twilight years, in one last desperate attempt, I settled for changing only my family, those closest to me, but alas, they would have none of it.

And now, as I lie on my deathbed, I suddenly realize: If I had only changed myself first, then by example I would have changed my family.

From their inspiration and encouragement, I would then have been able to better my country, and who knows, I may have even changed the world.