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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Is 9/11 truth snowballing? Reply with quote

Ive managed to wake a large number of people up in the last week, Im hoping they will not slip back into denial mode as I have worked very hard trying to convince them.

Anyone else feel that more and more people are waking up faster in greater numbers than before?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have shipped out more disks and stickers, so I suppose things are happening...!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course it is - it's tipping completely into the mainstream. We had over 200 attendees at our Unspinning the Truth event in Leeds mostly through word of mouth or those who happened to have heard David on Radio Leeds the same morning and are expecting a heavier attendance at the repeat gig
I find there is a superficial awareness at least in most people I talk to,though many cannot set it in place and context as matter of urgency and motivation, which on the rationalist level is our main stumbling block at the present time
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't often meet anyone that has yet to hear about 911 theories.

But there are still a lot of people in denial.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it is, since moving to Spain i've given out upwards of a 1000 Confronting The Evidence dvds, everyone i speak to has one or knows of it. Trouble is i've spoken to quite a few people who have it and haven't watched it! Although i met an ex-forces dude at a bbq the other week, he used to work with the jet engines on the fighter planes. So i picked his brain a bit about the temps of the fuels and whether he believed that the burning fuel would compromise the structure of constructional steel. Initially he was reluctant too say, then when i told him why i was asking he basically flipped out, accused me of being a moon landings denier and then said of course it would burn hot enough to compromise the steel! Rolling Eyes Although, too give him credit he listened to the other bits of info and decided that he wanted too see some of the films for himself, a bit of a result but i haven't heard from him since lol

And dh hits the nail on the head, a lot of people i talk too do just that, talk. It's harder getting people to realise that they HAVE to do something for us to bring an end to this sort of nonsense, before the next event because then we have 'yet another conspiracy theory'.

Onething does have me worried though, and i'm sure other people on here have mentioned it and that is that we know how much the media is controlled and nothing has changed there, so why all of a sudden the interest in 911 Truth?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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>snip<Although i met an ex-forces dude at a bbq the other week, he used to work with the jet engines on the fighter planes. So i picked his brain a bit about the temps of the fuels and whether he believed that the burning fuel would compromise the structure of constructional steel. Initially he was reluctant too say, then when i told him why i was asking he basically flipped out, accused me of being a moon landings denier and then said of course it would burn hot enough to compromise the steel! Rolling Eyes Although, too give him credit he listened to the other bits of info and decided that he wanted too see some of the films for himself, a bit of a result but i haven't heard from him since lol



Your forces friend wasn't lying, as the temperatures INSIDE a jet engine - that is with perfectly metered fuel in an optimum airflow - would without integral cooling, soften the nickel-alloy turbine blades themselves.

However, outside the engine, a burning in atmosphere fuel fire the maximum temperature halves.

So IF the engines had remained operating after the strikes, they could have weakened two localised areas in the path of the jet blast for as long as the unleaked and unburnt fuel lasted.
Maybe that will give you a handle on the situation next time you speak to him.

Regarding the topic itself, I find that maybe half the people I talk to already think there is a governement cover up to one degree or another (they don't believe the official story) and maybe a quarter (especially of older folks over say 35) are shocked at the idea there could be a cover up.
The tide is turning, there's no mistake about that.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The leap in the rate of registration on this website and the increase in the numbers signing the petition on the front page appears to provide an answer to the question title of your thread Prole art threat
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its amazing how many people watch the videos agree but still try and ignore it all, sad.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My instincts are that it's getting easier and easier to talk to people about it but a lot of people are still utterly shocked at the very idea it could have been an inside job. I'm convinced videos/dvd's are the way forward, and even if people appear to fall asleep afterwards they're not going to forget what they've seen.

Also I think most Brits are naturally politically apathetic and have the view that nothing they do or say can make a difference. Continental Europeans tend to be far more politically active and aware. Most of us Brits here probably have some history of activism.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the last month, I've only managed to wake up about 3-4 people. Although there is a lot of apathy in this corner of the country (a village next to Heathrow to be more precise), my personal circumstances have prevented me from focusing on 911 activism.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

should the question be not more like .. 'ok so more people know than ever before thanks to a dedicated truth campaign globally - but has it changed their outlook in terms of doing something about it?'

in my own circles i know scores of very aware people who still work, pay taxes, watch * tv and drink down the pub and act humbly when a copper gets personal with them for something or other - just what they did before they 'knew'

this is a bigger problem to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iro wrote:
should the question be not more like .. 'ok so more people know than ever before thanks to a dedicated truth campaign globally - but has it changed their outlook in terms of doing something about it?


Myself and my other half have always held a general disdain for government and the workings of the country (particularly in the last 3 years), so it wasnt a big leap for either of us to see through the many scams of the corporate elite. Basically, it was worse than we thought..

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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iro wrote:
should the question be not more like .. 'ok so more people know than ever before thanks to a dedicated truth campaign globally - but has it changed their outlook in terms of doing something about it?


Myself and my other half have always held a general disdain for government and the workings of the country (particularly in the last 3 years), so it wasnt a big leap for either of us to see through the many scams of the corporate elite.


same here.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iro wrote:
same here.


I remember doing a school project in 1994 about what the world would be like in 7 years time...in summary, I said that basically nothing would significantly change. How wrong I was...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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iro wrote:
same here.


I remember doing a school project in 1994 about what the world would be like in 7 years time...in summary, I said that basically nothing would significantly change. How wrong I was...


Laughing

well... underneath the surface it is still the same. same rotten * going down just on a bigger scale. hopefully the obviousness of it is waking people up now that the cats out of the bag in many ways.. but i can't see it yet.

where are mass protests and worker walk outs... where are tax protests demanding for rebates because our money was spent on an immoral and illegal war etc... what more will it take?
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iro wrote:
well... underneath the surface it is still the same. same rotten * going down just on a bigger scale. hopefully the obviousness of it is waking people up now that the cats out of the bag in many ways.. but i can't see it yet.

where are mass protests and worker walk outs... where are tax protests demanding for rebates because our money was spent on an immoral and illegal war etc... what more will it take?


The British people need to get a backbone...just look at the Hungarian demonstrations - they even faced off against a battalion of riot police and won, disabling an armoured vehicle in the process. Do a search on google video, theres some live footage around, cant remember the exact name of the guy who filmed it, but there was an indymedia article on the subject.

Edit: I should add that despite the presence of agent provocateurs, the ~10,000 crowd in Budapest's main square, along with 70,000 others in different parts of the city did not cause any serious injuries. Police (and the vehicle crew) were returned to their units relatively unscathed.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your forces friend wasn't lying, as the temperatures INSIDE a jet engine - that is with perfectly metered fuel in an optimum airflow - would without integral cooling, soften the nickel-alloy turbine blades themselves.

However, outside the engine, a burning in atmosphere fuel fire the maximum temperature halves.

So IF the engines had remained operating after the strikes, they could have weakened two localised areas in the path of the jet blast for as long as the unleaked and unburnt fuel lasted.
Maybe that will give you a handle on the situation next time you speak to him.

Regarding the topic itself, I find that maybe half the people I talk to already think there is a governement cover up to one degree or another (they don't believe the official story) and maybe a quarter (especially of older folks over say 35) are shocked at the idea there could be a cover up.
The tide is turning, there's no mistake about that.


Cheers for the heads up Chek, i'll remember that the next time i corner him. Wink

I also think another part of the problem is although most people know that their governments are liars and start wars based on these lies, that their government couldn't possibly have carried out something like 9/11 or 7/7 against their own citizens.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iro wrote:
should the question be not more like .. 'ok so more people know than ever before thanks to a dedicated truth campaign globally - but has it changed their outlook in terms of doing something about it?'

in my own circles i know scores of very aware people who still work, pay taxes, watch * tv and drink down the pub and act humbly when a copper gets personal with them for something or other - just what they did before they 'knew'

this is a bigger problem to me.


Yes, but this is in fact encouraging. The question that runs through peoples minds is "do I want this confrontation", and people also inately sense the extreme limitations of solo action

But what happens when the Copper doesnt believe it either?

Its also human nature to take the path of least resistance, and that aplies to an individual working for the states motivation to apply its rules too

On a more subtle level, there is also the matter of perspectives:

"Truth, Freedom Justice: these are more than just words: they are perspectives"

Your "mentally awakened" friends know that they are being restricted.

Life pushes against restrictions, and this applies to mass conciousness too: for mass conciousness can perhaps be defined as the essence of life manifested

"The slave is freed only to find a stronger set of chains"

Doesnt mean we arnt still working on picking the lock Wink

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