Jon Ronson on CNN.

[AntiZionistAntiNeocon]

What happened to the passengers of flight 77?

I think that in Operation Northwoods, the plan was to remove the passengers (who were military men), swap the jets, and have fake funerals. Read the document.

Then look at this:

http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/passengers.html

And tell me that there is not something suspicious about the passengers on flight 77.....



Read this too: http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/theories.html#1
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[mason-free party]

[Snowygrouch]

KBO,
ISID are the middlemen through whom the CIA have been creating and using terrorists since the late 70s.
FBI traced bank transfers to Mohammed Atta back to ISID operatives.
ISID cheif was in washington for several days including meeting Mr George Tenet.
The ISID have connections right to the top of al qaeda, Daniel Pearl (US journalist) was murdered by the ISID in 2002 when he flew to Pakistan to investiate ISI/Al Qaeda links.
I have investigated all of this in mainstream papers going back years.
It appears to me that the CIA used the ISID to manufacture some handy patsies to use as the 9.11 suspects.
Possibly other intelligence agencies were also involved but the ISID are the only ones with real credible proven links.

[kbo234]

[AntiZionistAntiNeocon]

Well, you always have to look at who benefits. Qui Bono?

Definately, it doesn't seem like Pakistan benefitted. As recently revealed, they were threatened to be "bombed back into the stone age" if they didn't cooperate with the US after 9/11. So how could 9/11 be of any benefit to them?

I think that this talk of one of the hijackers being connected to the ISI is doubtful, and it could even be deliberate disinformation to divert attention away from the real culprits. What would the ISI have to gain by attacking America? The Taliban in Afghanistan was a more friendly state, now the current government there are not so friendly to them, but they are friendly to America.

So how would Pakistan benefit at all?

On the other hand, 9/11 really did, just looking superficially, benefit the Israeli government.

Also, remember the dancing Israelis, taking pictures:
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html [/url]

Now 9/11 has been used as a justification to fight the enemies of the Israeli government, such as Iraq, and now the knives are out for Iran too.

Also remember, the Israeli company who broke their lease agreement in the WTC and moved out a little while before the attacks.

Also remember the messeges warning Israelis of the attacks in Odigo instant messaging software, and Odigo is an Israeli company, AFAIK.

Since the attacks, look how much villification there has been of Muslims, and Pakistan. And look how much sympathy there has been generated for the Israeli government.

So again, Qui Bono, who benefits?

Follwoing the evidence, at the very least, you would have to say that certain persons within the Israeli government or the Israeli security services were aware of the attacks and did not prevent them. At worst, you could suggest that they were complicit in the attacks.

PS: CURRENT DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC IS HERE: http://911blogger.com/node/3099

Jon Ronson, I really think you should go to that link and readthe responses to the people who made accusatons of anti-semitism. Sometimes you have to stand up for the truth, whether it is for you or against you. To cry anti-semitism seems an easy way to end the discussion. We have to look at the truth and the facts, no matter how uncomfortable.
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[mason-free party]

so antizionistantineocon....are you saying basically that the Israe'lies' were involved in 911

[AntiZionistAntiNeocon]

Anti-Mason, the truth is that I don't know even a fraction of the reality of what happened and who did it. There are so many pieces to this puzzle.

Only God knows the complete reality. What I can say is that the people who did this, whoever they are, will be bought to justice. If not in this life, then definately in the next.

EDIT -- NOTE, I AM NOT ACCUSING ANYONE MENTIONED IN MY PREVIOUS POST OF BEING COMPLICIT IN THE ATTACKS. The reality is that I don't know who was involved. So I don't want to accuse anyone falsely.

Also, about the post below this one --- I don't think why the CIA would want to use the ISI to hire some patsies. They are perfectly capable of hiring patsies themselves, are they not? Also remember that it has been suggested that some of the 'hijackers' lived on US air bases. (Do a google search). Also how many of the alledged 'hijackers' were Pakistani, or even had visited Pakistan? So how could the ISI be involved, and why would they be involved? I don't buy it.

If the CIA really did use the ISI to hire patsies, then maybe one possible reason why they would want to get the ISI involved in this scheme is to 'set them up' later to take the fall if things get found out. I.e. you can blame it on the Pakistanis.

God sees, and God knows.
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[Snowygrouch]

All,
This has nothing to do with Pakistan benifiting.
That was not my point.

Pakistani intelligence has VERY little to do with the wellbeing of Pakistan!!

The ISID are effecitively an arm of the CIA whom the CIA USE as agents to access Al quaeda.

The ISID were not likely to be acting independently here. They get alot of their finding and support from the US and have done for decades.

The ISID were simply the METHOD for the CIA to access and manipulate terror groups to do their bidding.

If you want to know the whole background to this I suggest you read:

"The war on truth" Ahmed
"Against all enemies" R.A.Clarke

I have put together a 130 odd page booklet on the ISID and will make it available for upload in the next week or so.

[RespectfullyMyPointIs]

Just thought I'd add the following thoughts.

Its such a shame when the debate stalls because posters skirt offense by confidently suggesting that Zionists or another single group with an obvious agenda staged 911 77 etc.

There was much more to be gained by keeping Ronson posting than not.

I think it is perhaps more useful to focus on the not so obvious radicals
whose agendas have more in common than at first seem possible.

My own research led me to try this theory.
I apologise if it covers ground already visited.

There probably are covert groups of people that desire some form of new
world order, or one world government. Or perhaps they seek a covert global control, perhaps they achieve this through covert control of opposing political parties through a network of secret societies ....whatever...to pull that off you need a lot of control to get a single cabals operation stable.

My own thought with all these groups is that they have one overriding common factor, it was an appreciation that in the not too distant future its a given fact the mighty Islam would prevail.
The reason is Oil. The CIAs website gives facts for Oil production and Oil Consumption for various countries, it is a gift in black and white for the economics of invasion. The White House website has pre911, thats pre911 speeches by Cheney that implicitly state an agenda for involvement in the middleeast to secure oil supplies.

As is also obvious,most Islamic countries have a very different political/social structure, one which appears to be little permiated by western societies like freemasons etc , as such the wests abilty to build influential links and have influence is restricted. As a result they've previously indulged in perilous relationships/friendships with the Bin Ladens and Hussains of the middle east. These people they tried to control and who went off the path because they there was no control.

THOUGH there's a lot to suggest 911 and 77 may be false flag operations , suggesting at this stage it was one group who pulled it eg Zionists or a Masonic derivative, doesn't get us closer to the truth. We need guys like Ronson (shill or not) engaged. Just keep them talking till you can knock holes in their argument in a public forum like national news or keep 'em talking till you get 'em on side.

I would pull Ronson, his fall back question is this...
"what happened to the passengers on the plane that went into the Pentagon?"
Its not important.... because we just don't know....all that remains to be researched and we're trying. Don't give him conjecture about false funerals,that makes us look like Hollywood heroes...never answer a question we don't yet have provable facts to answer it with.
What we certainly do know from official photographs and 5 frames of film is that
.....we definitely don't know that it was a plane that hit the Pentagon...
we were told it was a plane.... but on the evidence we have we really can't be sure it was because there is precious little to back the official case that it was a plane....meanwhile we'll look for the passengers but our strongest point is "JON...WHERE IS THE PLANE?... we are looking for the passengers but you show us the plane".

I think arguing the case at this stage for a global controlling elite is preemptive so lets not alienate anyone including Ronson with that just yet.

I think approaching an inside job theory for 911 as if it was a hideously chaotic number of smaller linked groups is better.
Each one had their own scam, all working to their own agenda but having one thing in common.
The one common thread any of the controllers of the scam had was a rational tangible fear of a religion/ideaology/way of life they disliked and didn't understand. One that would end up by DEFAULT (not design) the controlling force of our economy and the global economy.
As a result this would dictate Governmental policy decisions globally and ultimately dictate our lives.

An example of small agendas combining could be thus;-
Agenda 1
WTC1 and 2 have limited life,
Due to asbestos, height, inconvenience to surrounding area and public outcry they are exceptionally difficult and expensive to demolish.
The Owners can only collect a return on the investment by an insurance claim.
Agenda 2
Cheney knows the US has its Gastank meter in the red. As with Gulf of Tonkin (Vietnam War) President requires tangible incident to mobilise nation , but we are "absent (a) Pearl Harbor" (page 63 PNAC Rebuilding Americas Defenses etc)

The towers coming down conveniently met the needs of those two agendas (and as an aside it also landed a nice right hook for the one agenda both parties lost no sleep defaming ..... Islam)

Looking at the situation growing like this, might get us closer to the truth and the conclusion...thats even if the conclusion turns out to be some Zionist/ Masonic/ Illumanati Cabal that was close to the eye of the hurricane.
To make an analogy, Ants make an ant hill but no single ant could tell you that was the plan or that it is controlled. Once you've seen a six foot Ant hill you certainly know ants work to a common purpose.

BUt Lets face it I wouldn't want to live under strict Islamic society rules, its just that morally I'd see my wife wear a burka before I'd order my own planes into fly into my own countrymen to make sure I didn't yeild to Islamic control. (No offense intended to Moslems reading this, its a lifestyle choice in UK and its just not my lifestyle) .

The power guys that planned this (if they did) already saw an economic war coming on a huge scale. The responsibility was in their hands with their prejudices and egos and they were military men who knew of collateral damage and made such decisions. If they did this I believe it was morally wrong...and we need to know.

To get to the truth we need a debate of facts not conjecture, of tolerance not prejudice.

We need guys like Ronson we need Zionists and Masons, we need Arabs and we need fundamentalists all in the discussion cause very few of us know the real facts even those that worked on this scam don't know them all.We must keep everyone talking till the point where there are so many facts people perjur themselves or they come and join the side that says we will ask the questions and we will search for the answers.

In the words of George W. Bush
YOUR WITH US OR YOUR WITH THE TERRORISTS

I'm staring at my goat till you come back Jon!!

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[John White]

Cracking first post though

Welcome "RespectfullyMyPointIs"

[ian neal]

[Snowygrouch]

Here it is again.

[kbo234]

[brian]

Did Jon Ronson ever contact Andrew Johnson as he said he would?

I just read a book of his - Them -.

kbo234 summed it up rather well -

"JR specialises in exposing people with serious and extreme views as daft and rather feeble-minded by co-opting them into his shaggy dog stories in friendly and bumbling manner."

[Zlocke]

I couldn't agree more Brian.
He comes across as a "Nice Guy", but is he the type of person the public as a whole will be able to take seriously on serious, serious issues?

[Roger the Horse]

So looks like John Ronson is not posting anymore. A pity. Although I disagreed with his conclusions I thoroughly enjoyed 'Them' and my mother said 'Goats' was good. Even though he may not be posting I'm sure he'll have the odd sneaky glance at this site when he's bored etc so I've got a question I'd like to put to him.

Jon, if you did a six part made for TV investigation into the events of 911, presented the evidence from both sides of the debate over those 6 weeks, and came to the conclusion that actually 911 must have been an inside job do you believe the BBC/ Channel 4 etc would actually show it?

[RespectfullyMyPointIs]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.ht ml

this is a fantastic post, you would have to be very thorough to knock it down.

I thought the evidence pointed to the fact there wasn't a plane but this guy
has a very strong argument to the contrary...and he's really put thehours in....what do you think??

[DeFecToR]

[karlos]

Jon Ronson is not as the name suggests Jewish. He is in fact a self confessed Atheist.
So it is in fact his rabid zionism which is the problem but it is also the reason why the BBC and the Guardian employs him.

[John White]

Stelios, bumping this after 11 months is an odd thing to chose to do