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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:26 am Post subject: Can Critics and Truthseekers Unite? |
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| John White wrote: | | Quote: | So far the Jersey girls information is standing up remarkably well at demonstrating there is a case to answer in writing off the 911Commission as a whitewash: and the case is mounting by the day
Ultimately, if critics canot demonstrate otherwise, good conscience will require them to support the campaigns call for a new commission
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Will Critics support the Campaigns call for a New 9/11 Commission to establish the facts based on the Jersey girls information of how the first commission was whitewashed? |
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Its an interesting question for 911 Truthseekers as well as critics. Can we develop the campaigning disiciple to form alliances on common ground (the totally unsatisfactorary standard of the first commission) to get action and get past the mis-perceptions of "Tin Foil hats" that are effectively gatekeeping real action?
I beleive that if we can filter out the main tennants of alternative 911 theory and focus on the hard concrete facts of whitewash and cover up, we can force consensus for action from a wide variety of vested interests, be they "red", "blue", "stop the war" or whatever, simply on the basis that a new commission must credibly address all the questions and be done conducted ethically and to the highest standards
The PTB must know that the new commission would recieve constant public scrutiny and will be expected to finally "press for the truth": surely the 9/11 truth movement will not accept a commission being kept out of the limelight
Is this an area where can can muster the consensus and impetus to try?
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The vast deluge of incorrect 'facts' and horrendously researched data that continues to be laid out by members of the truth movement are the biggest barrier to a widespread call for a reinvestigation of 911.
Many 'critics' of what we believe are simply unable to see past the rubbish like Loose Change and join us on demanding the answers to the real questions surrounding 911. And who can blame them? I have a vast library of data including maybe 1000+ documentaries and thousands of hours of audio much of which deals with the true nature of illegal government operations and case points that on their own would raise concerns of 911 being MIHOP or LIHOP. Many critics, as the critics corner readily shows, have not the faintest idea about these moments in history and are solely focused on the one-sided disinfo that sites like 911myths propagates. And our most vocal 'leaders' of our movenment are failing us all by refusing to admit their mistakes in certain areas and not clarifying what remaining valid questions we have.
I've been of the opinion now that the 911 truth movement is in a lot of trouble, as its popularity has been growing largely as a result of the worst and most sloppily researched information that has been done on the subject. Most people 'waking up' to 911 are not people who already had the basic understanding that our governments have been the architects of death for centuries and are simply ordinary folks who happened to watch, and be convinced by Loose Change. Therefor, without carrying out further research of their own they then may well be introduced to one of the many LC debunk sites and make the fatal mistake of dismissing everything the movement at large has to say on the issue.
If we wish to find common ground with each other both camps must perform two things;
1 - The critics MUST swallow their pride allow themselves to admit the validity of many of the movements questions whilst not necessarily agreeing the the basic premise of 'inside job'.
2 - The members of our movement, especially its leaders' (and i hold this as far for important than anything the critics must do) ABSOLUTELY MUST publicly and without exception admit to their mistakes and poorly researched arguements. EVERY MEMBER OF THIS FORUM should mark sites like 911myths in their favourites list and refer to it regularly for information so as to truely begin to build a more intelligent arguement for their stance on 911. Their should be no more damn excuses and no more reliance on rubbished and thoroughly debunked arguements, as it is that which is keeping the critics from aggreeing with us.
Just my thoughts i know, but by what i've read here on this forum of late i already know that, like the critics, many people here have some pride issues to deal with first.
We really should just live up to our 'truth' tag and admit that we have made some serious mistakes.
As i say, just my thoughts.
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I've been of the opinion now that the 911 truth movement is in a lot of trouble, as its popularity has been growing largely as a result of the worst and most sloppily researched information that has been done on the subject. Most people 'waking up' to 911 are not people who already had the basic understanding that our governments have been the architects of death for centuries and are simply ordinary folks who happened to watch, and be convinced by Loose Change. Therefor, without carrying out further research of their own they then may well be introduced to one of the many LC debunk sites and make the fatal mistake of dismissing everything the movement at large has to say on the issue.
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Everybody has to start somewhere, and if thats 'waking up to 911' then surely that can only be a positive thing. Maybe it takes something like 911 to really get people looking whats really happening in the world today. Thats how I started, and that led me to believe that everything that is wrong with this world is somehow connected.
I agree that, for example, they might look at LC and be convinced and then go onto a debunk site and return to their original programming. Thats life. Its the people like us that keep pushing and and I really believe that we are on the way. |
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| i seriously doubt it in some cases. some of the critics are on a ego mission to prove everything that comes out our mouths is wrong. no matter how credible the evidence they just dont want to admit they see our point even if they dont think it means a conspiracy. i find it hard to believe no critic can see where we are coming from, it just plain igronace and fear of being wrong with some. if only they put the same effort into the offical version they would soon see where the contridictions are and unanswered questions. some are just firmly in the camp of proving wrong the truthers without even questioning the offical story. they are out to stop justice for the familys and victims(justice being truth). |
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| marky 54 wrote: | | i seriously doubt it in some cases. some of the critics are on a ego mission to prove everything that comes out our mouths is wrong. no matter how credible the evidence they just dont want to admit they see our point even if they dont think it means a conspiracy. i find it hard to believe no critic can see where we are coming from, it just plain igronace and fear of being wrong with some. if only they put the same effort into the offical version they would soon see where the contridictions are and unanswered questions. some are just firmly in the camp of proving wrong the truthers without even questioning the offical story. they are out to stop justice for the familys and victims(justice being truth). |
In terms of critics on internet forums, as opposed to people you meet face to face, don't expect anything. Maybe one in ten or even a hundred are genuine in their intent to put ideas they've heard about to the test.
China has 30,000 internet 'police', and Tel Aviv can mobilise a worldwide army of pro-Israel mainstream media forum posters with software that monitors global media, and then alerts via an instant messenger type system.
There is reputed to be a mysterious section 5 at Langley that does the same on US forums, but the whole thing is global, or English language regions anyway.
The purpose is to spread disinformation - hydrocarbon fire spaghetti steel, planning for airliners with no fuel crashing into skyscrapers, the blast furnace effect of the dust melting steel underground, buildings can only come straight down etc. etc. yada yada yada.
Their weakness is in the end, they can only repeat and repeat as Sean Hannity actually does apparently, Airplanes! Fire! Collapse! over and over again. Repetition doesn't make it true and it never can.
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| DeFecToR wrote: | The vast deluge of incorrect 'facts' and horrendously researched data that continues to be laid out by members of the truth movement are the biggest barrier to a widespread call for a reinvestigation of 911.
Many 'critics' of what we believe are simply unable to see past the rubbish like Loose Change and join us on demanding the answers to the real questions surrounding 911. And who can blame them? I have a vast library of data including maybe 1000+ documentaries and thousands of hours of audio much of which deals with the true nature of illegal government operations and case points that on their own would raise concerns of 911 being MIHOP or LIHOP. Many critics, as the critics corner readily shows, have not the faintest idea about these moments in history and are solely focused on the one-sided disinfo that sites like 911myths propagates. And our most vocal 'leaders' of our movenment are failing us all by refusing to admit their mistakes in certain areas and not clarifying what remaining valid questions we have.
I've been of the opinion now that the 911 truth movement is in a lot of trouble, as its popularity has been growing largely as a result of the worst and most sloppily researched information that has been done on the subject. Most people 'waking up' to 911 are not people who already had the basic understanding that our governments have been the architects of death for centuries and are simply ordinary folks who happened to watch, and be convinced by Loose Change. Therefor, without carrying out further research of their own they then may well be introduced to one of the many LC debunk sites and make the fatal mistake of dismissing everything the movement at large has to say on the issue.
If we wish to find common ground with each other both camps must perform two things;
1 - The critics MUST swallow their pride allow themselves to admit the validity of many of the movements questions whilst not necessarily agreeing the the basic premise of 'inside job'.
2 - The members of our movement, especially its leaders' (and i hold this as far for important than anything the critics must do) ABSOLUTELY MUST publicly and without exception admit to their mistakes and poorly researched arguements. EVERY MEMBER OF THIS FORUM should mark sites like 911myths in their favourites list and refer to it regularly for information so as to truely begin to build a more intelligent arguement for their stance on 911. Their should be no more damn excuses and no more reliance on rubbished and thoroughly debunked arguements, as it is that which is keeping the critics from aggreeing with us.
Just my thoughts i know, but by what i've read here on this forum of late i already know that, like the critics, many people here have some pride issues to deal with first.
We really should just live up to our 'truth' tag and admit that we have made some serious mistakes.
As i say, just my thoughts. |
the bit in bold is a bit uncalled for as these people have done a lot of good in getting the awareness raised. though i certainly accept that laymen on matters of science should not be commenting with certainty on scientific arguments just because it is insinuated elsewhere -now stephen jones and relelvant experts and scholars etc.. are exempt from this classification and good on them for having the courage to speak.
everything else i agree on pretty much.
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| i'm more concerned about the question of 'can truthseekers unite?' so far... not really. get beyond the driving issue and its arguments galore and worse |
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| iro wrote: | | i'm more concerned about the question of 'can truthseekers unite?' so far... not really. get beyond the driving issue and its arguments galore and worse |
I'll be honest, i think there is a real danger of us already being sunk. Yes the truth movement will grow to extraoridanry levels after the release of LC3 but then what? There is talk of an international tribunal on 911 but what effect will it actually have? The ability and drive to persue 911 through the legal system has not yet materialised 5 years on and may never.
I fear that this movement will join those other failed enterprizes born after the political assassinations of the 60's and 70's. They went nowhere, and changed nothing. Yes they increased awareness of the truely horrific nature of our world and its leaders but without subsequent change all it lead to was apathy.
I know i am speaking what are seen as almost forbidden, defeatest words within the truth movement but damn it it is 5 years on and having to watch the leaders of the movement continue to spout debunked rubbish is filling me with fear. Fear that even with something as obvious as 911 our world will continue down the path towards a unified fascist world system.
I know this does seem defeatest but i do still have hope. I have to. There are enough people outside of the 911 truth movement who are willing to fight and die to preserve our rights of self-determination.
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Interesting thread
Defector, when you say
| Quote: | | The members of our movement, especially its leaders' (and i hold this as far for important than anything the critics must do) ABSOLUTELY MUST publicly and without exception admit to their mistakes and poorly researched arguements. |
Are you thinking of the 9/11 truth movement in this country or the US?
If this country who are you thinking of?
I'm familiar with the evolution of the UK 9/11 truth movement and this website/campaign. It is what it describes itself as a loose network of campaigners hopefully united in common cause for a truly independent and credible investigation.
Over the past year we have developed some embryonic structure at the centre and proof of our progress was demonstrated by the Conway Hall event with David Griffin, but for the most part our growth is based on committed individuals doing their own thing, speaking their own truth and getting the word out combined with the overall strength of the 9/11 truth message.
If your point is that the 9/11 truth movement could learn to communicate its message better, better than Loose Change, for example, and could communicate how 9/11 sits in a wider context of age old deception, then you won't find any argument from me.
The solution is to link up with others and put together a better DVD than Loose Change. But then it is easy to criticise. The movement is learning. It is communicating its message better. Loose Change is better than most previous 9/11 videos and the range of DVDs and weblinks to 'google video' available is mushrooming and so campaigners have a growing choice of how to communicate their truth.
Our 'leaders' should be those who inspire others to follow their lead through their words and actions. So if you can communicate 9/11 truth more effectively than others, there is no reason why you shouldn't be one of 'our leaders'. |
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For christs sake DeFecToR, if you've knocked out 560 odd posts in a little over two months, you're spending far too much time at this obsessing at your keyboard and are likely to drive yourself DepResSive and MaD
Get out on the street with a few leaflets or something
The positive response will cheer you no end. There's no indication about where you are. If there's nothing happening near you, think about starting, you'll be amazed at those who come in.
If you don't post elsewhere, then do so.somewhere sympathetic, always make a point of indicating your location and looking for others in the area.
They'll be there. Eventually you will find you are able to organise in the area, and you will start to realise the vibrancy
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| ian neal wrote: | Hi
Interesting thread
Defector, when you say
| Quote: | | The members of our movement, especially its leaders' (and i hold this as far for important than anything the critics must do) ABSOLUTELY MUST publicly and without exception admit to their mistakes and poorly researched arguements. |
Are you thinking of the 9/11 truth movement in this country or the US? |
Hi Ian. Thanks for the response. I'm refering the the movement as a whole. Whether its here, the US, Europe or the Middle-east. It seems everywhere i look i'm seeing the same message.
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I'm familiar with the evolution of the UK 9/11 truth movement and this website/campaign. It is what it describes itself as a loose network of campaigners hopefully united in common cause for a truly independent and credible investigation.
Over the past year we have developed some embryonic structure at the centre and proof of our progress was demonstrated by the Conway Hall event with David Griffin, but for the most part our growth is based on committed individuals doing their own thing, speaking their own truth and getting the word out combined with the overall strength of the 9/11 truth message.
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You've touched on an idea here that i have heard Alan Watt allude to before. The concept that it is through individual research and campaigning that true change can be brought about as opposed to that of of a collective body. Though a 'movement' in theory should through sheer weight of numbers achieve change, it is however much harder to direct given the diversity of opinion within it.
I myself have tried to direct people to information regarding 911 whilst remaining largely within an overall ideology that the majority of people in the 911 truth movement hold. However the predicament i now find myself in is that a large percentage of what the movement itself was based on i now find questionable.
Its almost as if i am now within a no-mans-land between the truthers and the critics. What was once a frantic search to find out as much as possible about 911 turned in to a rock solid certainty about my position on the subject, largely as a result of the growing popularity of the movement. Now however, my certainty has been stripped bare as a result of exposure to the critics of 911 truth.
The truth movement will grow, i know, but how much of this will be down to accurate research as opposed to fevered propegation of incorrect information?
If i rely on my own opinions and research to eductate others how much of that will end up conflicting with the movement?
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If your point is that the 9/11 truth movement could learn to communicate its message better, better than Loose Change, for example, and could communicate how 9/11 sits in a wider context of age old deception, then you won't find any argument from me. |
No, the issues i have do not come from the chosen method communicating the 911 truth message. Its the message itself i worry for. I see absolutely no point in spreading information that would not stand up in court. And while most 911 documentaries are certainly not perfect, there could have been a much more intelligent and thorough poster-boy for the movement than Loose Change. It has raised awareness, yes, but based on what?
I guess my gripe is that i feel fooled by the Alex Jones' and Dylon Avery's. I have no idea how many of their dvds i gave out to people. And guess what; some of those people may well have dismissed the entire concept of an inside job based solely on the inaccurate information presented by those guys.
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The solution is to link up with others and put together a better DVD than Loose Change. But then it is easy to criticise. The movement is learning. It is communicating its message better. Loose Change is better than most previous 9/11 videos and the range of DVDs and weblinks to 'google video' available is mushrooming and so campaigners have a growing choice of how to communicate their truth. |
Absolutely agreed.
We all are still learning. Its the certainty of many peoples position that needs to be challenged. Both on our side and on the critics.
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Our 'leaders' should be those who inspire others to follow their lead through their words and actions. So if you can communicate 9/11 truth more effectively than others, there is no reason why you shouldn't be one of 'our leaders'. |
Good point!
But perhaps its the entire concept of having infallible 'leaders' that are a barrier to a better arguement.
Though like Alex Jones himself says; "Be your own leaders." If only it worked that way though. Perhaps even we still need our shephards?
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| dh wrote: | For christs sake DeFecToR, if you've knocked out 560 odd posts in a little over two months, you're spending far too much time at this obsessing at your keyboard and are likely to drive yourself DepResSive and MaD
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The nature of my employment and lifestyle grant me (maybe too much) time at my keyboard. Though i should really point out, the ONLY damn thing that might drive me truely nuts is allowing the world to continue its course.
BTW, if "obsessing at my keyboard" leads me to a better understanding of 911 then so be it.
As for my post total, who cares? I'm usually carrying out other work on my computer and i refer back to here regularly. So?
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Get out on the street with a few leaflets or something
The positive response will cheer you no end. There's no indication about where you are. If there's nothing happening near you, think about starting, you'll be amazed at those who come in.
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I no longer hand out dvds for the above reasons.
I've been strongly considering starting a truth group for N.I but the recent additional information on 911 i have been introduced to i forcing me to clarify my opinions on the various areas of 911.
After all, what the hell kind of teacher can i be to anyone unless i myself am sure in what i teach?
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If you don't post elsewhere, then do so.somewhere sympathetic, always make a point of indicating your location and looking for others in the area.
They'll be there. Eventually you will find you are able to organise in the area, and you will start to realise the vibrancy |
I'm very much aware of the positive nature of the movement at the moment. Being in London on 911 was a fantastic experience that showed the 'vibrancy' all too well. And while i would certainly like to meet more members over in this Orwellian hellhole, i first must, as i have said, clarify what i believe.
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| DeFecToR wrote: | | ian neal wrote: | Hi
Interesting thread
Defector, when you say
| Quote: | | The members of our movement, especially its leaders' (and i hold this as far for important than anything the critics must do) ABSOLUTELY MUST publicly and without exception admit to their mistakes and poorly researched arguements. |
Are you thinking of the 9/11 truth movement in this country or the US? |
Hi Ian. Thanks for the response. I'm refering the the movement as a whole. Whether its here, the US, Europe or the Middle-east. It seems everywhere i look i'm seeing the same message.
| ian neal wrote: |
I'm familiar with the evolution of the UK 9/11 truth movement and this website/campaign. It is what it describes itself as a loose network of campaigners hopefully united in common cause for a truly independent and credible investigation.
Over the past year we have developed some embryonic structure at the centre and proof of our progress was demonstrated by the Conway Hall event with David Griffin, but for the most part our growth is based on committed individuals doing their own thing, speaking their own truth and getting the word out combined with the overall strength of the 9/11 truth message.
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You've touched on an idea here that i have heard Alan Watt allude to before. The concept that it is through individual research and campaigning that true change can be brought about as opposed to that of of a collective body. Though a 'movement' in theory should through sheer weight of numbers achieve change, it is however much harder to direct given the diversity of opinion within it.
I myself have tried to direct people to information regarding 911 whilst remaining largely within an overall ideology that the majority of people in the 911 truth movement hold. However the predicament i now find myself in is that a large percentage of what the movement itself was based on i now find questionable.
Its almost as if i am now within a no-mans-land between the truthers and the critics. What was once a frantic search to find out as much as possible about 911 turned in to a rock solid certainty about my position on the subject, largely as a result of the growing popularity of the movement. Now however, my certainty has been stripped bare as a result of exposure to the critics of 911 truth.
The truth movement will grow, i know, but how much of this will be down to accurate research as opposed to fevered propegation of incorrect information?
If i rely on my own opinions and research to eductate others how much of that will end up conflicting with the movement?
| ian neal wrote: |
If your point is that the 9/11 truth movement could learn to communicate its message better, better than Loose Change, for example, and could communicate how 9/11 sits in a wider context of age old deception, then you won't find any argument from me. |
No, the issues i have do not come from the chosen method communicating the 911 truth message. Its the message itself i worry for. I see absolutely no point in spreading information that would not stand up in court. And while most 911 documentaries are certainly not perfect, there could have been a much more intelligent and thorough poster-boy for the movement than Loose Change. It has raised awareness, yes, but based on what?
I guess my gripe is that i feel fooled by the Alex Jones' and Dylon Avery's. I have no idea how many of their dvds i gave out to people. And guess what; some of those people may well have dismissed the entire concept of an inside job based solely on the inaccurate information presented by those guys.
| ian neal wrote: |
The solution is to link up with others and put together a better DVD than Loose Change. But then it is easy to criticise. The movement is learning. It is communicating its message better. Loose Change is better than most previous 9/11 videos and the range of DVDs and weblinks to 'google video' available is mushrooming and so campaigners have a growing choice of how to communicate their truth. |
Absolutely agreed.
We all are still learning. Its the certainty of many peoples position that needs to be challenged. Both on our side and on the critics.
| ian neal wrote: |
Our 'leaders' should be those who inspire others to follow their lead through their words and actions. So if you can communicate 9/11 truth more effectively than others, there is no reason why you shouldn't be one of 'our leaders'. |
Good point!
But perhaps its the entire concept of having infallible 'leaders' that are a barrier to a better arguement.
Though like Alex Jones himself says; "Be your own leaders." If only it worked that way though. Perhaps even we still need our shephards? |
Hi DeFecToR,
I think I sorta see where you're coming from, but perhaps you are expecting a bit much too soon?
While as you rightly say Loose Change and Alex Jones aren't the best 'front window' for 911 Truth, you have to acknowledge they have done a hell of a job in getting the whole concept off the ground and into the public arena.
It is an organic process, and that in the case of the LC team they are perfectly willing to do original research in response to criticisms of their initial bedroom PC project, shows that their intent is above board.
Since LC, many better and more informative indy media have become available and with the publishing potential of Youtube and Google Video -each getting record hits for 911 related material - it shows an increasing number of people want to know what the mainstream media aren't telling us about the methods of our own governments.
I must admit, I wish there was an endgame in sight seemingly this close to the start of WW3, but keep on keeping on is the only way.
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Hi DeFecToR,
I think I sorta see where you're coming from, but perhaps you are expecting a bit much too soon?
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Perhaps. I just worry that when the next 'big one' happens the attention of the entire world will have radically shifted and our chance may be lost.
Still, you may be right though.
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While as you rightly say Loose Change and Alex Jones aren't the best 'front window' for 911 Truth, you have to acknowledge they have done a hell of a job in getting the whole concept off the ground and into the public arena. |
I certainly do acknowledge that point. Though i would feel much more confident if i were to hear AJ discuss his errors on air one day.
Yeh i know. That ain't fur hapnin.
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It is an organic process, and that in the case of the LC team they are perfectly willing to do original research in response to criticisms of their initial bedroom PC project, shows that their intent is above board. |
Is this true? I haven't seen anything that would indicate this. Especially given how they closed down their critics section.
This is however the biggest hope i have right now; that they have learned from their mistakes and LC3 will be a wholely different affair.
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Since LC, many better and more informative indy media have become available and with the publishing potential of Youtube and Google Video -each getting record hits for 911 related material - it shows an increasing number of people want to know what the mainstream media aren't telling us about the methods of our own governments. |
Excellent point.
The general public are fed up with the MS media. And yes, this is one reason for the increase in popularity of alternative 911 theories. There is a void to be filled. We just need to tread carefully on what we fill it with.
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I must admit, I wish there was an endgame in sight seemingly this close to the start of WW3, but keep on keeping on is the only way.
Well, and a general strike everywhere the minute the first nuke gets dropped. |
Yes. Perhaps 911 doesnt even matter in the end. Perhaps true change in the world we have now is an impossibility. Maybe 911 has simply layed the conscious foundation for a true resistance that will form when ALL and ANY semblance of 'just' government has been blown away.
Maybe it will take that One Big War to shake us all out of our lethargy.
I hope not, but then what choice will we have?
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